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    do chasers work for sportsbooks?

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    sambuca frank
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2009 - 9:01 PM ET #1

    by living in las vegas , i know that the books love chasers.
     
    is it possible that the reason there are so many chasers in this forum is that they could be affiliated with a book?
     
    i am not here to bash chasers. in fact i like some of there methods.
     
    just some food for thought!!!
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    by living in las vegas , i know that the books love chasers.
     
    is it possible that the reason there are so many chasers in this forum is that they could be affiliated with a book?
     
    i am not here to bash chasers. in fact i like some of there methods.
     
    just some food for thought!!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2009 - 12:36 AM ET #2

    this is one thread that i thought would get attention!! now i see why!!!
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    this is one thread that i thought would get attention!! now i see why!!!
     
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    I remember seeing this thread frank, I thought it would get some kind of comment as well.
    Back then, I was merely a newbie on the forums here for less than 2 months, so I really didn't have any experience on the subject to make a good comment.
    Now, as an almost 4 month veteran of this forum, I can comfortably say.. ah, hell, yeah I couldn't get through that sentence without laughing out loud, HaHa

    Like it says, I am only a 4 month NEWBIE still on this forum, so I really still don't have much experience to make a good comment on your statement. I have heard that before, that Chasers will always end up broke in the end. Hell, I still hear it everyday..

    I always believed if the Chase was done smartly, then there was, indeed, a way to make it work. With the proper Systems and Bankroll Management I feel I can make anything I want work. The hardest part is sticking to the game plan.

    I think the majority of Amateurs blindly enter into a Chase program not really understanding what they are doing, and because of this ultimately go broke. They lack patience and become frustrasted. And, well, this is obviously what fuels the Gambling community.. the Amateur with more money than brains.


    Maybe this'll help get a few comments here? I'd be interested, as I know frank would too, in hearing some others thoughts 


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    I remember seeing this thread frank, I thought it would get some kind of comment as well.
    Back then, I was merely a newbie on the forums here for less than 2 months, so I really didn't have any experience on the subject to make a good comment.
    Now, as an almost 4 month veteran of this forum, I can comfortably say.. ah, hell, yeah I couldn't get through that sentence without laughing out loud, HaHa

    Like it says, I am only a 4 month NEWBIE still on this forum, so I really still don't have much experience to make a good comment on your statement. I have heard that before, that Chasers will always end up broke in the end. Hell, I still hear it everyday..

    I always believed if the Chase was done smartly, then there was, indeed, a way to make it work. With the proper Systems and Bankroll Management I feel I can make anything I want work. The hardest part is sticking to the game plan.

    I think the majority of Amateurs blindly enter into a Chase program not really understanding what they are doing, and because of this ultimately go broke. They lack patience and become frustrasted. And, well, this is obviously what fuels the Gambling community.. the Amateur with more money than brains.


    Maybe this'll help get a few comments here? I'd be interested, as I know frank would too, in hearing some others thoughts 


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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2009 - 1:52 AM ET #4

    Long term... proper MM will overcome any short term losses of a bad run if your plays are statistically proven to win at high % over a long period of time.
     
    That said, alot of guys are happy when they win their A bets and feel like they are ontop of the world... When you decide to play any chase systems that you have faith/confidence in, you got to be thankfull you win at game A level but also have to be prepared to go all the way. Don't play a chase system if you're going to back out halfway through a chase, if you do then you're MM is no good and you deserve to loose. I learned the hardway, had a really bad week and adapted since then.
     
     
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    Long term... proper MM will overcome any short term losses of a bad run if your plays are statistically proven to win at high % over a long period of time.
     
    That said, alot of guys are happy when they win their A bets and feel like they are ontop of the world... When you decide to play any chase systems that you have faith/confidence in, you got to be thankfull you win at game A level but also have to be prepared to go all the way. Don't play a chase system if you're going to back out halfway through a chase, if you do then you're MM is no good and you deserve to loose. I learned the hardway, had a really bad week and adapted since then.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2009 - 7:26 PM ET #5

    i've decided that i am not getting across by the wording of this thread.
     
    do private individuals hire people to post their chasing systems in this forum? is kreature,toms people,prof8 etc, all the same people.?
     
    i enjoy all their threads but i feel i'm missing something..
    the people in sbr forum can send people to the moon  with their heavy math.
    is all this a  shit scam?
    or is it for real?
     
    ( this thread is for old timers only) just kidding!!!
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    i've decided that i am not getting across by the wording of this thread.
     
    do private individuals hire people to post their chasing systems in this forum? is kreature,toms people,prof8 etc, all the same people.?
     
    i enjoy all their threads but i feel i'm missing something..
    the people in sbr forum can send people to the moon  with their heavy math.
    is all this a  shit scam?
    or is it for real?
     
    ( this thread is for old timers only) just kidding!!!
     
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    No, the ones that post these chases are trying to drum up business for thierselves.
     
    But some such as JM has a fairly large network of people that get commision everytime they sell a JM system.
     
    It plays into the books hands quite nicely.  They know most will wager way too much of thier bankroll and tap quite quickly.  Then the cycle will start all over again.
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    No, the ones that post these chases are trying to drum up business for thierselves.
     
