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    Proof Books Are Very Good at Setting Lines in CBB

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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 10:29 AM ET #1

    Whatever combination of analytics being used by the BOOKS they are very good. 

    This confirms how important it is to get the best line or "sharpest" line and if the line on a team you like moves 1 or 2 points against you, it might be smart to stay away from the game.

    Look at how many outcomes were settled within a point of the line.

    Also, this was on Sunday when the card is not that large and look at how close all of these games were yesterday to the hitting the line.

     

    Stonybrook -6 vs. Delaware won by 6      (74-68)    Exact HIT

    Elon -1 vs. Canisius lost by 1                  (91-92)     2 point cover

    Niagra -2.5 vs. Cornell won by 3             (77-74)     1/2 point cover

    Fordham -6.5 vs. Howard wond by 7        (74-67)    1/2 point cover

    Ill. State -10 vs. Cleve. St. won by 11       (88-77)   1 point cover

    U. Vermont -5 vs. N. Eastern won by 5      (75-70)   Exact HIT

    UCF -26 vs. Stetson won by 25                 (90-65)   1 point cover

    S. Fran -13.5 over Cal. State won by 14     (68-54)   1/2 point cover

    N. Mexico -13.5 vs. Cent. Ark won by 12    (82-70)   Exact HIT

    Hartford -3 vs. Oakland won by 5               (87-82)   2 point cover

    St. Johns -17 vs. Wagner won by 15        (73-58)      2 point cover

    Pacific -3.5 vs. Cal. St. North won by 2       (79-77)    2 point cover

    Ole Miss -19 vs. Tenn. Chat. won by 19      (90-70)     1 point cover

    N. KY -6.5 vs. Miami O. won by 6               (72-66)     1/2 point cover

    Here are 14 games on a Sunday where the outcome was decided within 2 points of the line.  Damn, these Books are pretty good or maybe this was a highly unusual day.

     

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    Whatever combination of analytics being used by the BOOKS they are very good. 

    This confirms how important it is to get the best line or "sharpest" line and if the line on a team you like moves 1 or 2 points against you, it might be smart to stay away from the game.

    Look at how many outcomes were settled within a point of the line.

    Also, this was on Sunday when the card is not that large and look at how close all of these games were yesterday to the hitting the line.

     

    Stonybrook -6 vs. Delaware won by 6      (74-68)    Exact HIT

    Elon -1 vs. Canisius lost by 1                  (91-92)     2 point cover

    Niagra -2.5 vs. Cornell won by 3             (77-74)     1/2 point cover

    Fordham -6.5 vs. Howard wond by 7        (74-67)    1/2 point cover

    Ill. State -10 vs. Cleve. St. won by 11       (88-77)   1 point cover

    U. Vermont -5 vs. N. Eastern won by 5      (75-70)   Exact HIT

    UCF -26 vs. Stetson won by 25                 (90-65)   1 point cover

    S. Fran -13.5 over Cal. State won by 14     (68-54)   1/2 point cover

    N. Mexico -13.5 vs. Cent. Ark won by 12    (82-70)   Exact HIT

    Hartford -3 vs. Oakland won by 5               (87-82)   2 point cover

    St. Johns -17 vs. Wagner won by 15        (73-58)      2 point cover

    Pacific -3.5 vs. Cal. St. North won by 2       (79-77)    2 point cover

    Ole Miss -19 vs. Tenn. Chat. won by 19      (90-70)     1 point cover

    N. KY -6.5 vs. Miami O. won by 6               (72-66)     1/2 point cover

    Here are 14 games on a Sunday where the outcome was decided within 2 points of the line.  Damn, these Books are pretty good or maybe this was a highly unusual day.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 11:58 AM ET #2

    Makes you really wonder....lol........good to see you back In2it....miss those teasers......after i do my research I like to see what other cappers I respect are doing.....you're one the few...lol.....BOL

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    Makes you really wonder....lol........good to see you back In2it....miss those teasers......after i do my research I like to see what other cappers I respect are doing.....you're one the few...lol.....BOL

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 12:33 PM ET #3

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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 12:38 PM ET #4

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the line


    this is basic
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    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the line


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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 12:43 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the line


    this is basic

    So what you are saying is that the Public is good at setting lines so tight that the games almost hit exactly on the line that is set by the Public?
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    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the line


    this is basic

    So what you are saying is that the Public is good at setting lines so tight that the games almost hit exactly on the line that is set by the Public?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 1:17 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by stretchrunner:

    Makes you really wonder....lol........good to see you back In2it....miss those teasers......after i do my research I like to see what other cappers I respect are doing.....you're one the few...lol.....BOL

    Appreciate your interest and comments.  The CBB cards have been a little thin lately for my system and I don't what to press things.  Today I did make the following play that I think looks really solid.

