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Goose, are you on bipolar meds? 
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And then there's Ganda.  This Clown is a serious piece of work.  This Joker claims Seniority doesn't mean anything.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Looks to me like Ganda didn't even show up on this Covers Site - UNTIL SOME THREE YEARS AFTER - collegegambler was here in 2008 and picking college football winners at a 60% win rate for three years running.

What could you possibly know about CG's earlier years if you were not even here at Covers On-Site???

But, but, but Seniority, means nothing, right??? 
I'll put that one in the "douchey" category also.

But wait, there's more.  Ganda shows up on theRX Forums in full-blown alias, afraid to use his douchey pink Covers avatar, and thinks his IP can't be traced. 

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA 


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Now, c'mon Ganda.  Whadayagot?

In defense of all your douchebaggery?

No hurry.  I'm retired and very comfortable.

Not like you in your corporate fukk cubicle.

Hang in there though... 35 years to go for you.


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You live in a special world, you creepy weirdo. I know why you call yourself Goose, because facts and reason run off you like water.

1. I don't care what CG did in the past and I never mentioned it. I only care what goes on in this moronic thread right now, and more specifically your period induced mood swings regarding your man crush Nicky.

2. Seniority means nothing. The fact that you've been here this long and still act like this at your age does not do you any favours.

3. I did not create an alias on rx, I occasionally post under Ganda somewhere else.

4. If you were retired and comfortable, shouldn't you be doing other things? I am self employed, thanks, and just finished work for the year, I have some extra time now until I get into my winter routine, hence I'm bored and give you time you don't deserve.

5. I pity the people who have to put up with you in real life, you ignorant, bigoted, hateful, self absorbed, two-faced creep. 

Now answer my 2 previous questions: Did you make a Nick doll and are you on bipolar meds? 
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"Now answer my 2 previous questions: Did you make a Nick doll and are you on bipolar meds?"

      NO and NO.





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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

actually,golden goose the spelling of realise varies from place to place...just cos you yourself are of north american origin doesnt mean everyone else is....there is millions of pages of british/english text,literature with the spelling using an "s" and it is still used to this day.....same way as you fella's spell gray and we spell it "grey" and countless other variations on word spellings.




Almost forgot to get back to you on this having to deal with the douchebags.

Funny you should mention "Gray" and "Grey".

"Gray" was actually my Great-Grandmothers maiden name.  She lived in Vermont and of prominent heritage.  If you research these two family names, you will find that "Gray" is English and "Grey" is Scottish.

But, I digress.   
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GG -

This is a serious question, and I hope to get a serious response from you.

You bring up CG's historical record all the time.  He brings up his historical record all the time.  You say above he was hitting 60% year after year since 2008.

My question is simple.  For you and CG.  IF that is the case (and that is a big if), WHY DID HE HIT 60&?

After almost a year of seeing him "cap", and after almost a year of seeing his staking plan (none), and after almost  a year of seeing the randomness in his thought process for capping, and after almost a year of seeing some of the most ridiculous reasoning for taking picks (they are mad, I think the will be motivated etc) - how on earth can you think that any past success was anything but variance?

Do you think he has a natural talent to just randomly pick winners?

If someone came to me and said they win at 60%, and I asked how - and they presented a method that I totally disagreed with or never heard of or seemed absurd - but they could replicate it over time - I would have to listen and learn.  

But CG is just a random pick generator, random word generator, random stake generator.

I am curious how you can make a case that in CG's case any past success should be seen as a predictor of the future.

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Van:  First of all let's make this crystal clear that I am talking NCAAFB only when speaking of 60% for three years running.  I do not pull these numbers out of my azz, they are on record.

Remember getliquid and his picks from the Trailer Park?  He had one complete college football season where he must of been hitting at over 70% and then simply cleaned house in the Bowl Games.  But that was only one season.  CG had a full three or four year run of college football.  He was good at college football.  Very good.  Best I've ever seen here on covers running consecutive years.

It is proven, and there is no way I can defend CG, that he simply sukks at NFL, NBA, NCAABB, MLB and NHL.

Yes, and I had high hopes, I believed CG could use his NCAAFB capping ability to conquer other sport seasons.  Not going to happen.  CG lacks the maturity and discipline it takes to be a full-time "Pro".

Now, there is much more to the story but, let me just use your favorite phrase and simply say, this will not end well.



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Van:  First of all let's make this crystal clear that I am talking NCAAFB only when speaking of 60% for three years running.  I do not pull these numbers out of my azz, they are on record.

