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    Knockout Rounds thread - only 15 games to go......

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    ZonaCats
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 10:49 AM ET #551

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Dont see any that I dont think you can do better by just rolling over.

    So no - no futures for me - and besides - I wouldnt know who to take in a future.....


    Only future with value is taking the Dutch to win. They are currently at +210. Against uruguay, they are -300 to advance and assuming they would be around -110 or +100 to win the final. Rolling over those bets would give you about +167. So there is value in taking the Dutch....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Dont see any that I dont think you can do better by just rolling over.

    So no - no futures for me - and besides - I wouldnt know who to take in a future.....


    Only future with value is taking the Dutch to win. They are currently at +210. Against uruguay, they are -300 to advance and assuming they would be around -110 or +100 to win the final. Rolling over those bets would give you about +167. So there is value in taking the Dutch....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 11:02 AM ET #552

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    Only future with value is taking the Dutch to win. They are currently at +210. Against uruguay, they are -300 to advance and assuming they would be around -110 or +100 to win the final. Rolling over those bets would give you about +167. So there is value in taking the Dutch....

    Just a guess, but I think the Dutch are +150 against either Germany or Spain.

    Like I said - Just a guess....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    Only future with value is taking the Dutch to win. They are currently at +210. Against uruguay, they are -300 to advance and assuming they would be around -110 or +100 to win the final. Rolling over those bets would give you about +167. So there is value in taking the Dutch....

    Just a guess, but I think the Dutch are +150 against either Germany or Spain.

    Like I said - Just a guess....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 11:37 AM ET #553

    Van,

    I am putting out my vote for you to keep posting plays year round in Soccer. I don't know a damn thing about the sport, but have learned immensly from this world cup, and your posts. I have really enjoyed watching these games, and making some serious cash in the process!

    Thank you for your time and efforts, soccer world should have you as an ambassador for the sport.

    Good luck down the stretch......

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    Van,

    I am putting out my vote for you to keep posting plays year round in Soccer. I don't know a damn thing about the sport, but have learned immensly from this world cup, and your posts. I have really enjoyed watching these games, and making some serious cash in the process!

    Thank you for your time and efforts, soccer world should have you as an ambassador for the sport.

    Good luck down the stretch......

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 11:42 AM ET #554

    The Tina blow out did surprise me and Spain scoring only one goal (David Villa) no suprise. Predictions: The same winner but scores flip flopped.  Ghana was difficult for most teams that played them.  So the Germany win against Ghana was impressive because the got it done against a physical team.  Says something for the USA squad, Ghana was no easy opponent.

    Holland   2     Uruguay  1

    Germany  3   Spain 1

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    The Tina blow out did surprise me and Spain scoring only one goal (David Villa) no suprise. Predictions: The same winner but scores flip flopped.  Ghana was difficult for most teams that played them.  So the Germany win against Ghana was impressive because the got it done against a physical team.  Says something for the USA squad, Ghana was no easy opponent.

    Holland   2     Uruguay  1

    Germany  3   Spain 1

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:22 PM ET #555

    Whats up Van?  I have the Netherlands to win the world cup at 13-1, $500 to win $6500.  Do you think i should place a wager on uruguay or just let this one play out and wait for the final hopefully?
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    Whats up Van?  I have the Netherlands to win the world cup at 13-1, $500 to win $6500.  Do you think i should place a wager on uruguay or just let this one play out and wait for the final hopefully?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:48 PM ET #556

    Van, what is keeping you from taking the Dutch today? The line to win in regulation seems fair....actually looks quite attractive. Is it a hangover effect from knocking out Brazil? Is it the Dutch's awful history in these spots? You predict a Dutch win handily but you decide not to bet on them.... just trying to find out why.... 
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    Van, what is keeping you from taking the Dutch today? The line to win in regulation seems fair....actually looks quite attractive. Is it a hangover effect from knocking out Brazil? Is it the Dutch's awful history in these spots? You predict a Dutch win handily but you decide not to bet on them.... just trying to find out why.... 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:52 PM ET #557

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Van, what is keeping you from taking the Dutch today? The line to win in regulation seems fair....actually looks quite attractive. Is it a hangover effect from knocking out Brazil? Is it the Dutch's awful history in these spots? You predict a Dutch win handily but you decide not to bet on them.... just trying to find out why.... 