    3 Team 8 pt. Teaser - 360 to win 300

    Vandy +9 teased up from +1........ASU just won at Georgia by 2, but did not cover the -2.5 and they have been over in the southeast since Friday. I think Vandy could win this game SU, but definitely keep close against and ASU playing only their 2nd true road game this year and ASU is 2-8-2 ATS in their last 12 road games.

    Drake -4 teased down from -12.......Drake is in a different class than SIU Edwardsville and that it easy to see by looking at their records and who they have both played thus far.  Drake is off a 68-77 loss, but covered vs. ranked Iowa State and should easily get back to their winning ways tonight at home where they are 3-0 and tonight they play an inferior opponent that is 0-2 on the road and 2-5 overall and SIUE have not played one quality opponent all year.

    Montana -3 teased down from -11 .....Taking the clearly the better team at home to win by on 3 pointer.  This makes it easy.  Montana and North Dakota State both played Incarnate Wood and Miami Ohio on a neutral court less than a month ago.

    Montana beat IW by 27 points and North Dakota State lost to IW by 2 points - 29 point swing.

    Montana beat Miami O. by 2 and North Dakota State lost to Miami O. by 11 points - 13 point swing.

    Now Montana is home and North Dakota State is OTR.....I will also be playing Montana -11 for a few dollars.

    BOL and I will be posting regularly once the schedule thickens up a little.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by stretchrunner:

    Makes you really wonder....lol........good to see you back In2it....miss those teasers......after i do my research I like to see what other cappers I respect are doing.....you're one the few...lol.....BOL

    Appreciate your interest and comments.  The CBB cards have been a little thin lately for my system and I don't what to press things.  Today I did make the following play that I think looks really solid.

    3 Team 8 pt. Teaser - 360 to win 300

    Vandy +9 teased up from +1........ASU just won at Georgia by 2, but did not cover the -2.5 and they have been over in the southeast since Friday. I think Vandy could win this game SU, but definitely keep close against and ASU playing only their 2nd true road game this year and ASU is 2-8-2 ATS in their last 12 road games.

    Drake -4 teased down from -12.......Drake is in a different class than SIU Edwardsville and that it easy to see by looking at their records and who they have both played thus far.  Drake is off a 68-77 loss, but covered vs. ranked Iowa State and should easily get back to their winning ways tonight at home where they are 3-0 and tonight they play an inferior opponent that is 0-2 on the road and 2-5 overall and SIUE have not played one quality opponent all year.

    Montana -3 teased down from -11 .....Taking the clearly the better team at home to win by on 3 pointer.  This makes it easy.  Montana and North Dakota State both played Incarnate Wood and Miami Ohio on a neutral court less than a month ago.

    Montana beat IW by 27 points and North Dakota State lost to IW by 2 points - 29 point swing.

    Montana beat Miami O. by 2 and North Dakota State lost to Miami O. by 11 points - 13 point swing.

    Now Montana is home and North Dakota State is OTR.....I will also be playing Montana -11 for a few dollars.

    BOL and I will be posting regularly once the schedule thickens up a little.

     

     
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    Yes I love me some teasers!

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    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors. That's why they're the oddsmakers. It's an ugly truth most bettors never want to acknowledge.

    They have: a.) better statistical databases, and b.) better access to inside information. And let's face it, the average bettor is just guessing, whereas the folks making the lines aren't.

    Which brings up the question concerning one of tonight's match ups: Why did Rider come out a pick-it against WSU? Seems way off statistically and situationally to me, by @ 6 points. Apparently the folks making the line know something the bettors don't in this game.

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    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors. That's why they're the oddsmakers. It's an ugly truth most bettors never want to acknowledge.

    They have: a.) better statistical databases, and b.) better access to inside information. And let's face it, the average bettor is just guessing, whereas the folks making the lines aren't.

    Which brings up the question concerning one of tonight's match ups: Why did Rider come out a pick-it against WSU? Seems way off statistically and situationally to me, by @ 6 points. Apparently the folks making the line know something the bettors don't in this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:

    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors.

     

     

    an_roll_laugh You guys don't get it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:

    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors.

