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    Baseball O / U formula

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    calinreddog
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    Posted: May. 4, 2009 - 1:02 PM ET #1

    I found a Pearson corelation of  0.753 between the over / under percentages and the ERA (earned run average) multiplied by the BA (batting average) for 16 teams, were over or the under percentage was above 0.55. That could mean the number obtained multiplying the team's BA by the team's ERA might be used a predictor for the over / under percentage. Of course my little study is not statistically significant but the correlation coeficient of 0.75 could be something. So I decided to put up a simple formula using those 2 numbers (BA and ERA) in order to predict the total of a game. I will test this formula on this thread because I think it cannot be backtested (the numbers are changing from one week to another and i think backtesting is not valid).
    I will use only the batting average (BA) and the earned run average (ERA) for the last 10 games (since baseball is a "momentum" sport I think last 10 are more relevant than all games) and compute the total as bellow:
     
    TOTAL ESTIMATE = (BAh + BAr) x (ERAh + ERAr) x 2,
     
    where
    BAh = batting avg for home team last 10 games
    BAr = batting avg for road team last 10 games
    ERAh = earned run avg for home team last 10 games
     
    If my total estimate is 1.5 runs or more over or under the listed total I will take that bet.
     
    Example:
     
    Houston vs. Washington tonight:
     
    Houston last 10:         BAr = 0.237  ERAr = 3.60
    Washington last 10:    BAh = 0.261  ERAh = 4.19
     
    Total estimate = (0.261 + 0.237) x (4.19 + 3.60) x 2 = 0.498 x 7.79 x 2 = 7.758
     
    Total set by the bookie = 9.5, difference = 7.758 - 9.5 = -1.742,
     
    I will take the under 9.5 for hou - was game.
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    I found a Pearson corelation of  0.753 between the over / under percentages and the ERA (earned run average) multiplied by the BA (batting average) for 16 teams, were over or the under percentage was above 0.55. That could mean the number obtained multiplying the team's BA by the team's ERA might be used a predictor for the over / under percentage. Of course my little study is not statistically significant but the correlation coeficient of 0.75 could be something. So I decided to put up a simple formula using those 2 numbers (BA and ERA) in order to predict the total of a game. I will test this formula on this thread because I think it cannot be backtested (the numbers are changing from one week to another and i think backtesting is not valid).
    I will use only the batting average (BA) and the earned run average (ERA) for the last 10 games (since baseball is a "momentum" sport I think last 10 are more relevant than all games) and compute the total as bellow:
     
    TOTAL ESTIMATE = (BAh + BAr) x (ERAh + ERAr) x 2,
     
    where
    BAh = batting avg for home team last 10 games
    BAr = batting avg for road team last 10 games
    ERAh = earned run avg for home team last 10 games
     
    If my total estimate is 1.5 runs or more over or under the listed total I will take that bet.
     
    Example:
     
    Houston vs. Washington tonight:
     
    Houston last 10:         BAr = 0.237  ERAr = 3.60
    Washington last 10:    BAh = 0.261  ERAh = 4.19
     
    Total estimate = (0.261 + 0.237) x (4.19 + 3.60) x 2 = 0.498 x 7.79 x 2 = 7.758
     
    Total set by the bookie = 9.5, difference = 7.758 - 9.5 = -1.742,
     
    I will take the under 9.5 for hou - was game.
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2009 - 1:16 PM ET #2

    Picks for tonight:

    hou-was under 9.5

    bos-nyy over 10

    cin-fla over 7.5

    chw-kc over 8

    laa-oak over 8.5

    tex-sea over 7.5

     

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    Picks for tonight:

    hou-was under 9.5

    bos-nyy over 10

    cin-fla over 7.5

    chw-kc over 8

    laa-oak over 8.5

    tex-sea over 7.5

     

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2009 - 6:42 PM ET #3

    rough day yesterday 1-4-1
     
    stick with it.  test for at least a week, then tweak from there. Yesterday was an underday anyways
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    rough day yesterday 1-4-1
     
    stick with it.  test for at least a week, then tweak from there. Yesterday was an underday anyways
     
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    So, starting from 1-4-1 record, palys for today:
     
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. cin-kc under 8.5
    5. sea-col over 9
    6. sd-laa over 8
     
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    So, starting from 1-4-1 record, palys for today:
     
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. cin-kc under 8.5
    5. sea-col over 9
    6. sd-laa over 8
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 11:36 AM ET #5

     GL Kemosabe......I'll be watchin' this.
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     GL Kemosabe......I'll be watchin' this.
     
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    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. cin-kc under 8.5
    5. sea-col over 9
    6. sd-laa over 8
     
    3-3 but I found a filter to amke the plays more selective. If I take the avg and era for the entire season and I only take plays with at least 1.5 difference compared to the total set by the books, the formula should work better.
    With this tweak, the plays would've been for last night:
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. sd-laa over 8
     
    That's 3-1, much better.
     
    So I'll reset the record at 3-1 and start using this new variaton (home/away avg and era and 1.5 difference as a filter).
     