Remember getliquid and his picks from the Trailer Park?  He had one complete college football season where he must of been hitting at over 70% and then simply cleaned house in the Bowl Games.  But that was only one season.  CG had a full three or four year run of college football.  He was good at college football.  Very good.  Best I've ever seen here on covers running consecutive years.

It is proven, and there is no way I can defend CG, that he simply sukks at NFL, NBA, NCAABB, MLB and NHL.

Yes, and I had high hopes, I believed CG could use his NCAAFB capping ability to conquer other sport seasons.  Not going to happen.  CG lacks the maturity and discipline it takes to be a full-time "Pro".

Now, there is much more to the story but, let me just use your favorite phrase and simply say, this will not end well.




Wait, what?

Earlier in the thread, both you and CG were touting his ncaaf AND nfl records. I specifically remember CG saying that he is "better in nfl than ncaaf. 

Now he has a good ncaaf season and awful nfl season and now his past 3 years were only good in ncaaf?

Care to explain?
 
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Van:  First of all let's make this crystal clear that I am talking NCAAFB only when speaking of 60% for three years running.  I do not pull these numbers out of my azz, they are on record.

Remember getliquid and his picks from the Trailer Park?  He had one complete college football season where he must of been hitting at over 70% and then simply cleaned house in the Bowl Games.  But that was only one season.  CG had a full three or four year run of college football.  He was good at college football.  Very good.  Best I've ever seen here on covers running consecutive years.

It is proven, and there is no way I can defend CG, that he simply sukks at NFL, NBA, NCAABB, MLB and NHL.

Yes, and I had high hopes, I believed CG could use his NCAAFB capping ability to conquer other sport seasons.  Not going to happen.  CG lacks the maturity and discipline it takes to be a full-time "Pro".

Now, there is much more to the story but, let me just use your favorite phrase and simply say, this will not end well.




But you didnt answer the simple question.

Assuming that he has a history of NCAAF success (assumption) WHY IS HE GOOD AT NCAAF?

This is a question that even CG failed to answer several times in this thread.

I believe (maybe incorrectly) that if you cannot answer this, it is not repeatable.

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Van:  First of all let's make this crystal clear that I am talking NCAAFB only when speaking of 60% for three years running.  I do not pull these numbers out of my azz, they are on record.

Remember getliquid and his picks from the Trailer Park?  He had one complete college football season where he must of been hitting at over 70% and then simply cleaned house in the Bowl Games.  But that was only one season.  CG had a full three or four year run of college football.  He was good at college football.  Very good.  Best I've ever seen here on covers running consecutive years.

It is proven, and there is no way I can defend CG, that he simply sukks at NFL, NBA, NCAABB, MLB and NHL.

Yes, and I had high hopes, I believed CG could use his NCAAFB capping ability to conquer other sport seasons.  Not going to happen.  CG lacks the maturity and discipline it takes to be a full-time "Pro".

Now, there is much more to the story but, let me just use your favorite phrase and simply say, this will not end well.




Also, everything you just said about Nick not having the maturity/discipline is dead on and is something Vanzack and I said back in the very beginning of this thread. 

With that being said, you didn't help his discipline by encouraging his massive bet amounts after losses. (you can argue they weren't tilt amounts until your face turns blue, but it's a FACT the bet sizes were related to previous wins/losses)

It really doesn't sound like you have the discipline either to be giving the correct advice. (at least when it pertains to bet amounts) But then again, you obviously were never attempting to be a professional gambler, you were doing what you thought at the time was helping him. 

Hell, there was talk of a 26k play on the table which any sane person would have said was a disgustingly awful idea no matter what the bet was. But then again, I don't know the full story behind that. 
 
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I guess what I am getting at is....

Even if CG said he is good at NCAAF because he uses the color of the jersey to determine the winner - and had repeated this theory over and over - it would have to be taken seriously.

But he has proven (at least to my observations) that he has ZERO METHOD.  It is random.  The amount of picks per day are based on emotion and circumstances.  The stakes are random and based on circumstances.  If we are to believe his writeups for reasoning they are beyond juvenile (revenge, I believe....,   I think they will be fired up...., stupid nicknames etc).  He has never - to my knowledge - given a single writeup that added anything to a pick for any reader with an above average understanding of the sport or gambling.

So any intelligent outsider would write up these successful years of NCCAF as variance, luck, or maybe they dont truly exist (maybe they are exaggerated as folklore or that they were enhanced with other methods).  

Imagine this was a legitimate business and CG was looking for investors.  Can you imagine his pitch?  Anyone with a brain would be insulted.

Thats why I ask you - if he doesnt know why he wins (and clearly he doesnt) - and you dont know why he wins - why would anyone actually listen to anything he says?
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


But you didnt answer the simple question.

