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    Sat 2/12/11 - Baylor @ Texas - WHAT U NEED TO KNOW

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    TexasD
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 7:03 AM ET #1

    It's hard not to believe Texas will cover at home against Baylor. 

    I will admit that -11.5 is a great line for a team that I have thoroughly eye-tested and highly believe in going to the Final Four, regardless of playing home or away.  A Texas team that can go 15-4 ATS and win by double-digits in ALL of their last 9 conference games this year.  Texas is a money-making machine ATS.

    Plain English: THEY EXCEED EXPECTATIONS

    The almighty Vegas can't tell them who they are, they show who they are.

    Ok, Ok, Ok,...You want facts, stats, and good info that makes you feel good.  Here we go:

    There are five games that can be compared to see what it would be like if Texas played Baylor.  I say if, obviously, because they haven't played them yet.

    #1 Both teams played Texas A&M away on THEIR court.  Texas won by 20 points while Baylor needed OverTime to beat them by 2 points.  With the common-denominator of A&M, Texas beats Baylor by 18 points on a nuetral court.

    #2 Both teams played Texas Tech away on THEIR court.  Texas won by 31, Baylor by 12.  Texas beats Baylor by 19 on a nuetral court.  (You may be catching on to my calculations here, figure out your own numbers for the last three)

    #3 gets a little tricky with Oklahoma.  Both played Oklahoma at home.  Texas won by 20, Baylor by 13.

    Baylor ALSO played them a second time this year, away on their court, LOSING by 7.

    #4 is probably their closest comparison: Oklahoma St.  Baylor played them at home and won by 19.  Texas played away on their court and won by 15. 

    #5 gives Texas a superb advantage of comparison; Kansas.  Texas played AWAY @ Kansas and won by 11 points while Baylor played @ HOME and lost by 20 points.

    Do some of your own math and come up with a number for Texas to win by.

    THEY PLAYED ALL 5 OF THESE TEAMS IN EXACTLY THE SAME ORDER:  Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, Oklahoma St, and then Texas A&M

    If a team was weak, Texas won by more, if a team was strong, they won by the lesser of the double digits.

    Example: The weak Texas Tech,.. beat them by 31 on their court.  The strong Kansas Jayhawks on their court, beat them by only 11.

    Baylorhas  some great athleticism and possibly an athletic enough tall guy, big enough to be picked early in the NBA draft. a 6'10" freshman Perry Jones is efficient down low.

    If they aren't pushing the ball down low to Jones, they'll look to sneak the ball into Quincy Acy, a 6'7" junior who also can work his way in for high percentage shots.

    I will admit that Baylor has a better 2-pt shooting %  becuz of those 2 front-courters.  But Baylor WILL have a tough time trying to get it to them through a SOLID Texas D.

    Their leading scorer, Dunn, can shoot extremely well behind the 3-pt line, but he won't be shooting as well against the #1 defense in the nation.  He works hard to draw fouls and put his 82.4% FT shooting on the board.

    HAVE YOU MET THE TEXASD YET?!?!?!

    You are going to want to if you haven't already.  This D has proven hard as hell to crack open for points, for ANY team thus far.

    Texas holds teams to 28.1% shooting from 3-pt land and only 39% inside that line for 2-ptrs.  That is UNBELIEVABLE!  Unless you've met the TexasD already of course.

    Baylor is quite the opposite on defense Giving up a 34.8% 3-pt % and 44.6% from 2.  By no means are those bad numbers, they are quite average in the NCAA.  Their 2P% IS better than the average NCAA Div 1 team, but NOT comparable to the TexasD.

    Effective FG% (look it up if you don't know what EFFECTIVE FG% is)

    Texas holds to UNDER 40%....Baylor holds to 47.5%.

    Don't like shooting percentages?  Let's talk Points Per Game (PPG):

    Texas    PPG FOR: 76.1      PPG AGAINST: 59.7

    Baylor   PPG FOR: 72.3      PPG AGAINST: 62.8

    Texas AVG Margin of Win:   16.4 pts

    Baylor AVG Margin of Win:   9.5 pts

    Texas ATS:     15-4

    Baylor ATS:     5-11

    This right here is important.  This is the story of these two teams this year.  Very important you understand this: 

    Texas has EXCEEDED themselves in expectations this year while Baylor was touted as a "top-of-their-conference" team during the preseason.

    THESE ARE TWO TEAMS GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, as their ATS shows. 