    Its down to the price where I am literally at this moment probably going to bet it in the next 5 minutes...

    When I did the writeup, the line was around -155, but at -132, I almost have to.

    What is keeping me from making a big bet on it?  All of what you mentioned - I get a feeling that they may be taking it lightly - although I dont know how you take a game of this magnitude likely.  I have also learned that the worst time to bet against a team is a team that has played very well as a team - and has their back against the wall - and is counted out - that scares me.

    But overall - if the Dutch play well and Uruguay play well - the Dutch will win in regulation easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Van, what is keeping you from taking the Dutch today? The line to win in regulation seems fair....actually looks quite attractive. Is it a hangover effect from knocking out Brazil? Is it the Dutch's awful history in these spots? You predict a Dutch win handily but you decide not to bet on them.... just trying to find out why.... 

    Its down to the price where I am literally at this moment probably going to bet it in the next 5 minutes...

    When I did the writeup, the line was around -155, but at -132, I almost have to.

    What is keeping me from making a big bet on it?  All of what you mentioned - I get a feeling that they may be taking it lightly - although I dont know how you take a game of this magnitude likely.  I have also learned that the worst time to bet against a team is a team that has played very well as a team - and has their back against the wall - and is counted out - that scares me.

    But overall - if the Dutch play well and Uruguay play well - the Dutch will win in regulation easily.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:52 PM ET #558

    Quote Originally Posted by boombaladi:

    Van,

    I am putting out my vote for you to keep posting plays year round in Soccer. I don't know a damn thing about the sport, but have learned immensly from this world cup, and your posts. I have really enjoyed watching these games, and making some serious cash in the process!

    Thank you for your time and efforts, soccer world should have you as an ambassador for the sport.

    Good luck down the stretch......

    Thanks - glad you enjoyed the Cup.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boombaladi:

    Van,

    I am putting out my vote for you to keep posting plays year round in Soccer. I don't know a damn thing about the sport, but have learned immensly from this world cup, and your posts. I have really enjoyed watching these games, and making some serious cash in the process!

    Thank you for your time and efforts, soccer world should have you as an ambassador for the sport.

    Good luck down the stretch......

    Thanks - glad you enjoyed the Cup.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:54 PM ET #559

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdpig:

    The Tina blow out did surprise me and Spain scoring only one goal (David Villa) no suprise. Predictions: The same winner but scores flip flopped.  Ghana was difficult for most teams that played them.  So the Germany win against Ghana was impressive because the got it done against a physical team.  Says something for the USA squad, Ghana was no easy opponent.

    Holland   2     Uruguay  1

    Germany  3   Spain 1

    Go watch the Germany / Ghana game again (if you have it on tape).  I watched it for the 3rd time on Sunday - and cant believe that Germany won that game.  Ghana had chance after chance after chance - either Ghana were much better than I gave them credit for - or Germany just sucked that day  - or Ghana is the type of team (speed, physical) that can beat Germany.  I still have yet to figure it out - my eyes see it - but I have a hard time believing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdpig:

    The Tina blow out did surprise me and Spain scoring only one goal (David Villa) no suprise. Predictions: The same winner but scores flip flopped.  Ghana was difficult for most teams that played them.  So the Germany win against Ghana was impressive because the got it done against a physical team.  Says something for the USA squad, Ghana was no easy opponent.

    Holland   2     Uruguay  1

    Germany  3   Spain 1

    Go watch the Germany / Ghana game again (if you have it on tape).  I watched it for the 3rd time on Sunday - and cant believe that Germany won that game.  Ghana had chance after chance after chance - either Ghana were much better than I gave them credit for - or Germany just sucked that day  - or Ghana is the type of team (speed, physical) that can beat Germany.  I still have yet to figure it out - my eyes see it - but I have a hard time believing it.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 12:54 PM ET #560

    Quote Originally Posted by pastaman39:

    Whats up Van?  I have the Netherlands to win the world cup at 13-1, $500 to win $6500.  Do you think i should place a wager on uruguay or just let this one play out and wait for the final hopefully?