Assuming that he has a history of NCAAF success (assumption) WHY IS HE GOOD AT NCAAF?

This is a question that even CG failed to answer several times in this thread.

I believe (maybe incorrectly) that if you cannot answer this, it is not repeatable.



It couldn't be answered 531 pages ago, and even more evident now that it won't be answered, outside of an "I don't know".  


Goose, serious question.  Do you wear a cape?  Maybe not every day, all the time, but sometimes, do you wear a cape?  You strike me as a cape-wearer. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


But you didnt answer the simple question.

Assuming that he has a history of NCAAF success (assumption) WHY IS HE GOOD AT NCAAF?

This is a question that even CG failed to answer several times in this thread.

I believe (maybe incorrectly) that if you cannot answer this, it is not repeatable.




I can't answer the simple question because I honestly don't know the answer.  Obviously CG has SOME KIND of a ritual or a system he uses in NCAAFB.  You can't run at 60% for three years on luck alone that much I know for certain.  This is why I am stymied at why he can't transition this success to other sports.

Seriously Van, if I knew the simple answer I would be a billionaire.  I can give you Plus Dogs in Baseball and run at 55% for the season.  If I had to bet on NHL or NBA I would break my bankroll in four or five weeks.

Why?... I really do not know.


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Fair enough.

Something else for you to think about....

Making profit is what it is all about.  Not winning percentage.  I am sure we all agree on that.

Lets say CG went 60%.  There is still a very good chance that he would lose his whole bankroll.

There is a big difference in the patterns below for a guy like CG:

A.  WLWLWWLWLW

OR

B.  WWWWWWLLLL  and LLLLWWWWWW

CG will eventually hit a B pattern - and while still going 60% - be very likely to crash and burn.

Lets put a longer pattern together of 60%:

WWWWWWLLLLLLLLWWWWWW

What do you think happens there?  That is a "CG burns through 401K money and has nothing left" scenario - while still going 60%.

Just think about that.
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"Making profit is what it is all about.  Not winning percentage".

This is where I disagree with most gamblers.  I HATE flat-betting.  No matter what game or sport.

If I hit 3 one Unit W's in a row, my bet is going to two Units on the next game or Blackjack hand. 

Yeah, I know, Van does not believe in streaks.  But streaks happen in every form of gambling.  This is fact.  Streaks happen.  And when they do, especially when you are up with house money, it's time to press the envelope.
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So he says he's quitting the NFL, then proceeds to bet on the worst Monday Night game of the decade....   now he has a dime on the historically bad 76ers, basically because they have pride.   


I'm really surprised he made it this long
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





Almost forgot to get back to you on this having to deal with the douchebags.

Funny you should mention "Gray" and "Grey".

"Gray" was actually my Great-Grandmothers maiden name.  She lived in Vermont and of prominent heritage.  If you research these two family names, you will find that "Gray" is English and "Grey" is Scottish.

But, I digress.   



i was actually talking about the colour......but anyhoo,the point remains...i think we can all agree that different spellings of the same english words do exist in different parts of the globe..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

So he says he's quitting the NFL, then proceeds to bet on the worst Monday Night game of the decade....   now he has a dime on the historically bad 76ers, basically because they have pride.   


I'm really surprised he made it this long



...back to the nba again???...oh,well at least this way the end will arrive more quickly and painlessly i guess....no sport,and i mean NO SPORT,is more of a crapshoot than regular season nba basketball if you dont seriously,seriously know wat you are doing.........on a side-note im kinda digging the sixers here..hope they win or they mite be staring down the barrell of  0-82....



vanzack,to the points that you are making about his "methods",everything you say is pretty much correct...but sumthing we must also consider is that his entire approach/analysis/process and obviously staking "plan"(if that term can even be loosely used in this instance) has all altered and been thrown off-kilter when put under the blowtorch pressure of coming off losses and realising that his financial well-being depends on betting results.
its all interwoven of course,his emotional instability,immaturity and also his handicapping selections and is why he was warned sooooo often in the beginning.
but i guess the only point im tryna make is that,even tho i have no clue wat he has done to be successful in the past,i think there may well be something in his approach(when not under the duress of the current self-imposed situation),and if he was able to articulate in a basic human manner then maybe he could explain??

would you ever accept gut/feel as a legitimate method on its own if it worked over 3+ full seasons??..cos my guess is he just watches alot of football and goes primarily with wat his eyes tell him.

of course that doesnt seem sustainable for the long run but who knows.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:




...back to the nba again???...oh,well at least this way the end will arrive more quickly and painlessly i guess....no sport,and i mean NO SPORT,is more of a crapshoot than regular season nba basketball if you dont seriously,seriously know wat you are doing.........on a side-note im kinda digging the sixers here..hope they win or they mite be staring down the barrell of  0-82....



vanzack,to the points that you are making about his "methods",everything you say is pretty much correct...but sumthing we must also consider is that his entire approach/analysis/process and obviously staking "plan"(if that term can even be loosely used in this instance) has all altered and been thrown off-kilter when put under the blowtorch pressure of coming off losses and realising that his financial well-being depends on betting results.
its all interwoven of course,his emotional instability,immaturity and also his handicapping selections and is why he was warned sooooo often in the beginning.
but i guess the only point im tryna make is that,even tho i have no clue wat he has done to be successful in the past,i think there may well be something in his approach(when not under the duress of the current self-imposed situation),and if he was able to articulate in a basic human manner then maybe he could explain??

would you ever accept gut/feel as a legitimate method on its own if it worked over 3+ full seasons??..cos my guess is he just watches alot of football and goes primarily with wat his eyes tell him.

of course that doesnt seem sustainable for the long run but who knows.



I would absolutely accept gut feel as a legitimate method.  Obviously - the standards of legitimacy for a gut feel method would be harder than the standards of something more objective.  If someone said they picked 60% based on mascots, and could prove that over time - then you would have to accept it.

There are two issues:

CG and GG havent (to my knowledge) acknowledged that CG is a gut feel handicapper.

And...

I dont buy that CG is a "60% gut feel" NCAAF handicapper.

I could be proven wrong on both points - but I dont think I will be - and would be willing to bet straight up with anyone real money that CG couldnt go 60% over the course of 100 bets in any sport at any time.  I would even give 2-1 odds.

But that isnt even the main point...

The problem is that even if CG is a 60% gambler - he will never be profitable anyway.  And for GG to think anything differently - as an outsider - is nuts.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


I would absolutely accept gut feel as a legitimate method.  Obviously - the standards of legitimacy for a gut feel method would be harder than the standards of something more objective.  If someone said they picked 60% based on mascots, and could prove that over time - then you would have to accept it.

There are two issues:

CG and GG havent (to my knowledge) acknowledged that CG is a gut feel handicapper.

And...

I dont buy that CG is a "60% gut feel" NCAAF handicapper.

I could be proven wrong on both points - but I dont think I will be - and would be willing to bet straight up with anyone real money that CG couldnt go 60% over the course of 100 bets in any sport at any time.  I would even give 2-1 odds.

But that isnt even the main point...

The problem is that even if CG is a 60% gambler - he will never be profitable anyway.  And for GG to think anything differently - as an outsider - is nuts.

Let's stop this nonsense about picking 60%.  Putting CGs name with any real capper who picks 60% is an insult 

CG is a 50% capper and it will all be reflected by the end of the season

How did the narrative go from nfl being his 'cash cow' to cfb

Van love reading your posts but your question about how someone wins a % is unanswerable.  The talent of any gambler will be reflected in the winning % once the sample becomes significant, but to ask someone why they hit 60 vs 55 can just be luck.  No model can produce results that accurate. At best they can find 1-3 pt edges


 
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There is no doubt CG caps with his gut
He cannot spell the word analytics
The problem is his gut is shaped like a square


 
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Quote Originally Posted by jkjc:

There is no doubt CG caps with his gut
He cannot spell the word analytics
The problem is his gut is shaped like a square



 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:


I would absolutely accept gut feel as a legitimate method.  Obviously - the standards of legitimacy for a gut feel method would be harder than the standards of something more objective.  If someone said they picked 60% based on mascots, and could prove that over time - then you would have to accept it.

There are two issues:

CG and GG havent (to my knowledge) acknowledged that CG is a gut feel handicapper.

And...

I dont buy that CG is a "60% gut feel" NCAAF handicapper.

I could be proven wrong on both points - but I dont think I will be - and would be willing to bet straight up with anyone real money that CG couldnt go 60% over the course of 100 bets in any sport at any time.  I would even give 2-1 odds.

But that isnt even the main point...

The problem is that even if CG is a 60% gambler - he will never be profitable anyway.  And for GG to think anything differently - as an outsider - is nuts.

Wow!

2-1!!!

CG, you don't even need bankroll discipline to win this bet (your Achilles heel). If CG doesn't accept this bet, I don't want to hear about previous 60% hit-rate seasons! It's all on the table right here from Van to be verified with real money. This is an extraordinary offer.
 
 
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There is no doubt CG caps with his gut
He cannot spell the word analytics
The problem is his gut is shaped like a square



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