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    O/U, Don't Overthink It Strategy

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    PatrickBateman
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2009 - 4:10 PM ET #1

    I have been doing this for the past week, nothing special, but really good results...I started posting plays last night in NCAAB, but it works for NBA also...thought maybe it belongs here...
     
    Last night -
     
    Weber St vs Sacremento St ------->  OVER 133

    Oregon vs Stanford ---------->  UNDER 148.5 

    Overall : 1-1
     
    Tonights Plays -
     
    Clev vs GS ------> Under 216
     
    Houston vs Indiana ------> Over 209
     
    Nothing looks good to me in NCAAB, so just NBA tonight.
     
    Do not have time right now to explain, but will come back after work to sort of lay out the guidelines of what I am doing....
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I have been doing this for the past week, nothing special, but really good results...I started posting plays last night in NCAAB, but it works for NBA also...thought maybe it belongs here...
     
    Last night -
     
    Weber St vs Sacremento St ------->  OVER 133

    Oregon vs Stanford ---------->  UNDER 148.5 

    Overall : 1-1
     
    Tonights Plays -
     
    Clev vs GS ------> Under 216
     
    Houston vs Indiana ------> Over 209
     
    Nothing looks good to me in NCAAB, so just NBA tonight.
     
    Do not have time right now to explain, but will come back after work to sort of lay out the guidelines of what I am doing....
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
    BOL ALL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 10:50 AM ET #2

    Last Night: 1-0-1
     
    Overall: 2-1-1
     
    Sorry, still have not had time to explain, but two quick plays
     
    Duke vs Maryland --------> Under 141.5
     
    Niagara vs Siena ---------> Under 154
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
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    Last Night: 1-0-1
     
    Overall: 2-1-1
     
    Sorry, still have not had time to explain, but two quick plays
     
    Duke vs Maryland --------> Under 141.5
     
    Niagara vs Siena ---------> Under 154
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
    BOL ALL
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 4:56 PM ET #3

    Overall: 4-1-1

    Hit both those afternoon picks...for the late afternoon I am playing

    Southern Illinois vs Illinois St ---------> Over 127

    Western Carolina vs Appalachian St --------> Over 148.5

    Fade of Follow your choice...
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    Overall: 4-1-1

    Hit both those afternoon picks...for the late afternoon I am playing

    Southern Illinois vs Illinois St ---------> Over 127

    Western Carolina vs Appalachian St --------> Over 148.5

    Fade of Follow your choice...
    BOL ALL



     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 9:02 PM ET #4

    Adding:

    Western Kentucky vs Denver U -----> Over 117.5

    Manhattan vs Iona ------> Over 127.5

    Tennesse Tech vs Tennesse St --------> Under 151

    Wizards vs Pacers ---------> Under 192.5

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    Adding:

    Western Kentucky vs Denver U -----> Over 117.5

    Manhattan vs Iona ------> Over 127.5

    Tennesse Tech vs Tennesse St --------> Under 151

    Wizards vs Pacers ---------> Under 192.5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2009 - 1:16 PM ET #5

    Yesterday: 5-3
     
    Overall: 7-4-1
     
    Todays Plays-
     
    Rhode Island vs George W ---------> Over 145.5
     
    Florida vs Vanderbilt ----------> Under 134.5
     
    Bobcats vs Pacers ---------> Under 200
     
    Bulls vs Timberwolves -------> Under 207
     
     
    Not sure if anyone cares, but I fnally have time to lay out what I have been doing quickly...
     
    This is not a "system" or anything just a strategy that makes picking Over/Unders simple....I call it my "Don't Overthink It Stategy"
     
    Essentially, after betting for a few years now, I have come to realize that myself as well as others overthink their plays way way too much....There are so many variables to a game that trying to cap each and everyone is impossible / distracting and leads to bad picks.
     
    Thus, it is my belief that to be successful you must choose only a few factors of a game and make a decision based on those...I am starting to concentrate my efforts 90% on Over/Unders and sort of thought up this strategy.
     
    My strategy is simple, I look at the Total set by Vegas for the game and then compare it to where the Totals have been set for wach team throughout the season...Unless there is a definitive advantage to either the over or under, it is a no play...I also factor in previous meetings.
     
    Really all I am doing is playing Vegas against itself...I am looking to find times they repeadetly overestimate totals or underestimate them for teams...
     