    I like the Dutch today - but all depends on your risk tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastaman39:

    Whats up Van?  I have the Netherlands to win the world cup at 13-1, $500 to win $6500.  Do you think i should place a wager on uruguay or just let this one play out and wait for the final hopefully?

    I like the Dutch today - but all depends on your risk tolerance.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 1:37 PM ET #561

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Go watch the Germany / Ghana game again (if you have it on tape).  I watched it for the 3rd time on Sunday - and cant believe that Germany won that game.  Ghana had chance after chance after chance - either Ghana were much better than I gave them credit for - or Germany just sucked that day  - or Ghana is the type of team (speed, physical) that can beat Germany.  I still have yet to figure it out - my eyes see it - but I have a hard time believing it.

    A little bit of both...Germany lost to Serbia being down 1-0 and a man down at the 37th minute. Ghana cup record before QF 2-1-1. GF 4 GA 3. ET played in elimination stages 60 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Go watch the Germany / Ghana game again (if you have it on tape).  I watched it for the 3rd time on Sunday - and cant believe that Germany won that game.  Ghana had chance after chance after chance - either Ghana were much better than I gave them credit for - or Germany just sucked that day  - or Ghana is the type of team (speed, physical) that can beat Germany.  I still have yet to figure it out - my eyes see it - but I have a hard time believing it.

    A little bit of both...Germany lost to Serbia being down 1-0 and a man down at the 37th minute. Ghana cup record before QF 2-1-1. GF 4 GA 3. ET played in elimination stages 60 minutes.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 1:48 PM ET #562

    Also Klose was unavailable for the Ghana match.

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    Also Klose was unavailable for the Ghana match.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 3:21 PM ET #563

    1-1 at HT means a no stress second half....

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    1-1 at HT means a no stress second half....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:04 PM ET #564

    another winner
    nice job van
    holland marches to the final....
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    another winner
    nice job van
    holland marches to the final....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:05 PM ET #565

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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:08 PM ET #566

    well done...score is lookin good too
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    well done...score is lookin good too
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:16 PM ET #567


    Good Job! 
                               
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    Good Job! 
                               
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:17 PM ET #568

    Shoulda bet the 3-1

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    Shoulda bet the 3-1

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:19 PM ET #569

    Game Picks

    Current Record 29-14
    Up 60.71 units, Down 33.08 units
    TOTAL - Up +27.63 units

    Futures... 

    Current Record  8-12
    Up 20.8 Units, Down 23.9 units
    Total -3.1 units

    Semifinals

    61.  Uruguay / Netherlands - Over 2 -126 (2 units) - Its hard to see a result in this game with Uruguay winning.  I think the Dutch have almost every advantage, including injuries and suspensions.  Uruguay are without Suarez - which will certainly hurt them up front - but like I have said in my other Uruguay writeups he has squandered many more chances and possessions than he has converted - if his name was Fabiano or Klose - I think he would have 10 goals.  Lodeiro is definitely out with a foot injury, and Fucile is out on suspension.  Lugano is also possibly injured - or at best hobbled - which leads me to many more questions about Uruguays back line than their most high profile missing player - Suarez.  They are going to have to plug some holes on defense - and at a very bad time facing the high powered Dutch.

    Holland comes in with suspensions and injuries too - Van Der Wiel and De Jong are out on suspension - and Matheijesen is coming off of his injury.  They are still together up front - but a little bit like Uruguay they might be disorganized at the back.

    Diego Forlan is one of the few superstars in this tournament who has outplayed expectations - he is the engine that keeps Uruguay going - and he will be asked to do everything in this game.  I just see a lot of space on both sides of the field, and lots of opportunities on net - and as we have seen in the knockouts - one goal usually means many more - you just have to get it before it is too late in the game....  Predicted final score - Holland 3 Uruguay 1 

    62.  Spain / Germany - Germany to advance +106 (1 unit) - This is really a tough one.  A classic case of one side that on paper is better, but the other side is playing far superior as of late.  Do you throw out form and go with substance, or do you take the hot side that seems unbeatable?  I learned my lesson - Im not betting against Germany right now.

