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    ***The MVC Conference Tournament Preview Thread***

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 7:03 PM ET #1

    Let's get the MVC pre-conference thread started with an over view of the conference tournament.
     

    MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE
    At Scottrade Center
    St. Louis, Mo.
    FIRST ROUND
    Thursday, March 6

    Game 1: No. 8 Indiana State vs. No. 9 Wichita State (7 p.m.)
    Game 2: No. 7 Missouri State vs. No. 10 Evansville (9:30 p.m.)
    QUARTERFINALS
    Friday, March 7

    Game 3: No. 1 Drake vs. Game 1 winner (1 p.m.)
    Game 4: No. 4 Creighton vs. No. 5 Bradley (3:30 p.m.)
    Game 5: No. 2 Illinois State vs. Game 2 winner (7 p.m.)
    Game 6: No. 3 Southern Illinois vs. No. 6 UNI (9:30 p.m.)
    SEMIFINALS
    Saturday, March 8
    Game 7: Game 3 winner vs. Game 4 winner (2:30 p.m.)
    Game 8: Game 5 winner vs. Game 6 winner (5 p.m.)
    CHAMPIONSHIP
    Sunday, March 9
    Game 9: Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner (CBS, 2 p.m.)

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    MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE
    At Scottrade Center
    St. Louis, Mo.
    FIRST ROUND
    Thursday, March 6

    Game 1: No. 8 Indiana State vs. No. 9 Wichita State (7 p.m.)
    Game 2: No. 7 Missouri State vs. No. 10 Evansville (9:30 p.m.)
    QUARTERFINALS
    Friday, March 7

    Game 3: No. 1 Drake vs. Game 1 winner (1 p.m.)
    Game 4: No. 4 Creighton vs. No. 5 Bradley (3:30 p.m.)
    Game 5: No. 2 Illinois State vs. Game 2 winner (7 p.m.)
    Game 6: No. 3 Southern Illinois vs. No. 6 UNI (9:30 p.m.)
    SEMIFINALS
    Saturday, March 8
    Game 7: Game 3 winner vs. Game 4 winner (2:30 p.m.)
    Game 8: Game 5 winner vs. Game 6 winner (5 p.m.)
    CHAMPIONSHIP
    Sunday, March 9
    Game 9: Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner (CBS, 2 p.m.)

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 7:10 PM ET #2

    I really like Southern Illinois to make a run in this tournament.  They are starting to play better ball of late, and I think they can knock off Illinois State in the semifinals.
     
    Once you get to the finals, who knows what might happen.  I like the Salukis to make a run for the tournament here.
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    I really like Southern Illinois to make a run in this tournament.  They are starting to play better ball of late, and I think they can knock off Illinois State in the semifinals.
     
    Once you get to the finals, who knows what might happen.  I like the Salukis to make a run for the tournament here.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 7:11 PM ET #3

    Braska, Shocker 1, Mnbbl...the stage is yours.
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 7:30 PM ET #4

    was really hoping Bradley had a full deck of cards here
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 9:18 PM ET #5

    As an IL St Alum, I have been a MVC follower/fan for years and I will do my best not to be homer in my evaluation.
     
    It would appear that Drake should be able to walk to a championship like they have done most of the year, But, keep it mind that last time the regular season champ won the tourney was Il State in 1998. So that we not be likely and it would be good for the MVC if some one other than Drake wins so a 2nd team can make the nCAA.
     
    We will start in the top half of bracket where I see Drake winning 1st game over play in winner and another epic battle between Creighton and Bradley. Feel Bradley will win IF RUFFIN PLAYS. He did play in final at Creighton on Saturday.  IMO I see the Creighton/Bradley winner beating Drake in the the Semis. Both teams were in the games vs. Drake w/ Bradley winning at Drake on a late shot and Drake winning at Bradley late in game. Creighton played Drake Tough and lost both games in final 5-7 minutes of game.
     
    In bottom half of Bracket you have an ISU team playing well of late, just beat SIU on road where SIU had a 65-2 record vs. the MVC in past 8 seasons. In addition, they might get senior Guard Dom Johnson back. They also have potential MVC player of year or very least runner up in Osiris Eldridge that can carry a team when hot. Then you have the inconsistent SIU team that is still dangerous playing only 2 hours from home and veteran team capable of making a run.  IMO the ISU/SIU rematch will be a close game with SIU veteran leadership pulling it out in the end. I HONESTLY HOPE I AM WRONG for my Redbirds sake, But the may be a year away from really believing they can win the conference. I could be wrong, just like I was on Saturday when they won at SIU.
     