    There is no clear formula for me to lay out, I go by feel and what the numbers tell me...For example, the inspiration for this came to me a few weeks ago when the Knicks played the Celtics...It seemed everyone on covers was on the OVER
     
    However, I noticed that the Celtics only saw a Total of 200+ a few times previous to this game and each of those few times they went under...Thus, the under is the play and it won...Since then I have not had a losing night working within my guidelines....So I thought I would share it with everyone...
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
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    Yesterday: 5-3
     
    Overall: 7-4-1
     
    Todays Plays-
     
    Rhode Island vs George W ---------> Over 145.5
     
    Florida vs Vanderbilt ----------> Under 134.5
     
    Bobcats vs Pacers ---------> Under 200
     
    Bulls vs Timberwolves -------> Under 207
     
     
    Not sure if anyone cares, but I fnally have time to lay out what I have been doing quickly...
     
    This is not a "system" or anything just a strategy that makes picking Over/Unders simple....I call it my "Don't Overthink It Stategy"
     
    Essentially, after betting for a few years now, I have come to realize that myself as well as others overthink their plays way way too much....There are so many variables to a game that trying to cap each and everyone is impossible / distracting and leads to bad picks.
     
    Thus, it is my belief that to be successful you must choose only a few factors of a game and make a decision based on those...I am starting to concentrate my efforts 90% on Over/Unders and sort of thought up this strategy.
     
    My strategy is simple, I look at the Total set by Vegas for the game and then compare it to where the Totals have been set for wach team throughout the season...Unless there is a definitive advantage to either the over or under, it is a no play...I also factor in previous meetings.
     
    Really all I am doing is playing Vegas against itself...I am looking to find times they repeadetly overestimate totals or underestimate them for teams...
     
    There is no clear formula for me to lay out, I go by feel and what the numbers tell me...For example, the inspiration for this came to me a few weeks ago when the Knicks played the Celtics...It seemed everyone on covers was on the OVER
     
    However, I noticed that the Celtics only saw a Total of 200+ a few times previous to this game and each of those few times they went under...Thus, the under is the play and it won...Since then I have not had a losing night working within my guidelines....So I thought I would share it with everyone...
     
    Fade of Follow your choice...
    BOL ALL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2009 - 1:27 PM ET #6

    interesting
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    interesting
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2009 - 1:58 PM ET #7

    You are so right about the overthinking...
    Good point and good luck!
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    You are so right about the overthinking...
    Good point and good luck!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2009 - 10:57 PM ET #8

    Patrick:
     
    I respect you for what you are trying to do BUT
    IT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GIVE
    A SYSTEM WITHOUT DEFINING CRITERIA.
    How many games should you not see the Celtics games total
    over 200 and for what period of time.
    It sounds like this is just a gut feeling, clumping totals,
    this is what I feel system which really is not any system at all.
    The problem is 10 different people here can come up with differents sides from what you are saying.
    TOO SUBJECTIVE. NEED MORE OBJECTIVITY. 
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    Patrick:
     
    I respect you for what you are trying to do BUT
    IT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GIVE
    A SYSTEM WITHOUT DEFINING CRITERIA.
    How many games should you not see the Celtics games total
    over 200 and for what period of time.
    It sounds like this is just a gut feeling, clumping totals,
    this is what I feel system which really is not any system at all.
    The problem is 10 different people here can come up with differents sides from what you are saying.
    TOO SUBJECTIVE. NEED MORE OBJECTIVITY. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2009 - 3:32 PM ET #9

    Yesterday: 2-2

    Overall: 9-6-1

    Todays Plays-

    Atlanta Hawks vs Miami Heat ----------> Under 192.5

    NJ Nets vs OKC Thunder -----------> Under 204

    Fairfield vs Manhattan --------> Over 131

    Citadel vs Samford -----------> Over 119

    Still have not had a losing night...I was way way way off on the Florida game, got lucky on providence with OT, and Unlucky with OT in the Bulls game, so I am okay with a 50% day.

    I have also decided to add another dimension to what I am doing...I am going to be doing 2 Total parlays...I know I know I know, everyone is going to tell me how horrible parlays are...Remember:

    1) I am only betting real money on my non-parlayed plays, so this is just a test of if it could be profitable

    2) Betting 2 side total parlays pays 1u = 2.6......Based on that, hitting 1 out of every 3 parlays is profitable...I think with how I have been doing I can hit at least 1 out of every 3 or 33.3%

    Tonights Parlays-

    Hawks/Heat Under + Nets/Thunder Under= 1 unit ----> 2.6 units

    Fairfield/Man Over + Citadel/Samford Over= 1 unit ----> 2.6 units





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    Yesterday: 2-2

    Overall: 9-6-1

    Todays Plays-

    Atlanta Hawks vs Miami Heat ----------> Under 192.5

    NJ Nets vs OKC Thunder -----------> Under 204

    Fairfield vs Manhattan --------> Over 131

    Citadel vs Samford -----------> Over 119

    Still have not had a losing night...I was way way way off on the Florida game, got lucky on providence with OT, and Unlucky with OT in the Bulls game, so I am okay with a 50% day.