     
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    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. cin-kc under 8.5
    5. sea-col over 9
    6. sd-laa over 8
     
    3-3 but I found a filter to amke the plays more selective. If I take the avg and era for the entire season and I only take plays with at least 1.5 difference compared to the total set by the books, the formula should work better.
    With this tweak, the plays would've been for last night:
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. sd-laa over 8
     
    That's 3-1, much better.
     
    So I'll reset the record at 3-1 and start using this new variaton (home/away avg and era and 1.5 difference as a filter).
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 5:33 AM ET #7

    3-1 YTD
     
    Sunday:
     
    1. nym-nyy over 9
    2. was-tb over 9
    3. sd-laa over 8
     
     
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    3-1 YTD
     
    Sunday:
     
    1. nym-nyy over 9
    2. was-tb over 9
    3. sd-laa over 8
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

     
     
    . "If I take the avg and era for the entire season and I only take plays with at least 1.5 difference compared to the total set by the books, the formula should work better."
    With this tweak, the plays would've been for last night:
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. sd-laa over 8
     
    That's 3-1, much better.
     
    So I'll reset the record at 3-1 and start using this new variaton (home/away avg and era and 1.5 difference as a filter).
     
     

    Your "cut" formula, and sabermetrician approach to o/u play is well conceived, vg work on your filter application...your breeding success..good cappin' reddog

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    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

     
     
    . "If I take the avg and era for the entire season and I only take plays with at least 1.5 difference compared to the total set by the books, the formula should work better."
    With this tweak, the plays would've been for last night:
    1. stl-cle under 10
    2. fla-tor under 9
    3. was-tb over 9
    4. sd-laa over 8
     
    That's 3-1, much better.
     
    So I'll reset the record at 3-1 and start using this new variaton (home/away avg and era and 1.5 difference as a filter).
     
     

    Your "cut" formula, and sabermetrician approach to o/u play is well conceived, vg work on your filter application...your breeding success..good cappin' reddog

     
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    SN,
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 6:14 PM ET #10

    Sunday:
     
    1. nym-nyy over 9
    2. was-tb over 9 PUSH
    3. sd-laa over 8
     
    1-0-1
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    Sunday:
     
    1. nym-nyy over 9
    2. was-tb over 9 PUSH
    3. sd-laa over 8
     
    1-0-1
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 6:17 PM ET #11

     GL Kemosabe.....I'll be watching this.
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     GL Kemosabe.....I'll be watching this.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 6:20 PM ET #12

    ApacheM,
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 7:28 PM ET #13

    4-1-1 YTD
     
    Adding one more play for sunday which became a play since the line moved from 7.5 to 7:
     
    4. stl-cle over 7
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    4-1-1 YTD
     
    Adding one more play for sunday which became a play since the line moved from 7.5 to 7:
     
    4. stl-cle over 7
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2009 - 12:10 AM ET #14

    What happened to the posts? I was starting to get interested and poof, no more posts.
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    What happened to the posts? I was starting to get interested and poof, no more posts.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2022 - 5:36 AM ET #15

    @Putso

     He proved his point and left....work the formulated system, it's a WINNER!

    peace_5

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    @Putso

     He proved his point and left....work the formulated system, it's a WINNER!

    peace_5

     
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    A sample size of 6 games did NOT prove his point.  That is statistically insignificant.

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    A sample size of 6 games did NOT prove his point.  That is statistically insignificant.

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2023 - 8:34 AM ET #17

    @DogbiteWilliams @Putso

    I was curious as well, so I decided to follow the system described (including the 1.5 run filter, and season stats). After 56 bets, the system is 35-18-3 (+14.1 units) with minimal line shopping.

     

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    @DogbiteWilliams @Putso

    I was curious as well, so I decided to follow the system described (including the 1.5 run filter, and season stats). After 56 bets, the system is 35-18-3 (+14.1 units) with minimal line shopping.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2023 - 11:39 AM ET #18

    @Fuego47

     What site are you using to get last 10 day statistics

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    @Fuego47

     What site are you using to get last 10 day statistics

     
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    I'm curious as to the home/road ERAs the OP was using... is it the ERA of the starting pitchers?... the entire pitching staff?... or what?  SPs typically go 5-6 innings, and then 2-3 relievers finish the game.  I would think that, in order to properly filter the ERAs, you would have to consider the starter's ERA, and the ERAs of the middle and late relievers.

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    I'm curious as to the home/road ERAs the OP was using... is it the ERA of the starting pitchers?... the entire pitching staff?... or what?  SPs typically go 5-6 innings, and then 2-3 relievers finish the game.  I would think that, in order to properly filter the ERAs, you would have to consider the starter's ERA, and the ERAs of the middle and late relievers.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2023 - 4:58 PM ET #20

    I would think he's taking team ERA

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    I would think he's taking team ERA

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2023 - 5:04 PM ET #21

    I would consider taking home/road splits for each team

    Use Road stats for Road team, Home stats for Home teams

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    I would consider taking home/road splits for each team

    Use Road stats for Road team, Home stats for Home teams

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2024 - 7:19 PM ET #22

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     Baseball over/under

     

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