    That's EXACTLY what ATS (Against The Spread) means:  HOW THEY'VE PERFORMED AGAINST THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

    Now at certain points the almightly Vegas will push that number towards making it harder for the good ATS team to cover that spread and make it easier for the bad ATS team to cover.

    THAT is when you don't bet.

    This is not one of those times.

    There are a lot of people that are doubting Texas' great ATS record.  Which is pretty odd, because I run into alot of people who like to look BACK into the past and dig up crazy little trends that they bet on.

    Bet on the past when today is the present?!?!?  What do the teams from over a century ago mean about this team that I am betting on today?!?!?

    Don't get me wrong, there are certain things you get out of trends.  But not a lot of people UNDERSTAND trends.  People see a trend of,....for example....the under has gone 19-1 over the past 20 times these teams have played each other.  People see that and bet the under without realizing some of those unders were decades ago.

    Give me a CURRENT trend that tells me something about these players here that are playing here TODAY and I'll listen. 

    AND even if a trend is current, they don't check out the actual facts of it (lazy people, give them a trend and they run with it).  Some of those unders and overs, really were overs and unders against the Total that you are about to bet on now.  Any team can hit an under when the total was 182 (ha, ha).

    DO RESEARCH PEOPLE.  OR READ PEOPLE'S WRITE-UPS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A SACK O NUTS BENEATH IT.

    Ok, Ok, Ok,...I'm rambling on about stuff that means more about my pet-peeves of the betting world than the game at hand.

    Are you still there?!.......

    TexasD's play for Texas on Saturday , February 12, 2011:

    Texas -11.5

    Cheap chalk for a team winning by double-digits in their last 9 conference games, regardless of home or away.

    Now that's a trend

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    It's hard not to believe Texas will cover at home against Baylor. 

    I will admit that -11.5 is a great line for a team that I have thoroughly eye-tested and highly believe in going to the Final Four, regardless of playing home or away.  A Texas team that can go 15-4 ATS and win by double-digits in ALL of their last 9 conference games this year.  Texas is a money-making machine ATS.

    Plain English: THEY EXCEED EXPECTATIONS

    The almighty Vegas can't tell them who they are, they show who they are.

    Ok, Ok, Ok,...You want facts, stats, and good info that makes you feel good.  Here we go:

    There are five games that can be compared to see what it would be like if Texas played Baylor.  I say if, obviously, because they haven't played them yet.

    #1 Both teams played Texas A&M away on THEIR court.  Texas won by 20 points while Baylor needed OverTime to beat them by 2 points.  With the common-denominator of A&M, Texas beats Baylor by 18 points on a nuetral court.

    #2 Both teams played Texas Tech away on THEIR court.  Texas won by 31, Baylor by 12.  Texas beats Baylor by 19 on a nuetral court.  (You may be catching on to my calculations here, figure out your own numbers for the last three)

    #3 gets a little tricky with Oklahoma.  Both played Oklahoma at home.  Texas won by 20, Baylor by 13.

    Baylor ALSO played them a second time this year, away on their court, LOSING by 7.

    #4 is probably their closest comparison: Oklahoma St.  Baylor played them at home and won by 19.  Texas played away on their court and won by 15. 

    #5 gives Texas a superb advantage of comparison; Kansas.  Texas played AWAY @ Kansas and won by 11 points while Baylor played @ HOME and lost by 20 points.

    Do some of your own math and come up with a number for Texas to win by.

    THEY PLAYED ALL 5 OF THESE TEAMS IN EXACTLY THE SAME ORDER:  Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, Oklahoma St, and then Texas A&M

    If a team was weak, Texas won by more, if a team was strong, they won by the lesser of the double digits.

    Example: The weak Texas Tech,.. beat them by 31 on their court.  The strong Kansas Jayhawks on their court, beat them by only 11.

    Baylorhas  some great athleticism and possibly an athletic enough tall guy, big enough to be picked early in the NBA draft. a 6'10" freshman Perry Jones is efficient down low.

    If they aren't pushing the ball down low to Jones, they'll look to sneak the ball into Quincy Acy, a 6'7" junior who also can work his way in for high percentage shots.

    I will admit that Baylor has a better 2-pt shooting %  becuz of those 2 front-courters.  But Baylor WILL have a tough time trying to get it to them through a SOLID Texas D.

    Their leading scorer, Dunn, can shoot extremely well behind the 3-pt line, but he won't be shooting as well against the #1 defense in the nation.  He works hard to draw fouls and put his 82.4% FT shooting on the board.

