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    College Basketball - A system to consider

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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 6:44 PM ET #1

    I do love CBB - GO VCU Rams - class of 87'.  What are the key indicators in a CBB Game - some would say free thows, defense, points scored etc. I have broken in out into 5 things - High Assists, low turnovers, great defense, rank and schedule strength. The other thing to remember is - home and away means something - so you need to use data that breaks it out into home and away. Websites you need to become familiar with - Statfox.com, Sagarin, donbest.com . Here is a step by step:

    1. Go to Donbest .com and get the opening lines - use them b/c injuries, issues, home away, public perception, is all in that opening line. If there is a big shift maybe something is up but early on in the season line moves - don't get too worried.

    2. Print the lines out.

    3. Go to Stat fox and click on ncaab, look at assists and the turnover columns for home teams. What your trying to do is figure out if the home team has a + or - assist to turnover ratio - for example - 15 assists   12 turnovers is +.  

    4. Do the same for Away teams - simply writing down + or -. 

    5. Now click on Defense statistics - all we want to do is find out what each team allows as a shooting percentage on defense 3rd column over - write that down. for both home and away - don't use all - use home and away - if it is a tournament - use away stats.

    6. Go to google and look up sagarin - he is associated with usa today - write down his rank and his schedule strength number.

    7. So looking at the game tonite ( had to use Last years data - it is still relevant but don't go crazy - wait a week as more current data becomes available)

    Liberty                              -   195   259    41%

    Tex A&M (o.line 18.5 pts)  +   44     65     40%

    8. What we have here is Tex A&M opened up as a 18.5 favorite and had a positive  assist to turnover ratio  with a sagrin rank of 44 and a sked strenght of 65 and allowed their oppenets to shoot 40% when at home. Liberty on the road did the above. 

    Simply looking at this game - Tex am should wipe them up - hold up - don't click on tex am so fast. continue reading.

    9. Labeling the team - or + allows you to categorize the teams into 4 categories either            - +  ; - - ; + -; + +   

    10.  I record things in a spreadsheet and my spreadsheet would look like this.

      -    A                     WS    WS        WD

       +  B 18.5              BS     BS          BD

    BS = Better Sagarin  WS = Worst sasgrin   BD = Better defense WD = worst defense

    11. Then based on the categorical situation and the opening line you can let history indicate for a particular situation what team to take. What that means is - you have to record this information and record the scores and what occurred. Yes it is a pain but worth it.

    12. So for example - based on this situation -/+  with the home team being favored by 18.5 pts history has shown that the away team is a good bet - thus take liberty.  Once again, beginning of the season and using last years data - go easy.

    13. If you have a situation where things are tied - number of assists or shooting percentage defense - avoid the game - it's hard to determine a spread winner - thus avoid. 

    14. I like Lehigh in the f/half as well only b/c history has indicated they should cover... like teams before them.

    Any questions let me know. I have data since 2006 but recently began putting it in a spreadsheet - i suggest you do the same.

    Good luck all

    TB

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    I do love CBB - GO VCU Rams - class of 87'.  What are the key indicators in a CBB Game - some would say free thows, defense, points scored etc. I have broken in out into 5 things - High Assists, low turnovers, great defense, rank and schedule strength. The other thing to remember is - home and away means something - so you need to use data that breaks it out into home and away. Websites you need to become familiar with - Statfox.com, Sagarin, donbest.com . Here is a step by step:

    1. Go to Donbest .com and get the opening lines - use them b/c injuries, issues, home away, public perception, is all in that opening line. If there is a big shift maybe something is up but early on in the season line moves - don't get too worried.

    2. Print the lines out.

    3. Go to Stat fox and click on ncaab, look at assists and the turnover columns for home teams. What your trying to do is figure out if the home team has a + or - assist to turnover ratio - for example - 15 assists   12 turnovers is +.  

    4. Do the same for Away teams - simply writing down + or -. 

    5. Now click on Defense statistics - all we want to do is find out what each team allows as a shooting percentage on defense 3rd column over - write that down. for both home and away - don't use all - use home and away - if it is a tournament - use away stats.

    6. Go to google and look up sagarin - he is associated with usa today - write down his rank and his schedule strength number.

    7. So looking at the game tonite ( had to use Last years data - it is still relevant but don't go crazy - wait a week as more current data becomes available)

    Liberty                              -   195   259    41%

    Tex A&M (o.line 18.5 pts)  +   44     65     40%

    8. What we have here is Tex A&M opened up as a 18.5 favorite and had a positive  assist to turnover ratio  with a sagrin rank of 44 and a sked strenght of 65 and allowed their oppenets to shoot 40% when at home. Liberty on the road did the above. 

    Simply looking at this game - Tex am should wipe them up - hold up - don't click on tex am so fast. continue reading.

    9. Labeling the team - or + allows you to categorize the teams into 4 categories either            - +  ; - - ; + -; + +   

    10.  I record things in a spreadsheet and my spreadsheet would look like this.

      -    A                     WS    WS        WD

       +  B 18.5              BS     BS          BD

    BS = Better Sagarin  WS = Worst sasgrin   BD = Better defense WD = worst defense

    11. Then based on the categorical situation and the opening line you can let history indicate for a particular situation what team to take. What that means is - you have to record this information and record the scores and what occurred. Yes it is a pain but worth it.