    But in retrospect, the Germans do seem beatable to me - the Ghana game could have easily been a disaster for them (and they might not have even advanced), and Serbia somehow had their number too.  But in their 3 wins, they scored 4 goals each game - and have looked the class of the tournament in doing so.  Mueller is out on suspension - which should hurt.  Their efficiency is what is getting my bet - the fact that when they have an opportunity they bury it or at least come close - and their passing and possession has been second to none.  They are playing as a team better than anyone, and my money is on that to continue.

    Spain are an all star team, but it seems to me they are playing like a bunch of high priced guys thrown together with no cohesion.  Torres might be benched (which he should be), but make no mistake - if Spain can put together a game they should beat Germany - Im just betting that they wont be able to pull it off.

    Im taking form over potential here - but only for a very small wager - Final predicted score Germany 2 Spain 1

    GL all

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    Game Picks

    Current Record 29-14
    Up 60.71 units, Down 33.08 units
    TOTAL - Up +27.63 units

    Futures... 

    Current Record  8-12
    Up 20.8 Units, Down 23.9 units
    Total -3.1 units

    Semifinals

    61.  Uruguay / Netherlands - Over 2 -126 (2 units) - Its hard to see a result in this game with Uruguay winning.  I think the Dutch have almost every advantage, including injuries and suspensions.  Uruguay are without Suarez - which will certainly hurt them up front - but like I have said in my other Uruguay writeups he has squandered many more chances and possessions than he has converted - if his name was Fabiano or Klose - I think he would have 10 goals.  Lodeiro is definitely out with a foot injury, and Fucile is out on suspension.  Lugano is also possibly injured - or at best hobbled - which leads me to many more questions about Uruguays back line than their most high profile missing player - Suarez.  They are going to have to plug some holes on defense - and at a very bad time facing the high powered Dutch.

    Holland comes in with suspensions and injuries too - Van Der Wiel and De Jong are out on suspension - and Matheijesen is coming off of his injury.  They are still together up front - but a little bit like Uruguay they might be disorganized at the back.

    Diego Forlan is one of the few superstars in this tournament who has outplayed expectations - he is the engine that keeps Uruguay going - and he will be asked to do everything in this game.  I just see a lot of space on both sides of the field, and lots of opportunities on net - and as we have seen in the knockouts - one goal usually means many more - you just have to get it before it is too late in the game....  Predicted final score - Holland 3 Uruguay 1 

    62.  Spain / Germany - Germany to advance +106 (1 unit) - This is really a tough one.  A classic case of one side that on paper is better, but the other side is playing far superior as of late.  Do you throw out form and go with substance, or do you take the hot side that seems unbeatable?  I learned my lesson - Im not betting against Germany right now.

    But in retrospect, the Germans do seem beatable to me - the Ghana game could have easily been a disaster for them (and they might not have even advanced), and Serbia somehow had their number too.  But in their 3 wins, they scored 4 goals each game - and have looked the class of the tournament in doing so.  Mueller is out on suspension - which should hurt.  Their efficiency is what is getting my bet - the fact that when they have an opportunity they bury it or at least come close - and their passing and possession has been second to none.  They are playing as a team better than anyone, and my money is on that to continue.

    Spain are an all star team, but it seems to me they are playing like a bunch of high priced guys thrown together with no cohesion.  Torres might be benched (which he should be), but make no mistake - if Spain can put together a game they should beat Germany - Im just betting that they wont be able to pull it off.

    Im taking form over potential here - but only for a very small wager - Final predicted score Germany 2 Spain 1

    GL all

     
    flavorman
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:19 PM ET #570

    well done Van,

    easy over winner looks like you nailed the score as well

    Many thanks,

    Flav

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    well done Van,

    easy over winner looks like you nailed the score as well

    Many thanks,

    Flav

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:20 PM ET #571

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Shoulda bet the 3-1

    good thing you didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Shoulda bet the 3-1

    good thing you didn't

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:20 PM ET #572

    very nice goal for Uruguay....

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    very nice goal for Uruguay....

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:20 PM ET #573

    Quote Originally Posted by madashman:

    good thing you didn't

    That goal makes me feel better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by madashman:

    good thing you didn't

    That goal makes me feel better....

     
    Jordan032503
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:25 PM ET #574

    good job vanz
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    good job vanz
     
     
    flavorman
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2010 - 4:25 PM ET #575

    can't wait til tomorrow

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    can't wait til tomorrow

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