     

     

    an_roll_laugh You guys don't get it....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:

    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors. That's why they're the oddsmakers. It's an ugly truth most bettors never want to acknowledge.

    They have: a.) better statistical databases, and b.) better access to inside information. And let's face it, the average bettor is just guessing, whereas the folks making the lines aren't.

    Which brings up the question concerning one of tonight's match ups: Why did Rider come out a pick-it against WSU? Seems way off statistically and situationally to me, by @ 6 points. Apparently the folks making the line know something the bettors don't in this game.

    BOL,
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    Yes, I saw that myself.  Rider that is 0-3 on the road comes out as -1 and now Washington State that is 5-0 at home is -3.  Looks really "fishy".  I would normally have hammered Washington State at -1, but stayed away because of the smell.
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    Yesterday was an aberration, but your point is valid. The oddsmakers are sharper than the bettors. That's why they're the oddsmakers. It's an ugly truth most bettors never want to acknowledge.

    They have: a.) better statistical databases, and b.) better access to inside information. And let's face it, the average bettor is just guessing, whereas the folks making the lines aren't.

    Which brings up the question concerning one of tonight's match ups: Why did Rider come out a pick-it against WSU? Seems way off statistically and situationally to me, by @ 6 points. Apparently the folks making the line know something the bettors don't in this game.

    BOL,
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    Yes, I saw that myself.  Rider that is 0-3 on the road comes out as -1 and now Washington State that is 5-0 at home is -3.  Looks really "fishy".  I would normally have hammered Washington State at -1, but stayed away because of the smell.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

     

     

    an_roll_laugh You guys don't get it....


    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action, then why was 92% of the money on the Patriots yesterday and why was 87% of the money on the Rams yesterday and I could go "on an on" with "game after game" where the money was all on one side.  I guess the Odds Maker's are doing a really cr..a..ppy job?  I know the majority owner of an offshore book and they are always looking for an edge over the bettor and they are always holding "way too much" on certain games, but cannot avoid it.  BOL!  
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    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action, then why was 92% of the money on the Patriots yesterday and why was 87% of the money on the Rams yesterday and I could go "on an on" with "game after game" where the money was all on one side.  I guess the Odds Maker's are doing a really cr..a..ppy job?  I know the majority owner of an offshore book and they are always looking for an edge over the bettor and they are always holding "way too much" on certain games, but cannot avoid it.  BOL!  
     
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    "oddsmaker(s)"?  Kenny got replaced by a computer years ago, main one at MC
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    GL...love the teaser.  
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 4:41 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by In2it:


    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action, then why was 92% of the money on the Patriots yesterday ? 

    It wasn't, and who told you it was? Books don't report who bet on what to anybody.

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    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action, then why was 92% of the money on the Patriots yesterday ? 

    It wasn't, and who told you it was? Books don't report who bet on what to anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In2it:


    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action,

    Wait a second- Do you seriously think it isn't? How do you think they make thier money, by pickin winners?  

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    Pop's with all due respect, if the goal of the Odds Maker's is to get equal action,

    Wait a second- Do you seriously think it isn't? How do you think they make thier money, by pickin winners?  

     
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    One Thing Hasn’t Changed: The Goal of Oddsmakers

    One thing that hasn’t changed since the early days of sports betting is the ultimate aim set by the sportsbooks: balance the action on both sides of a wager.

    If you’ve read our guide https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/betting-101/how-to-read-sports-odds/, you’ll know that you can calculate the implied probability of an event happening simply by performing a few simple calculations.

    However, betting lines aren’t designed to reflect the real and accurate probability of either outcome. After all, one of the best strategies to getting an edge over your sportsbook is making a wager when you think there’s a discrepancy between the real probability of an event and the implied probability determined from a betting line.

    How Are Odds Determined?

    Odds are engineered to attract equal action on both sides of a betting line. In a perfect world, a sportsbook receives equal betting volume on both sides of a wager. Then – win or lose – they’ll make 5-10% on the https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/betting-101/what-is-the-vigorish/.

    As such, it’s integral to understand that the chief function of oddsmakers isn’t to create an accurate (and probable) picture of reality: It’s to mitigate your sportsbook’s risk. Think of contemporary oddsmakers as risk management professionals, as well as expert sports predictors.

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    One Thing Hasn’t Changed: The Goal of Oddsmakers

    One thing that hasn’t changed since the early days of sports betting is the ultimate aim set by the sportsbooks: balance the action on both sides of a wager.

    If you’ve read our guide https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/betting-101/how-to-read-sports-odds/, you’ll know that you can calculate the implied probability of an event happening simply by performing a few simple calculations.