    SIU vs. Creighton or Bradley(IF RUFFIN) AND I SEE Creighton or Bradly winning the championship.
     
    Hope this helps and I hope it comes true(except for SIU over ISU) since I will be attending all games.
     
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    As an IL St Alum, I have been a MVC follower/fan for years and I will do my best not to be homer in my evaluation.
     
    It would appear that Drake should be able to walk to a championship like they have done most of the year, But, keep it mind that last time the regular season champ won the tourney was Il State in 1998. So that we not be likely and it would be good for the MVC if some one other than Drake wins so a 2nd team can make the nCAA.
     
    We will start in the top half of bracket where I see Drake winning 1st game over play in winner and another epic battle between Creighton and Bradley. Feel Bradley will win IF RUFFIN PLAYS. He did play in final at Creighton on Saturday.  IMO I see the Creighton/Bradley winner beating Drake in the the Semis. Both teams were in the games vs. Drake w/ Bradley winning at Drake on a late shot and Drake winning at Bradley late in game. Creighton played Drake Tough and lost both games in final 5-7 minutes of game.
     
    In bottom half of Bracket you have an ISU team playing well of late, just beat SIU on road where SIU had a 65-2 record vs. the MVC in past 8 seasons. In addition, they might get senior Guard Dom Johnson back. They also have potential MVC player of year or very least runner up in Osiris Eldridge that can carry a team when hot. Then you have the inconsistent SIU team that is still dangerous playing only 2 hours from home and veteran team capable of making a run.  IMO the ISU/SIU rematch will be a close game with SIU veteran leadership pulling it out in the end. I HONESTLY HOPE I AM WRONG for my Redbirds sake, But the may be a year away from really believing they can win the conference. I could be wrong, just like I was on Saturday when they won at SIU.
     
    SIU vs. Creighton or Bradley(IF RUFFIN) AND I SEE Creighton or Bradly winning the championship.
     
    Hope this helps and I hope it comes true(except for SIU over ISU) since I will be attending all games.
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 9:25 PM ET #6

    this conference will get 2 teams in even if drake wins.  i think the crieghton bradley winner has a great chance to win this tourney. i think either creighton bradley or southern illinois will win this and get in instead along with drake and leave illinois st out in the cold.  however if it is drake vs illinois st in the final hard to see illinois st being left out.  what if illinois st loses to creighton in the final at the buzzer or something really close? could this conference even get 3 teams in with all the big conference bubble teams blowing chance after chance?
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    this conference will get 2 teams in even if drake wins.  i think the crieghton bradley winner has a great chance to win this tourney. i think either creighton bradley or southern illinois will win this and get in instead along with drake and leave illinois st out in the cold.  however if it is drake vs illinois st in the final hard to see illinois st being left out.  what if illinois st loses to creighton in the final at the buzzer or something really close? could this conference even get 3 teams in with all the big conference bubble teams blowing chance after chance?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 9:28 PM ET #7

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 9:38 PM ET #8

    As far as betting, there has been a trend of the last few tournaments where the 1st half under and 2nd half over in most of the games was hitting. Keep in eye on that trend to potentially fill your pockets.  I remember getting on the phone during every halftime to double up on my 1st half winner sduring the whole QTR final round.
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    As far as betting, there has been a trend of the last few tournaments where the 1st half under and 2nd half over in most of the games was hitting. Keep in eye on that trend to potentially fill your pockets.  I remember getting on the phone during every halftime to double up on my 1st half winner sduring the whole QTR final round.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2008 - 8:43 AM ET #9

    need some picks
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    I am anxious to see the line for Evansville/Missouri State ... Think the Purple Aces will cover and win outright ..
     
    Missouri State recently waxed Evansville 76-38 on their home court, so no doubt Evansville will be up for this one ..
     
    Missouri State is 1-14 SU and 2-12 ATS in road/nuetral games this year
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    I am anxious to see the line for Evansville/Missouri State ... Think the Purple Aces will cover and win outright ..
     
    Missouri State recently waxed Evansville 76-38 on their home court, so no doubt Evansville will be up for this one ..
     
    Missouri State is 1-14 SU and 2-12 ATS in road/nuetral games this year
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2008 - 11:56 AM ET #11

    SIU might just win this tourney
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2008 - 11:59 AM ET #12

    i like  MVC teams  i like  So. ill , Bradley and Drake
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    i like  MVC teams  i like  So. ill , Bradley and Drake
     
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    Okay, my account is working a little better even though my posting total is all but eliminated. Let's preview the MVC and the conference I watch the most.