    HAVE YOU MET THE TEXASD YET?!?!?!

    You are going to want to if you haven't already.  This D has proven hard as hell to crack open for points, for ANY team thus far.

    Texas holds teams to 28.1% shooting from 3-pt land and only 39% inside that line for 2-ptrs.  That is UNBELIEVABLE!  Unless you've met the TexasD already of course.

    Baylor is quite the opposite on defense Giving up a 34.8% 3-pt % and 44.6% from 2.  By no means are those bad numbers, they are quite average in the NCAA.  Their 2P% IS better than the average NCAA Div 1 team, but NOT comparable to the TexasD.

    Effective FG% (look it up if you don't know what EFFECTIVE FG% is)

    Texas holds to UNDER 40%....Baylor holds to 47.5%.

    Don't like shooting percentages?  Let's talk Points Per Game (PPG):

    Texas    PPG FOR: 76.1      PPG AGAINST: 59.7

    Baylor   PPG FOR: 72.3      PPG AGAINST: 62.8

    Texas AVG Margin of Win:   16.4 pts

    Baylor AVG Margin of Win:   9.5 pts

    Texas ATS:     15-4

    Baylor ATS:     5-11

    This right here is important.  This is the story of these two teams this year.  Very important you understand this: 

    Texas has EXCEEDED themselves in expectations this year while Baylor was touted as a "top-of-their-conference" team during the preseason.

    THESE ARE TWO TEAMS GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, as their ATS shows. 

    That's EXACTLY what ATS (Against The Spread) means:  HOW THEY'VE PERFORMED AGAINST THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

    Now at certain points the almightly Vegas will push that number towards making it harder for the good ATS team to cover that spread and make it easier for the bad ATS team to cover.

    THAT is when you don't bet.

    This is not one of those times.

    There are a lot of people that are doubting Texas' great ATS record.  Which is pretty odd, because I run into alot of people who like to look BACK into the past and dig up crazy little trends that they bet on.

    Bet on the past when today is the present?!?!?  What do the teams from over a century ago mean about this team that I am betting on today?!?!?

    Don't get me wrong, there are certain things you get out of trends.  But not a lot of people UNDERSTAND trends.  People see a trend of,....for example....the under has gone 19-1 over the past 20 times these teams have played each other.  People see that and bet the under without realizing some of those unders were decades ago.

    Give me a CURRENT trend that tells me something about these players here that are playing here TODAY and I'll listen. 

    AND even if a trend is current, they don't check out the actual facts of it (lazy people, give them a trend and they run with it).  Some of those unders and overs, really were overs and unders against the Total that you are about to bet on now.  Any team can hit an under when the total was 182 (ha, ha).

    DO RESEARCH PEOPLE.  OR READ PEOPLE'S WRITE-UPS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A SACK O NUTS BENEATH IT.

    Ok, Ok, Ok,...I'm rambling on about stuff that means more about my pet-peeves of the betting world than the game at hand.

    Are you still there?!.......

    TexasD's play for Texas on Saturday , February 12, 2011:

    Texas -11.5

    Cheap chalk for a team winning by double-digits in their last 9 conference games, regardless of home or away.

    Now that's a trend

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 7:26 AM ET #2

    Great write up, I'm on it with you
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 7:34 AM ET #3

    Excellent analysis.  Really appreciate ur insights on games,

    Hook 'em Horns
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    Excellent analysis.  Really appreciate ur insights on games,

    Hook 'em Horns
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 7:37 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 7:42 AM ET #5

    Great post bro!  Love this shit.
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 8:56 AM ET #6

    good write up. i bet them last night. baylor is missing something.toughness. can't shoot well. i think they are allready beat.really like how this texas team plays hard the whole game. and they are deep. gl today.
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    good write up. i bet them last night. baylor is missing something.toughness. can't shoot well. i think they are allready beat.really like how this texas team plays hard the whole game. and they are deep. gl today.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 9:05 AM ET #7

    my dude then your invited to the poolmans sizzlin saturdat pool party was on them early before the heavy hitters move this one and as always good luck my friend
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    my dude then your invited to the poolmans sizzlin saturdat pool party was on them early before the heavy hitters move this one and as always good luck my friend
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 9:07 AM ET #8

    Go ahead and book Texas at 14/1 to win the Title...its worth a shot.
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 9:08 AM ET #9

    I hate to go against my Baylor squad... but I totally agree.
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 9:18 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by atlstaats:

    Go ahead and book Texas at 14/1 to win the Title...its worth a shot.