    However, betting lines aren’t designed to reflect the real and accurate probability of either outcome. After all, one of the best strategies to getting an edge over your sportsbook is making a wager when you think there’s a discrepancy between the real probability of an event and the implied probability determined from a betting line.

    How Are Odds Determined?

    Odds are engineered to attract equal action on both sides of a betting line. In a perfect world, a sportsbook receives equal betting volume on both sides of a wager. Then – win or lose – they’ll make 5-10% on the https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/betting-101/what-is-the-vigorish/.

    As such, it’s integral to understand that the chief function of oddsmakers isn’t to create an accurate (and probable) picture of reality: It’s to mitigate your sportsbook’s risk. Think of contemporary oddsmakers as risk management professionals, as well as expert sports predictors.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 5:10 PM ET #18

    Everytime I hear this I laugh.  The truth is that bettors notice the close ones and discount the others as emotion isn't involved in "larger" losses or wins.  For example, I looked at 8 of the first games  results listed on Saturday......not so "Sharp", lol

     

    Winner             Line          Actual

    UNC              -3                -13

    Mich              -24              -8

    Nev               -16              -4 

    Aub              -20               -4 (OT)

    Ohio St         -18               -2

    TTU              -18               -34

    UVA              -7                 -12

    KY                -15               -27

     

    Also, contrary to much of what is said here, the book's aim is  not simplistically to always to get "even" money on both teams/sides.  This is grandpa's theory from the old days.  It's the 21st Century now.

    There are factors and mathematical models that show the books exactly what to do to obtain maximum profit  For example in yesterday's Seattle/Niners game, despite most of the early $$$ being on Seattle, the line actually dropped down to give fewer points to the Niners.  This is because the books knew there would be large $$$ coming in on the Niners, much from betting syndicates.  Individual bettors have no clue about this.

    The books employ some of the world's best analytics firms to model their lines.  Extremely sophisticated stuff that looks at entire ranges of games....not just one game at a time.  The books objective is not really to win every bet - it's to maximize profit given all of the information they have.  This goes far beyond your average bookie wanting to "even out" the action.

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    Everytime I hear this I laugh.  The truth is that bettors notice the close ones and discount the others as emotion isn't involved in "larger" losses or wins.  For example, I looked at 8 of the first games  results listed on Saturday......not so "Sharp", lol

     

    Winner             Line          Actual

    UNC              -3                -13

    Mich              -24              -8

    Nev               -16              -4 

    Aub              -20               -4 (OT)

    Ohio St         -18               -2

    TTU              -18               -34

    UVA              -7                 -12

    KY                -15               -27

     

    Also, contrary to much of what is said here, the book's aim is  not simplistically to always to get "even" money on both teams/sides.  This is grandpa's theory from the old days.  It's the 21st Century now.

    There are factors and mathematical models that show the books exactly what to do to obtain maximum profit  For example in yesterday's Seattle/Niners game, despite most of the early $$$ being on Seattle, the line actually dropped down to give fewer points to the Niners.  This is because the books knew there would be large $$$ coming in on the Niners, much from betting syndicates.  Individual bettors have no clue about this.

    The books employ some of the world's best analytics firms to model their lines.  Extremely sophisticated stuff that looks at entire ranges of games....not just one game at a time.  The books objective is not really to win every bet - it's to maximize profit given all of the information they have.  This goes far beyond your average bookie wanting to "even out" the action.

     
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    " the book's aim is  not simplistically to always to get "even" money on both teams/sides.  This is grandpa's theory from the old days.  It's the 21st Century now."


    Bwha ha ha ha  its like saying banks don't charge interest to make money nowadays....

    Youre an idiot, Newbie


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    " the book's aim is  not simplistically to always to get "even" money on both teams/sides.  This is grandpa's theory from the old days.  It's the 21st Century now."


    Bwha ha ha ha  its like saying banks don't charge interest to make money nowadays....

    Youre an idiot, Newbie


     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 5:15 PM ET #20

    and did you call it a "theory"?


    Godam? WTF?
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    Godam? WTF?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic

     

    Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such. 

     

    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol

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    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic

     

    Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such. 

     

    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol

     

     

    an_roll_laughWell...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-

     

    I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?

     

     

    Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol

     

     

    an_roll_laughWell...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-

     

    I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?

     

     

    Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol
        Well...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-   I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?     Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?

     

    Newbie?  Listen son.....