    Let's start with history. I'm with EddyMush when he says that he likes Bradley if Ruffin plays. Well, Ruffin is cleared to play until his domestic case is resolved (i.e., he is playing the rest of the season). However, Creighton has won the Valley tourney 6 times since 1999. No other team has won more than once. Do you really want to bet against Creighton is this tourney? Me neither.

    On to the play-in games on Thursday. Since 2000, in the 8 seed versus 9 seed game, the 9 seed is 6-2. The Thursday match-up is #9 Wichita State versus #8 Indiana State. I really like Wichita State here. They have played really well since the return on PG Matt Brauer, and Gregg Marshall won 8 of his last 9 conference tourneys during his tenure at Winthrop. I expect this line to be around PK to WSU by 3 and will likely roll WSU. Indiana State is also arguably the worst team in the conference away from home.

    In the 10/7 match-up, the #10 seed is actually 4-3 in this game since 2000. But there have rarely been teams as good as Missouri State in the 7 spot. Missouri State has won 3 in a row, is finally a little healthy for the first time since November, and will have some swagger with coach Barry Hinson likely out after the season. I see this spread as being MSU by about 8 and think they kill Evansville tomorrow.

    Quarterfinal Games on Friday:

    Creighton/Bradley: As I said earlier, I have a feeling that Bradley comes back to win after their epic game last Saturday in which Creighton won 111-110 in 2OT's. However, given Creighton's tourney history, I will stay far, far away from this game. I can see this spread being a PK to Creighton by 2. No play.

    Northern Iowa/Southern Illinois: Talk about two teams that are completely schizophrenic. But Southern is playing better ball than Northern Iowa, and unless UNI shoots lights out, this is Southern's game to lose. I am hoping for something under 5 points with the spread. If it is, I'll play Southern. They have made the semifinals of this tournament for 6 straight years.

    Drake/WSU-Indiana State winner: If WSU wins, I really like the way they match up with Drake. They had only 8 scholarship players on Saturday AT Drake and were in the game until the end when Drake pulled away on fouls and won by 10. I think Drake wins this game, but if the spread is 8 or more in favor of Drake, I'm taking WSU. If it is under 4, I would lean Drake. Anything in between is a stay away. If the game matches Drake against Indiana State, I would play Drake all the way up to 14 points. 

    Illinois St./Missouri State-Evansville winner: This game is really interesting. I think Missouri State has a shot here to win outright if they can survive the first round against Evansville. Again, Missouri State will be playing with nothing to lose all tourney long and no expectations or pressure, so they are dangerous. If it is MSU, I would expect the spread to be 6 or 7 in favor of Ill. St., and I'll roll MSU here. If it is Evansville I'll play Illinois State up to a fairly high number.

    A look ahead:

    I expect a Creighton-Drake and Missouri State-Southern Illinois matchup. Bradley can win the tourney outright, however, and Illinois State is good enough to win the entire thing as well. Hell, given Gregg Marshall's record with Winthrop in conference tourneys, who is to say they can't make noise. 

    I can honestly see about 7 different teams playing in the semifinal games just like any other conference tourney. I'll come back to this thread on Friday night once the quarterfinals are completed. In the meantime, best of luck with the Thursday and Friday games. I hope this information is somewhat helpful. I'm about 67% on Valley games this year, although I had a bad Saturday so take it with a grain of salt.
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    Okay, my account is working a little better even though my posting total is all but eliminated. Let's preview the MVC and the conference I watch the most.

    Let's start with history. I'm with EddyMush when he says that he likes Bradley if Ruffin plays. Well, Ruffin is cleared to play until his domestic case is resolved (i.e., he is playing the rest of the season). However, Creighton has won the Valley tourney 6 times since 1999. No other team has won more than once. Do you really want to bet against Creighton is this tourney? Me neither.

    On to the play-in games on Thursday. Since 2000, in the 8 seed versus 9 seed game, the 9 seed is 6-2. The Thursday match-up is #9 Wichita State versus #8 Indiana State. I really like Wichita State here. They have played really well since the return on PG Matt Brauer, and Gregg Marshall won 8 of his last 9 conference tourneys during his tenure at Winthrop. I expect this line to be around PK to WSU by 3 and will likely roll WSU. Indiana State is also arguably the worst team in the conference away from home.

