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    Which is more Profitable?

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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 8:57 AM ET #1

    Which is more advisable betting 1-2 games per day or 5-6. Is it harder to get a winning percentage with 5-6 because of the juice, or do you make less with less games because your % is based on fewer games?. So is like a 55% win rate over 100 game per month more profitable than over 30 games per month?
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    Which is more advisable betting 1-2 games per day or 5-6. Is it harder to get a winning percentage with 5-6 because of the juice, or do you make less with less games because your % is based on fewer games?. So is like a 55% win rate over 100 game per month more profitable than over 30 games per month?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 9:26 AM ET #2

    I think The juice with a 55% play will eat you up faster if you were
    playing 5-6 games a day as opposed to 1-2 games.


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    I think The juice with a 55% play will eat you up faster if you were
    playing 5-6 games a day as opposed to 1-2 games.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 10:49 AM ET #3

    Yeah thats what I was thinking
    Also I think its harder to hit 55% with more games, and I think its kind of the "Vegas syndrome", the more you play the more you loose.
    I mean you might hit the slots or some table games for some money, but OVER THE LONG run, you loose. "
    Just wanted to see what some of the "PROS" thought.
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    Yeah thats what I was thinking
    Also I think its harder to hit 55% with more games, and I think its kind of the "Vegas syndrome", the more you play the more you loose.
    I mean you might hit the slots or some table games for some money, but OVER THE LONG run, you loose. "
    Just wanted to see what some of the "PROS" thought.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 10:59 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeball:

    Which is more advisable betting 1-2 games per day or 5-6. Is it harder to get a winning percentage with 5-6 because of the juice, or do you make less with less games because your % is based on fewer games?. So is like a 55% win rate over 100 game per month more profitable than over 30 games per month?



    If your win rate is 55% and you know it's gonna be 55% you want to play as many games as possible.

    100 games at 55% win rate (with the standard -110 juice) is gonna give you 5.5 units won every 100 bets. (100 games, 55-45 record, 4.5 units lost on juice)

    30 games at 55% is gonna give you either a 16-14 record or 17-13 (depending on which way the half game went). If we figure the 17-13 that would give you 2.7 units won every 30 games bet.

    So if yo bet 100 games a month vs 30 games a month you will come out ahead with the more games.


    Now if your concern is keeping your win rate at 55% with the more games everything above this line is a moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeball:

    Which is more advisable betting 1-2 games per day or 5-6. Is it harder to get a winning percentage with 5-6 because of the juice, or do you make less with less games because your % is based on fewer games?. So is like a 55% win rate over 100 game per month more profitable than over 30 games per month?



    If your win rate is 55% and you know it's gonna be 55% you want to play as many games as possible.

    100 games at 55% win rate (with the standard -110 juice) is gonna give you 5.5 units won every 100 bets. (100 games, 55-45 record, 4.5 units lost on juice)

    30 games at 55% is gonna give you either a 16-14 record or 17-13 (depending on which way the half game went). If we figure the 17-13 that would give you 2.7 units won every 30 games bet.

    So if yo bet 100 games a month vs 30 games a month you will come out ahead with the more games.


    Now if your concern is keeping your win rate at 55% with the more games everything above this line is a moot point.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 11:08 AM ET #5

    MOST PROS PLAY 1000-3000 GAMES A YEAR EXPECTING A SMALL 2-4% PROFIT ON THE DOLLAR. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT A HIGH WINNING PCT. BUT HOW MANY UNITS THEY WIN.
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    MOST PROS PLAY 1000-3000 GAMES A YEAR EXPECTING A SMALL 2-4% PROFIT ON THE DOLLAR. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT A HIGH WINNING PCT. BUT HOW MANY UNITS THEY WIN.
     
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    MOST PROS PLAY 1000-3000 GAMES A YEAR EXPECTING A SMALL 2-4% PROFIT ON THE DOLLAR. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT A HIGH WINNING PCT. BUT HOW MANY UNITS THEY WIN.

    Understood,  but what makes you think you can hit 55% of 3,000 games. Its  harder to pick 55% against 3,000 games than 55% against 300 games.

    I mean there are too many bad calls and weird things that happen. The odds are against you to begin with -110 to win 100.

    Its just like vegas you might have a winning streak but after time the odds get to you.

    Most "professionals" are scammer touts on the net

     

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    MOST PROS PLAY 1000-3000 GAMES A YEAR EXPECTING A SMALL 2-4% PROFIT ON THE DOLLAR. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT A HIGH WINNING PCT. BUT HOW MANY UNITS THEY WIN.

    Understood,  but what makes you think you can hit 55% of 3,000 games. Its  harder to pick 55% against 3,000 games than 55% against 300 games.

    I mean there are too many bad calls and weird things that happen. The odds are against you to begin with -110 to win 100.

    Its just like vegas you might have a winning streak but after time the odds get to you.

    Most "professionals" are scammer touts on the net

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 11:55 AM ET #7

    YOU DON,T HAVE TO HIT 55% OVER 3000 GAMES.HITTING JUST 53% WILL YIELD YOU +39 UNITS IN A YEAR. HITTING 58% OVER 300 GAMES =+35 UNITS IN A YEAR.
    WHATS EASIER TO HIT 53% OR 58%?
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    YOU DON,T HAVE TO HIT 55% OVER 3000 GAMES.HITTING JUST 53% WILL YIELD YOU +39 UNITS IN A YEAR. HITTING 58% OVER 300 GAMES =+35 UNITS IN A YEAR.
    WHATS EASIER TO HIT 53% OR 58%?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 7:08 PM ET #8

    Hey sambuca, what about the daily risk???
     
    Capping 3000 games is 8.2 games per day, risking an average 9 units each day. Your example has that after a year your up 39 units . SO to me you have 25% of yearly winnings risked each day
     
    But the 300 game example at +35 units, has a daily risk of 1.1 unit or risking 3% of years winnings each day.
     
    AND a whole lot less capping.
     
    as to whats "easier", 53% wins of 3000 plays or 58% of 3000 plays.
     
    About the same to me, both very difficult.
     
    I just like having less exposure per day, so i go with less picks over more.
     
     
     
     
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    Hey sambuca, what about the daily risk???
     
    Capping 3000 games is 8.2 games per day, risking an average 9 units each day. Your example has that after a year your up 39 units . SO to me you have 25% of yearly winnings risked each day
     
    But the 300 game example at +35 units, has a daily risk of 1.1 unit or risking 3% of years winnings each day.
     
    AND a whole lot less capping.
     
    as to whats "easier", 53% wins of 3000 plays or 58% of 3000 plays.
     
    About the same to me, both very difficult.
     
    I just like having less exposure per day, so i go with less picks over more.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2009 - 7:09 PM ET #9

    as to whats "easier", 53% wins of 3000 plays or 58% of 300 plays
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    as to whats "easier", 53% wins of 3000 plays or 58% of 300 plays
     
     
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    "But the 300 game example at +35 units, has a daily risk of 1.1 unit or risking 3% of years winnings each day."
     
    mathematically 300 picks per year is actually only risking .9 units per day average  (300/365)  *1.1 (bet and juice)  = .9
     
    ps: recommend people check out the recently reposted thread from "VANZACK" on lowering the juice.
     
     
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    "But the 300 game example at +35 units, has a daily risk of 1.1 unit or risking 3% of years winnings each day."
     
    mathematically 300 picks per year is actually only risking .9 units per day average  (300/365)  *1.1 (bet and juice)  = .9
     
    ps: recommend people check out the recently reposted thread from "VANZACK" on lowering the juice.
     
     
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