    I'm not talking about your local down the street.  Come to Vegas and actually TALK to a sportsbook manager.  Your simplistic understanding of the books' strategy is well....you need to stretch that string a little tighter next time you make a call to the milkman to have him deliver you some butter.

    Of course, getting even money is nice - but no, it's not the only priority as you make it out to be. 

    If getting even $$$ was the only objective, then why don't we see lines of +20 or more in the NFL?  Or +25?  Because in many cases, THAT is what it would take to get your holy grail of "even money" on some games.  Do you think that line of +3.5 in the Seattle/Niners game had even money on both sides at kickoff?

     

    Now go use that rotary phone on the wall in your kitchen to call Woolworth's and see if those longjohns you're giving the missus for Christmas are ready.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol
        Well...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-   I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?     Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?

     

    Newbie?  Listen son.....

    I'm not talking about your local down the street.  Come to Vegas and actually TALK to a sportsbook manager.  Your simplistic understanding of the books' strategy is well....you need to stretch that string a little tighter next time you make a call to the milkman to have him deliver you some butter.

    Of course, getting even money is nice - but no, it's not the only priority as you make it out to be. 

    If getting even $$$ was the only objective, then why don't we see lines of +20 or more in the NFL?  Or +25?  Because in many cases, THAT is what it would take to get your holy grail of "even money" on some games.  Do you think that line of +3.5 in the Seattle/Niners game had even money on both sides at kickoff?

     

    Now go use that rotary phone on the wall in your kitchen to call Woolworth's and see if those longjohns you're giving the missus for Christmas are ready.

     

     
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    The not-so-well-kept secret is that KenPom has been setting the lines for the last several years. 

    Oddsmakers do very little work in CBB. 
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    Oddsmakers do very little work in CBB. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The not-so-well-kept secret is that KenPom has been setting the lines for the last several years. Oddsmakers do very little work in CBB.

     

    Exactly- 

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish7878:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol
        Well...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-   I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?     Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?
      Newbie?  Listen son..... I'm not talking about your local down the street.  Come to Vegas and actually TALK to a sportsbook manager.  Your simplistic understanding of the books' strategy is well....you need to stretch that string a little tighter next time you make a call to the milkman to have him deliver you some butter. Of course, getting even money is nice - but no, it's not the only priority as you make it out to be.  If getting even $$$ was the only objective, then why don't we see lines of +20 or more in the NFL?  Or +25?  Because in many cases, THAT is what it would take to get your holy grail of "even money" on some games.  Do you think that line of +3.5 in the Seattle/Niners game had even money on both sides at kickoff?   Now go use that rotary phone on the wall in your kitchen to call Woolworth's and see if those longjohns you're giving the missus for Christmas are ready.

     

    You're clueless and youre lying because things you have said are things a parlay card playing college freshman in a dorm room would say- 

     

    Your cover was blown the first time you opened your mouth

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    The not-so-well-kept secret is that KenPom has been setting the lines for the last several years. Oddsmakers do very little work in CBB.

     

    Exactly- 

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish7878:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHog:

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsPiedmont:

    They are good at gauging the gambling publics perceptions of games. Whatever gets them 50/50 action.... so the Gambling public actually makes the linethis is basic
      Pops is actually 100% right. I've seen some higher up guys from books talk about this on interviews and such.    The books set lines that will get bets on both sides.....there's reason "juice" exists....lol
        Well...Its literally the only way they make money- They don't expose thier money to risk, they don't gamble, they book bets, they don't make them-   I cannot believe I have to explain this here, of all places?     Its like going to a football message board and having to explain what a touchdown is? WTH?
      Newbie?  Listen son..... I'm not talking about your local down the street.  Come to Vegas and actually TALK to a sportsbook manager.  Your simplistic understanding of the books' strategy is well....you need to stretch that string a little tighter next time you make a call to the milkman to have him deliver you some butter. Of course, getting even money is nice - but no, it's not the only priority as you make it out to be.  If getting even $$$ was the only objective, then why don't we see lines of +20 or more in the NFL?  Or +25?  Because in many cases, THAT is what it would take to get your holy grail of "even money" on some games.  Do you think that line of +3.5 in the Seattle/Niners game had even money on both sides at kickoff?   Now go use that rotary phone on the wall in your kitchen to call Woolworth's and see if those longjohns you're giving the missus for Christmas are ready.

     

    You're clueless and youre lying because things you have said are things a parlay card playing college freshman in a dorm room would say- 

     

    Your cover was blown the first time you opened your mouth

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