    I wish I could get those odds at my sportsbook.  I booked them at +700, felt like it was STILL good value.  It was +500 last time I looked, will be +200/+250 like the big 3 already are.

    Bottom line:  my book sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlstaats:

    Go ahead and book Texas at 14/1 to win the Title...its worth a shot.

    I wish I could get those odds at my sportsbook.  I booked them at +700, felt like it was STILL good value.  It was +500 last time I looked, will be +200/+250 like the big 3 already are.

    Bottom line:  my book sucks

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 9:37 AM ET #11

    def. like texas but it's still a lot of points
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    def. like texas but it's still a lot of points
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 10:11 AM ET #12

    What else can I dig up for readers to make you feel better about putting money on Texas today?

    Ahhhh, the other thing that I always look at when judging a team, and that's "pre-conference" SOS.

    Baylor had THE EASIEST non-conference schedule before they started conference play.  It was easier than....Fairleigh Dickinson's schedule (yes that is a college BB team) of the...Northeast Conference (and yes that is a real conference)....who are 4W-20L this season.

    You think Fairleigh Dickinson is a weird college name that you have no idea where it is in the U.S., check these team names of colleges that Baylor played:

    Grambling, Lipscomb, Bethune Cookman, La Salle, Prairie View A&M, the San Diego ZooKeepers, South-side Texas, and my two best friends Morgan and Jackson State.  All played at home except for the Zookeepers that were on a nuetral court.  I seriously think sum of those names are adjectives, names of viruses, and one must've been in Mexico (haha).

    The 3 non-conference games that they played against teams that were of any relevance to the NCAA basketball community,..they lost.

    Texas didn't have as tough of a non-conference schedule as say...West Virginia.  But having Illinois, Pittsburgh, Southern Cal, North Carolina, Michigan St, and Uconn on your plate before hitting conference play only made them stronger.

    Baylor playing powder-puff basketball before conference just made their overall record look good.

    NOW WHAT DO YOU DO WITH INFORMATION LIKE THIS YOU SAY?!?!

    Know that Texas' stats are the real deal against a good schedule and that Baylor's stats are misleading because half those stats came from practically Division-2 schools (ohh ohhh,.. somebody's gonna jump on me for calling their Alma Mater an all girls school).

    Look at the schudle of South Dakota St.  Seriously,...look at it.  They are ranked #3 in the nation in 3-point shooting percentage.

    Even I could hit 42.4 3-pointers out of 100, if nobody was standing infront of me contesting my shots.  (By the way, if you aren't good at mathematics, South Dakota St shoots 42.4% from behind the arc)

    They shoot a better 3-ball than Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, and Illinois.

    I think you get the point.

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    What else can I dig up for readers to make you feel better about putting money on Texas today?

    Ahhhh, the other thing that I always look at when judging a team, and that's "pre-conference" SOS.

    Baylor had THE EASIEST non-conference schedule before they started conference play.  It was easier than....Fairleigh Dickinson's schedule (yes that is a college BB team) of the...Northeast Conference (and yes that is a real conference)....who are 4W-20L this season.

    You think Fairleigh Dickinson is a weird college name that you have no idea where it is in the U.S., check these team names of colleges that Baylor played:

    Grambling, Lipscomb, Bethune Cookman, La Salle, Prairie View A&M, the San Diego ZooKeepers, South-side Texas, and my two best friends Morgan and Jackson State.  All played at home except for the Zookeepers that were on a nuetral court.  I seriously think sum of those names are adjectives, names of viruses, and one must've been in Mexico (haha).

    The 3 non-conference games that they played against teams that were of any relevance to the NCAA basketball community,..they lost.

    Texas didn't have as tough of a non-conference schedule as say...West Virginia.  But having Illinois, Pittsburgh, Southern Cal, North Carolina, Michigan St, and Uconn on your plate before hitting conference play only made them stronger.

    Baylor playing powder-puff basketball before conference just made their overall record look good.

    NOW WHAT DO YOU DO WITH INFORMATION LIKE THIS YOU SAY?!?!

    Know that Texas' stats are the real deal against a good schedule and that Baylor's stats are misleading because half those stats came from practically Division-2 schools (ohh ohhh,.. somebody's gonna jump on me for calling their Alma Mater an all girls school).