    In the 10/7 match-up, the #10 seed is actually 4-3 in this game since 2000. But there have rarely been teams as good as Missouri State in the 7 spot. Missouri State has won 3 in a row, is finally a little healthy for the first time since November, and will have some swagger with coach Barry Hinson likely out after the season. I see this spread as being MSU by about 8 and think they kill Evansville tomorrow.

    Quarterfinal Games on Friday:

    Creighton/Bradley: As I said earlier, I have a feeling that Bradley comes back to win after their epic game last Saturday in which Creighton won 111-110 in 2OT's. However, given Creighton's tourney history, I will stay far, far away from this game. I can see this spread being a PK to Creighton by 2. No play.

    Northern Iowa/Southern Illinois: Talk about two teams that are completely schizophrenic. But Southern is playing better ball than Northern Iowa, and unless UNI shoots lights out, this is Southern's game to lose. I am hoping for something under 5 points with the spread. If it is, I'll play Southern. They have made the semifinals of this tournament for 6 straight years.

    Drake/WSU-Indiana State winner: If WSU wins, I really like the way they match up with Drake. They had only 8 scholarship players on Saturday AT Drake and were in the game until the end when Drake pulled away on fouls and won by 10. I think Drake wins this game, but if the spread is 8 or more in favor of Drake, I'm taking WSU. If it is under 4, I would lean Drake. Anything in between is a stay away. If the game matches Drake against Indiana State, I would play Drake all the way up to 14 points. 

    Illinois St./Missouri State-Evansville winner: This game is really interesting. I think Missouri State has a shot here to win outright if they can survive the first round against Evansville. Again, Missouri State will be playing with nothing to lose all tourney long and no expectations or pressure, so they are dangerous. If it is MSU, I would expect the spread to be 6 or 7 in favor of Ill. St., and I'll roll MSU here. If it is Evansville I'll play Illinois State up to a fairly high number.

    A look ahead:

    I expect a Creighton-Drake and Missouri State-Southern Illinois matchup. Bradley can win the tourney outright, however, and Illinois State is good enough to win the entire thing as well. Hell, given Gregg Marshall's record with Winthrop in conference tourneys, who is to say they can't make noise. 

    I can honestly see about 7 different teams playing in the semifinal games just like any other conference tourney. I'll come back to this thread on Friday night once the quarterfinals are completed. In the meantime, best of luck with the Thursday and Friday games. I hope this information is somewhat helpful. I'm about 67% on Valley games this year, although I had a bad Saturday so take it with a grain of salt.
     
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    Thursday lines are out. 

    Indiana State -1.5  Wichita State.

    Missouri State -10  Evansville.

    I'm leaning Wichita State and Missouri State. I was hoping for something closer to 8 for Missouri State but I'll take my chances with a Missouri State team playing well.
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    Thursday lines are out. 

    Indiana State -1.5  Wichita State.

    Missouri State -10  Evansville.

    I'm leaning Wichita State and Missouri State. I was hoping for something closer to 8 for Missouri State but I'll take my chances with a Missouri State team playing well.
     
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    I took Bradley and SIU each, at +500 to win the MVC tourney.  I really think SIU wins it, they've got a lot of experience on that team and defensively they can still play with anybody.  Those two factors, defense and experience usually weigh heavily in the postseason.
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    I took Bradley and SIU each, at +500 to win the MVC tourney.  I really think SIU wins it, they've got a lot of experience on that team and defensively they can still play with anybody.  Those two factors, defense and experience usually weigh heavily in the postseason.
     
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    On neutral courts, talent is the key. SIU, Ind St, and MSU do not get their dominating home courts. If we disregard home/road tendancies and go on talent alone I like Bradley and Illy State.
     
    SIU will, most likely if the past holds true, have the most fans at the tournament though.
     
    Drake is far too 1-dimensional for me. Their offense is difficult to watch. Work the perimeter, struggle to go down low, fire up 3, goes in. How long can that last?
     
    Sleeper pick for the tourney: Missouri State. Finally healthy at the right time and playing great ball. Also, with the Hinson firing they will want to win for their coach.
     
    My pick for the tourney: Bradley
     
     
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    On neutral courts, talent is the key. SIU, Ind St, and MSU do not get their dominating home courts. If we disregard home/road tendancies and go on talent alone I like Bradley and Illy State.
     
    SIU will, most likely if the past holds true, have the most fans at the tournament though.
     
    Drake is far too 1-dimensional for me. Their offense is difficult to watch. Work the perimeter, struggle to go down low, fire up 3, goes in. How long can that last?
     