    12. So for example - based on this situation -/+  with the home team being favored by 18.5 pts history has shown that the away team is a good bet - thus take liberty.  Once again, beginning of the season and using last years data - go easy.

    13. If you have a situation where things are tied - number of assists or shooting percentage defense - avoid the game - it's hard to determine a spread winner - thus avoid. 

    14. I like Lehigh in the f/half as well only b/c history has indicated they should cover... like teams before them.

    Any questions let me know. I have data since 2006 but recently began putting it in a spreadsheet - i suggest you do the same.

    Good luck all

    TB

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #2

    I was very much on the plus side....made notes about things to be aware of....there is continuing process improvement and i write notes down. if a scenario goes one way then another i write that down a something to avoid. I don't have a long string like some - i just don't have time....it takes work to write these things down - get the information and sort it out...it's worth it though.

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    I was very much on the plus side....made notes about things to be aware of....there is continuing process improvement and i write notes down. if a scenario goes one way then another i write that down a something to avoid. I don't have a long string like some - i just don't have time....it takes work to write these things down - get the information and sort it out...it's worth it though.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 8:16 PM ET #3

    I guess my current record is 1-0  u go lehigh...thanks sportz - good luck to you.
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    I guess my current record is 1-0  u go lehigh...thanks sportz - good luck to you.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:34 AM ET #4

    good stuff, thanks buddah
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 2:52 AM ET #5

    what are plays for today
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 5:34 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:

    I guess my current record is 1-0  u go lehigh...thanks sportz - good luck to you.

    Liberty woulda covered on a 18.5 spread as well...

    Are you counting, Lehigh first half as a win ... as you said or for the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:

    I guess my current record is 1-0  u go lehigh...thanks sportz - good luck to you.

    Liberty woulda covered on a 18.5 spread as well...

    Are you counting, Lehigh first half as a win ... as you said or for the game?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 9:19 PM ET #7

    Just for the record - I took Lehigh in the f/h + 7 points....winner....i took liberty +20.5....loser..based on my system if the line was 18.5...i still would have taken liberty.......but please recognize we don't have much data at for a couple of weeks yet.  Using last years data...is all we have for tomorrow's and this weekends games....so go easy and even think about teasers...but come end of nov....december....it kicks in.....I noticed don best has lines for tomorrow....there were no games today - that i knew of.  I'm going to follow step one above. I'll let you know my picks later....good luck all. 

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    Just for the record - I took Lehigh in the f/h + 7 points....winner....i took liberty +20.5....loser..based on my system if the line was 18.5...i still would have taken liberty.......but please recognize we don't have much data at for a couple of weeks yet.  Using last years data...is all we have for tomorrow's and this weekends games....so go easy and even think about teasers...but come end of nov....december....it kicks in.....I noticed don best has lines for tomorrow....there were no games today - that i knew of.  I'm going to follow step one above. I'll let you know my picks later....good luck all. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 2:56 PM ET #8

    R u gonna post plays ?
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:37 PM ET #9

    I'm in the process of posting my plays - they will be under the CBB forum as instructed by the folks at covers. 
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    I posted in the CBB forum and that's where i will post and also check out my blog on here. I don't always have time or I can't access this sight - so strongly suggest developing your own spread sheet. Good luck all.

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    I posted in the CBB forum and that's where i will post and also check out my blog on here. I don't always have time or I can't access this sight - so strongly suggest developing your own spread sheet. Good luck all.

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    can you explain step 11. When you say to "let history indicate" which team to take - what do you mean by history? vs each other, history vs the line within the same range (what's the range), etc....
    Please clarify sensei.
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    can you explain step 11. When you say to "let history indicate" which team to take - what do you mean by history? vs each other, history vs the line within the same range (what's the range), etc....
    Please clarify sensei.
     
     
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    Air -....as you start recording the patterns and the results - for example:

                                                                             Final Score

    -      A      WS  BS   WD                                           75

    +  5 B       BS WS   BD                                            88

    Based on the scenario above next time there is a game...that is -/+  with a similar pattern with a line of 5....you will know to take the B team.   I have a spreadsheet which i accumulate the data and record the results...so when i take the opening lines and go thru the steps...i compare them to what i have in my spreadsheet and it tells me who won previously with that line and similar scenario and i then know who to take. My advantage is i have the recorded results of the past couple of years. You are starting out thus it will take some time to build it up but you will get there.   

    Does that help?   

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    Air -....as you start recording the patterns and the results - for example:

                                                                             Final Score

    -      A      WS  BS   WD                                           75

    +  5 B       BS WS   BD                                            88

    Based on the scenario above next time there is a game...that is -/+  with a similar pattern with a line of 5....you will know to take the B team.   I have a spreadsheet which i accumulate the data and record the results...so when i take the opening lines and go thru the steps...i compare them to what i have in my spreadsheet and it tells me who won previously with that line and similar scenario and i then know who to take. My advantage is i have the recorded results of the past couple of years. You are starting out thus it will take some time to build it up but you will get there.   

    Does that help?   

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