    I have also decided to add another dimension to what I am doing...I am going to be doing 2 Total parlays...I know I know I know, everyone is going to tell me how horrible parlays are...Remember:

    1) I am only betting real money on my non-parlayed plays, so this is just a test of if it could be profitable

    2) Betting 2 side total parlays pays 1u = 2.6......Based on that, hitting 1 out of every 3 parlays is profitable...I think with how I have been doing I can hit at least 1 out of every 3 or 33.3%

    Tonights Parlays-

    Hawks/Heat Under + Nets/Thunder Under= 1 unit ----> 2.6 units

    Fairfield/Man Over + Citadel/Samford Over= 1 unit ----> 2.6 units





     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2009 - 3:38 PM ET #10

    DiverRon,

    Appreciate your response/comments....However, I think you may have misread what I wrote or perhaps I mislead you in how I wrote it...However, I do believe that I pointed out in the first sentence that I was not offering a "system".....Instead I was quick to point out that this is a STRATEGY....a strategy by which to make picks, thus having concrete formulaic ways to pick games would be impossible.

    This part of the covers forum is entitled "Systems and Strategies" so I hope this being here does not offend you in anyway...but once again I think you are missing the point of what I am presenting...

    Like I pointed out in my posts "Fade of Follow your choice..."

    I shall allow my record to speak for itself...BOL to you



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    DiverRon,

    Appreciate your response/comments....However, I think you may have misread what I wrote or perhaps I mislead you in how I wrote it...However, I do believe that I pointed out in the first sentence that I was not offering a "system".....Instead I was quick to point out that this is a STRATEGY....a strategy by which to make picks, thus having concrete formulaic ways to pick games would be impossible.

    This part of the covers forum is entitled "Systems and Strategies" so I hope this being here does not offend you in anyway...but once again I think you are missing the point of what I am presenting...

    Like I pointed out in my posts "Fade of Follow your choice..."

    I shall allow my record to speak for itself...BOL to you



     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2009 - 6:53 PM ET #11

    I like this play:
     
    Citadel vs Samford -----------> Over 119
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    I like this play:
     
    Citadel vs Samford -----------> Over 119
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2009 - 2:29 AM ET #12

    Lots of College games going under lately, huh?
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    Lots of College games going under lately, huh?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2009 - 1:40 PM ET #13

    Yesterday: 2-2

    Overall: 11-8-1

    Parlays: 1-1  (+1.6)

    Lots of plays tonight, have been doing great in NBA, not so much in NCAAB, but let's see how it goes tonight...Lots of Unders make me nervous

    Todays Plays-

    Kings vs Cavs -------> Under 204

    Pacers vs Magic ---------> Under 215

    E.Michigan vs Kent ---------> Under 125

    Buffalo vs W. Michigan -------> Under 126.5

    Delaware vs GMason --------> Over 132

    Austin Peay vs E. Kentucky ---------> Over 146.5

    Air Force vs Wyoming -----------> Under 133

    Texas vs Baylor ---------> Under 146.5


    Tonights Parlays- (all bet 1u to win 2.6 u)

    Magic/Pacers Under + Austin Peay/Eastern Kentucky Over

    E.Mich/Kent Under + Buffalo/W.Mich Under

    Cavs/Sac Under + Delaware/Gmason Over

    Air/Wyoming Under + Texas/Baylor Under


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    Yesterday: 2-2

    Overall: 11-8-1

    Parlays: 1-1  (+1.6)

    Lots of plays tonight, have been doing great in NBA, not so much in NCAAB, but let's see how it goes tonight...Lots of Unders make me nervous

    Todays Plays-

    Kings vs Cavs -------> Under 204

    Pacers vs Magic ---------> Under 215

    E.Michigan vs Kent ---------> Under 125

    Buffalo vs W. Michigan -------> Under 126.5

    Delaware vs GMason --------> Over 132

    Austin Peay vs E. Kentucky ---------> Over 146.5

    Air Force vs Wyoming -----------> Under 133

    Texas vs Baylor ---------> Under 146.5


    Tonights Parlays- (all bet 1u to win 2.6 u)

    Magic/Pacers Under + Austin Peay/Eastern Kentucky Over

    E.Mich/Kent Under + Buffalo/W.Mich Under

    Cavs/Sac Under + Delaware/Gmason Over

    Air/Wyoming Under + Texas/Baylor Under


     
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