    Sleeper pick for the tourney: Missouri State. Finally healthy at the right time and playing great ball. Also, with the Hinson firing they will want to win for their coach.
     
    My pick for the tourney: Bradley
     
     
     
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    Oh, and I'll be at every single game. At the media table. Cant beat that !
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    Oh, and I'll be at every single game. At the media table. Cant beat that !
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2008 - 5:03 PM ET #19

    Bradley is not a bad pick at all. I think their schedule with Creighton and Drake in the first two rounds will be tough. But with Ruffin and Crouch, they can and will score points.
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    Bradley is not a bad pick at all. I think their schedule with Creighton and Drake in the first two rounds will be tough. But with Ruffin and Crouch, they can and will score points.
     
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    Today's plays from our MVC experts?
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    Today's plays from our MVC experts?
     
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    Cant find lines anywhere. Regardless. Give me Bradley ML, Mo State to cover whatever the line is. I see them winning. You read that correctly. I was dead on with my blowout prediction for them last night. They are very hot right now.
     
    SIU to win, but if line is more than 7 I'd be careful. Drake to win, but nothing more than 5 pts.
     
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    Drake 65 Ind State 63
    SIU 59 UNI 51
    Bradley 82 Creighton 70
    Mo State 73 Illinois State 72
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    Cant find lines anywhere. Regardless. Give me Bradley ML, Mo State to cover whatever the line is. I see them winning. You read that correctly. I was dead on with my blowout prediction for them last night. They are very hot right now.
     
    SIU to win, but if line is more than 7 I'd be careful. Drake to win, but nothing more than 5 pts.
     
    Score predictions for fun:
     
    Drake 65 Ind State 63
    SIU 59 UNI 51
    Bradley 82 Creighton 70
    Mo State 73 Illinois State 72
     
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    Waiting very impatiently for the number on this first game ( ISU vs. Drake ) I'm aware the Sycamores played last night, but I'm anticipating a huge number here, like in the vicinity of ( -15 )
    Drake was an ATS darling during the regular season but towards the end they started dealing with inflated lines. The fact that ISU played last night leads me to believe that trend will continue here. Now throw in the fact that the Bulldogs have already covered the number twice vs. the Sycamores this season and we could see a number way out of whack in this one, opening up a value oppurtunity that is very rare during conference tourney time.
    Anything north of 15 and I'm all over Indiana St..........we'll see.
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    Waiting very impatiently for the number on this first game ( ISU vs. Drake ) I'm aware the Sycamores played last night, but I'm anticipating a huge number here, like in the vicinity of ( -15 )
    Drake was an ATS darling during the regular season but towards the end they started dealing with inflated lines. The fact that ISU played last night leads me to believe that trend will continue here. Now throw in the fact that the Bulldogs have already covered the number twice vs. the Sycamores this season and we could see a number way out of whack in this one, opening up a value oppurtunity that is very rare during conference tourney time.
    Anything north of 15 and I'm all over Indiana St..........we'll see.
     
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    I see 9.5 at bookmaker.......are you fucking kidding me? What a joke!!!
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    Hi Pinnacle. I made the line 9. There is no way on a neutral court this Drake-ISU matchup could be 15. When they played at Drake in January, the line was 9.5. When they played at ISU in February, it was a tight game and the line was Drake 3. Making the line 9.5 on a neutral court is technically 4 points higher than the line when they played at Drake if you give Drake 4 points for the home court.  Good luck.

    I WILL MAKE ONE PREDICTION ABOUT THE MVC TOURNIE:

    DRAKE WILL NOT WIN!!!!

    THEY HAVE TOO THIN OF A ROTATION TO WIN THREE GAMES IN THREE DAYS! PLEASE REMEMBER THIS ON SUNDAY IF THEY MAKE THE FINALS.
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    Hi Pinnacle. I made the line 9. There is no way on a neutral court this Drake-ISU matchup could be 15. When they played at Drake in January, the line was 9.5. When they played at ISU in February, it was a tight game and the line was Drake 3. Making the line 9.5 on a neutral court is technically 4 points higher than the line when they played at Drake if you give Drake 4 points for the home court.  Good luck.

    I WILL MAKE ONE PREDICTION ABOUT THE MVC TOURNIE:

    DRAKE WILL NOT WIN!!!!

    THEY HAVE TOO THIN OF A ROTATION TO WIN THREE GAMES IN THREE DAYS! PLEASE REMEMBER THIS ON SUNDAY IF THEY MAKE THE FINALS.
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