    But some such as JM has a fairly large network of people that get commision everytime they sell a JM system.
     
    It plays into the books hands quite nicely.  They know most will wager way too much of thier bankroll and tap quite quickly.  Then the cycle will start all over again.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2009 - 11:35 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    No, the ones that post these chases are trying to drum up business for thierselves.
     
    But some such as JM has a fairly large network of people that get commision everytime they sell a JM system.
     
    It plays into the books hands quite nicely.  They know most will wager way too much of thier bankroll and tap quite quickly.  Then the cycle will start all over again.




    Mr. Lipps

    What cycle are you talking about ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    No, the ones that post these chases are trying to drum up business for thierselves.
     
    But some such as JM has a fairly large network of people that get commision everytime they sell a JM system.
     
    It plays into the books hands quite nicely.  They know most will wager way too much of thier bankroll and tap quite quickly.  Then the cycle will start all over again.




    Mr. Lipps

    What cycle are you talking about ?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicano1:





    Mr. Lipps

    What cycle are you talking about ?

    People wagering a high percantage of thier bankroll on games, then tapping out quickly.  Instead of doing between 1.5%-2.5% of thier bankroll. Then they make another deposit and and do the same thing all over again. Time after time.

    Poor money management just kills most.

    I don't think all are just trying to drum up business, but you can tell who is and who are not.  Such as Toms people and Sportsnetwork seem to just do it for the challenge.  Well Sportsnetwork actually isn't chasing, he is using some detailed stats which, BTW I really like what he is doing.

    But anyway, the ones that send you e-mails about hundreds of dollars for systems.  Yeah, those are the ones that will have the comission networks and such.   Guys like PSIC has chase systems that are paid, but he is more of a come to me type of guy. 

    But bottom line, books love chase systems.  In fact they love all type of system players.  Because 99.9% of people don't have the will power to be in for the long haul.

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    Mr. Lipps

    What cycle are you talking about ?

    People wagering a high percantage of thier bankroll on games, then tapping out quickly.  Instead of doing between 1.5%-2.5% of thier bankroll. Then they make another deposit and and do the same thing all over again. Time after time.

    Poor money management just kills most.

    I don't think all are just trying to drum up business, but you can tell who is and who are not.  Such as Toms people and Sportsnetwork seem to just do it for the challenge.  Well Sportsnetwork actually isn't chasing, he is using some detailed stats which, BTW I really like what he is doing.

    But anyway, the ones that send you e-mails about hundreds of dollars for systems.  Yeah, those are the ones that will have the comission networks and such.   Guys like PSIC has chase systems that are paid, but he is more of a come to me type of guy. 

    But bottom line, books love chase systems.  In fact they love all type of system players.  Because 99.9% of people don't have the will power to be in for the long haul.

     
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    thank you lipps, you made my day!!!
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    thank you lipps, you made my day!!!
     
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    So.. if someone does have the will power and MM skills the chase would work?
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    So.. if someone does have the will power and MM skills the chase would work?
     
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    There are some that have worked for years and then one year it just  your bankroll.
     
    Chasing is very risky and when you end up on a 3rd or 4th game of a chase you are risking a huge number of units to win just one. You can use the Labouchere method to help out somewhat.  But there will come a time that you will pay the piper. It may be a year or may be 5 years.
     
     
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    There are some that have worked for years and then one year it just  your bankroll.
     
    Chasing is very risky and when you end up on a 3rd or 4th game of a chase you are risking a huge number of units to win just one. You can use the Labouchere method to help out somewhat.  But there will come a time that you will pay the piper. It may be a year or may be 5 years.
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    There are some that have worked for years and then one year it just  your bankroll.
     
    Chasing is very risky and when you end up on a 3rd or 4th game of a chase you are risking a huge number of units to win just one. You can use the Labouchere method to help out somewhat.  But there will come a time that you will pay the piper. It may be a year or may be 5 years.
     
     

     

    I think this is a wise post, chasing does work, but with the random way of things you will run through a streak of 2-3 losses in a row. After that your bankroll gets wiped out, due to the great amount of units risked.

    Take for example Jm last year in  MLB it lost like 3 games in a row.

    Now he claims that he tested this and can go 500 games without a lose?.

    The thing being with risking 20 units per chase 3 losses wipes out 60% of your bankroll.

    I really dont know about when the looses will come, but I dont think anyone could afford  loose more than 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:

    There are some that have worked for years and then one year it just  your bankroll.
     
    Chasing is very risky and when you end up on a 3rd or 4th game of a chase you are risking a huge number of units to win just one. You can use the Labouchere method to help out somewhat.  But there will come a time that you will pay the piper. It may be a year or may be 5 years.
     
     

     

    I think this is a wise post, chasing does work, but with the random way of things you will run through a streak of 2-3 losses in a row. After that your bankroll gets wiped out, due to the great amount of units risked.

    Take for example Jm last year in  MLB it lost like 3 games in a row.

    Now he claims that he tested this and can go 500 games without a lose?.

    The thing being with risking 20 units per chase 3 losses wipes out 60% of your bankroll.

    I really dont know about when the looses will come, but I dont think anyone could afford  loose more than 3

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