    Look at the schudle of South Dakota St.  Seriously,...look at it.  They are ranked #3 in the nation in 3-point shooting percentage.

    Even I could hit 42.4 3-pointers out of 100, if nobody was standing infront of me contesting my shots.  (By the way, if you aren't good at mathematics, South Dakota St shoots 42.4% from behind the arc)

    They shoot a better 3-ball than Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, and Illinois.

    I think you get the point.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 10:21 AM ET #13

    I love this shit!  Please keep it coming Tex.  Now we need to win some games.  I will be on Texas with u today.
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    I love this shit!  Please keep it coming Tex.  Now we need to win some games.  I will be on Texas with u today.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 10:55 AM ET #16

    I'm impressed with the write-up. I've been to a couple of games this year and the Longhorns D is exceptional. BOL Sir.

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    I'm impressed with the write-up. I've been to a couple of games this year and the Longhorns D is exceptional. BOL Sir.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by TDubATX:

    I'm impressed with the write-up. I've been to a couple of games this year and the Longhorns D is exceptional. BOL Sir.

    Thanx, I enjoy the research for some reason

    gl

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDubATX:

    I'm impressed with the write-up. I've been to a couple of games this year and the Longhorns D is exceptional. BOL Sir.

    Thanx, I enjoy the research for some reason

    gl

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 1:27 PM ET #18

    I hope the money falls heavy on Baylor so the line drops.  When I'm convinced that ND keeps their cover against a scrappy S. Florida team, I might have to press those chips on Texas.

    I don't think it'll move off -11 though.

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    I hope the money falls heavy on Baylor so the line drops.  When I'm convinced that ND keeps their cover against a scrappy S. Florida team, I might have to press those chips on Texas.

    I don't think it'll move off -11 though.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 1:36 PM ET #19

    Great write up,

    I'm All Over Texas

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    Great write up,

    I'm All Over Texas

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:22 PM ET #20

    I think it will be over in the first half
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    I think it will be over in the first half
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:24 PM ET #21

    Any thoughts/opinions? 1st half Texas lead/blowout? Or shall I wait til the very end?
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    Any thoughts/opinions? 1st half Texas lead/blowout? Or shall I wait til the very end?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:36 PM ET #22

    To be honest brother, I'm not a big O/U bettor.  I just think it's too big  of a flip of a coin.  Teams get hot, teams get cold shooting.  Coaches say slow down the tempo, coaches say let's run with them. 

    I'm not saying that there aren't good strategies to picking O/Us.  Just haven't found a good strategy yet.  PLUS, a lot of people just look at a trend of O/Us and don't investigate them enough.  Some overs back then may have been unders against the total today.  Some unders may have been an over. 

    My biggest complaint are the trend records of o/us that are "after a win on the road" or "on all Wednesday games when the moon is full".

    Sorry, no opinion on over or under today brother.

    GL

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    To be honest brother, I'm not a big O/U bettor.  I just think it's too big  of a flip of a coin.  Teams get hot, teams get cold shooting.  Coaches say slow down the tempo, coaches say let's run with them. 

    I'm not saying that there aren't good strategies to picking O/Us.  Just haven't found a good strategy yet.  PLUS, a lot of people just look at a trend of O/Us and don't investigate them enough.  Some overs back then may have been unders against the total today.  Some unders may have been an over. 

    My biggest complaint are the trend records of o/us that are "after a win on the road" or "on all Wednesday games when the moon is full".

    Sorry, no opinion on over or under today brother.

    GL

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:41 PM ET #23

    Great post man, how do you like TX for the 1H? I'm leaning Texas -6.5 and over 61...
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    Great post man, how do you like TX for the 1H? I'm leaning Texas -6.5 and over 61...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:43 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by SWaTX731:

    Great post man, how do you like TX for the 1H? I'm leaning Texas -6.5 and over 61...

     

    My bad didn't see your post above, all good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWaTX731:

    Great post man, how do you like TX for the 1H? I'm leaning Texas -6.5 and over 61...

     

    My bad didn't see your post above, all good...

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2011 - 2:44 PM ET #25

    TexasD, my apologies man.  I had meant to say, should I bet that Texas will cover the spread (-6.5) @ halftime, or wait til they run away at the end of the game (-11)?

    Thanks again.
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    TexasD, my apologies man.  I had meant to say, should I bet that Texas will cover the spread (-6.5) @ halftime, or wait til they run away at the end of the game (-11)?

    Thanks again.
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