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I'm already on the Tigers here.. Are we really impressed with FSU's 2 FCS wins and Wake at home?

If FSU only wins 28-7 against Wake is this line still 14?

FSU might be very good- but Clemson is no slouch.. hard to see this game turning into a blowout..

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i hit FSU -13.5 it will be a blowout.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Professional1:

i hit FSU -13.5 it will be a blowout.


I tend to agree.  There is no way Clemson can match-up with the Seminoles in the trenches.  Clemson struggled with Auburn in the trenches for God's sake.  I would lean FSU at anything under 14.


 
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FSU is fresh because they played 2-cupcakes earlier and they are 3-deep at every position. This week will be the breakout week for all of those great receivers...FSU by 20!!!
 
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It's pretty difficult to blow out a team that has arguably the most potent offense in the country. If Clemson's defense shows up, they can definitely win this game straight up. Again, that's a big if considering Clemson's defense is fairly average. Don't take into account past performances. Clemson could have blown out there last 2 opponents much more than they did, but they chose not to. I haven't decided how or if I want to wager on this game yet. I think that Clemson TT over could be a great wager.
 
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If Clempson can devise a game plan to stop a one-dimensional Manuel and play good secondary then Tigers have a chance. Problem is they hired a D coordinator who was getting ready to get fired at Oklahoma. And the reason Venables was getting ready to get fired is because he's presided over Sooner defenses for the last 5 years that were leaky as a sieve. He is just god-awful.
 
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Just don't see how guys can lay 14+ on FSU when no one knows if FSU is any good.. 2 FCS teams and Wake at home doesn't tell us anything
 
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The linemaker has given the utmost respect to Florida State with this number. Nobody expected it to be this high. They usually know what they're doing.
 
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Clemson O is one of the best in the league. If anything you take th points here. Hell even if flordia st is up 17 in 4th qtr a field goal or td can moose the game. Im on Clemson +14, they had no answer for Sammy Watkins or Hopkins last year cant see how they will this year. Also Clemson's run game has improved a lot this year. BOL

 
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60% CHANCE Noles Cover 

50% Chance it's a Blowout 

15 % Chance Clemson wins outright 


99.9% chance I have no Idea about this game and will just pass
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this line screams FSU or no play.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

If Clempson can devise a game plan to stop a one-dimensional Manuel and play good secondary then Tigers have a chance. Problem is they hired a D coordinator who was getting ready to get fired at Oklahoma. And the reason Venables was getting ready to get fired is because he's presided over Sooner defenses for the last 5 years that were leaky as a sieve. He is just god-awful.

Agree, and Greg Davis was almost hired as well LOL the year before.  

 
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Quote Originally Posted by kroch:


Agree, and Greg Davis was almost hired as well LOL the year before.  



Don't know if you remember.....but when Garrett Gilbert was recruited at Texas it was Greg Davis who called him the next Dan Marino.
 
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I tend to agree.  There is no way Clemson can match-up with the Seminoles in the trenches.  Clemson struggled with Auburn in the trenches for God's sake.  I would lean FSU at anything under 14.


Really Jimmy? Cause Clemson RAN for over 340 yds in that game. They put up almost 600 yds of offense. There are Zero facts to back that argument.

Now, with that said.  I think FSU will win this game. Only because the game is being played in Tallahassee. That's the only reason. IF this game was being played in Clemson, without a question Clemson would win that game.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jwhizm:

FSU is fresh because they played 2-cupcakes earlier and they are 3-deep at every position. This week will be the breakout week for all of those great receivers...FSU by 20!!!


well well--- FSU beating cupcakes.....and Clemson to who the hell they beat up, Furman,Ball St and auburn----- both this teams have beat up a bunch of patsys---- but at least FSU didnt struggle against Auburn... one of my leans was in fact clemson... but the more im in to it..... do you guys think Clemson will blow out ULM..because they played a close game with Auburn who played a close game with clemson..stats aside... all this is nonsense in fact .... Clemson has one of the most potent offenses in the country right now..but they lack of a strong Deffense...and i dont like that much their o-line.....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jwhizm:

FSU is fresh because they played 2-cupcakes earlier and they are 3-deep at every position. This week will be the breakout week for all of those great receivers...FSU by 20!!!


Hell....they're barely 1-deep at QB.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jwhizm:

FSU is fresh because they played 2-cupcakes earlier and they are 3-deep at every position. This week will be the breakout week for all of those great receivers...FSU by 20!!!


Hell.....they're barely 1-deep at QB
 
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FSU 42
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:

Just don't see how guys can lay 14+ on FSU when no one knows if FSU is any good.. 2 FCS teams and Wake at home doesn't tell us anything


First of all, I wouldn't lay 14 points.  I would, however, consider laying less than 14.

I have zero doubt in my mind that Florida State is good.  I've been posting all summer that they are a legitimate top 5 team.  Now I'll even go further than that.  I think they are a legitimate top 3 team behind only Alabama and LSU.  Other than Alabama and LSU, there is no on in the country that can match FSU at the point of attack. 

You fall into the trap of thinking that skill position players win games.  The SEC hasn't won 7 straight BSC National Championships because they had better skill position players.  They won because the opposition couldn't match up with them at the point of attack.  If teams are even in the trenches then, yes, the team with the better skill position player will probably win.  But for the most part football games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage, and this game is huge mismatch at the point of attack in favor of FSU.


 
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You fall into the trap of thinking that skill position players win games.

FSU couldn't run the ball against real teams last year, and we haven't seen them do it this year, either.    The OL allowed 41 sacks last year against a schedule of mediocre to below average defensive teams.  The OL could be improved this year, but how can we tell given the schedule?

Last year:

vs. Oklahoma -- 26 rushes for 27 yards, 1.0 yard per rush

@ Clem -- 15-29, 1.9 ypr

vs. NCSU -- 37-123, 3.3 ypr

@ BC -- 41-127, 3.1 ypr

vs. Miami -- 29-63, 2.2 ypr

@ UF -- 45-30, 0.7 ypr

vs. Notre Dame -- 29-41, 1.4 ypr

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

Really Jimmy? Cause Clemson RAN for over 340 yds in that game. They put up almost 600 yds of offense. There are Zero facts to back that argument.

Now, with that said.  I think FSU will win this game. Only because the game is being played in Tallahassee. That's the only reason. IF this game was being played in Clemson, without a question Clemson would win that game.


You are right about Clemson gashing Auburn in the run game, so clearly they didn't lose the LOS on that side of the ball.  They did, however, give up 180 yards rushing to a completely one-dimensional offense that doesn't have a SEC-caliber player in the backfield, and who was running behind a horrendous offensive line.  That certainly wasn't very good, particularly in light of the fact that Auburn ran for half that against Mississippi State's defense.

 
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A FSU fan today told me.............and I literally laughed in his face until he got mad. But he said this...... We got film on Sammy now. That should be the difference in stopping him. I told that clown, I said hey man.... You guys will probably win. But that Ass Clown of a statement is dumbest thing I have ever heard. Players like Sammy watkins cant be stopped. You can slow him down MAYBE...but never fully stopped.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mws:

You fall into the trap of thinking that skill position players win games.

FSU couldn't run the ball against real teams last year, and we haven't seen them do it this year, either.    The OL allowed 41 sacks last year against a schedule of mediocre to below average defensive teams.  The OL could be improved this year, but how can we tell given the schedule?

Last year:

vs. Oklahoma -- 26 rushes for 27 yards, 1.0 yard per rush

@ Clem -- 15-29, 1.9 ypr

vs. NCSU -- 37-123, 3.3 ypr

@ BC -- 41-127, 3.1 ypr

vs. Miami -- 29-63, 2.2 ypr

@ UF -- 45-30, 0.7 ypr

vs. Notre Dame -- 29-41, 1.4 ypr



They had a lot of injuries in the offensive line last season, so they ended up playing several true freshman.  Right now they have 2 true sophomores, 1 red shirt sophomore, and 2 juniors starting on their o-line.  Back each of those guy up a year and you can see what they were playing with last season.

 
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Sammy can be stopped if Boyd is running for his life every play.I hope Clemson wins,but I believe FSU wins & covers easily...FSU 45 Clemson 24
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:



Don't know if you remember.....but when Garrett Gilbert was recruited at Texas it was Greg Davis who called him the next Dan Marino.

I've hated Greg Davis since I was at UT in the late 90s. 
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