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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2012 - 11:34 PM ET #126

    Awesome read and info. Keep it coming, will be following this system closely.
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    Awesome read and info. Keep it coming, will be following this system closely.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2012 - 11:57 PM ET #127

    Van, a couple questions...

    1.) How do your units in this tournament compare to other major tournaments? (world cup, copa america, etc...)

    2.) Are your futures units the same size as game units?

    GL this tournament, and hoping everything is okay on the family front.

     
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    Van, a couple questions...

    1.) How do your units in this tournament compare to other major tournaments? (world cup, copa america, etc...)

    2.) Are your futures units the same size as game units?

    GL this tournament, and hoping everything is okay on the family front.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 1:20 AM ET #128

    I'm all over Poland to win GroupA at +225. 

    Since 1960 (when this tourney started), 12 of 15 host teams have advanced to the knockout round. 11 of those 12 won their group. 

    Both hosts did not get out of the group stage in 2008 which is why I think Poland and Ukraine are flying under the radar. I like those kind of teams, not teams like Russia that everyone and their mother are on....


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    I'm all over Poland to win GroupA at +225. 

    Since 1960 (when this tourney started), 12 of 15 host teams have advanced to the knockout round. 11 of those 12 won their group. 

    Both hosts did not get out of the group stage in 2008 which is why I think Poland and Ukraine are flying under the radar. I like those kind of teams, not teams like Russia that everyone and their mother are on....


     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 1:28 AM ET #129

    i think for poland the better play is take them ml 90 mins to beat greece opening game, after that they might lose to russia, and im not sure they can beat czech although it a tossup, but they should beat greece imo and its even money
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    i think for poland the better play is take them ml 90 mins to beat greece opening game, after that they might lose to russia, and im not sure they can beat czech although it a tossup, but they should beat greece imo and its even money
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 1:44 AM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLuke:

    You should get your facts straight. 
    You know the trio from Dortmund? or Szczesny?
    - side have lost just once in 12 games, a run lasting virtually a year. Their only defeat in that time was a 2-0 loss to Italy in November 2011.
    -Poland have kept a national-record five successive clean sheets, going 461 minutes without conceding

    I would say the team turned 360 since finishing 2nd to last behind San Marino.  Don't you agree after reading some facts?

    No, I don't agree.  Poland are the worst team BY FAR in this tournament according to both the FIFA rankings (which don't mean squat) and the ELO ratings.  Additionally, the Greeks didn't lose a single game in qualification. 

    Now I have no idea what's going to happen on Friday morning but I can surely tell you that Poland wouldn't be here if it weren't for automatic qualification and they are the worst team in the tournament.  We'll see how far home field gets them...it didn't do much for Austria (who also wouldn't have qualified without the automatic bid) or Switzerland in 2008.    

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLuke:

    You should get your facts straight. 
    You know the trio from Dortmund? or Szczesny?
    - side have lost just once in 12 games, a run lasting virtually a year. Their only defeat in that time was a 2-0 loss to Italy in November 2011.
    -Poland have kept a national-record five successive clean sheets, going 461 minutes without conceding

    I would say the team turned 360 since finishing 2nd to last behind San Marino.  Don't you agree after reading some facts?

    No, I don't agree.  Poland are the worst team BY FAR in this tournament according to both the FIFA rankings (which don't mean squat) and the ELO ratings.  Additionally, the Greeks didn't lose a single game in qualification. 

    Now I have no idea what's going to happen on Friday morning but I can surely tell you that Poland wouldn't be here if it weren't for automatic qualification and they are the worst team in the tournament.  We'll see how far home field gets them...it didn't do much for Austria (who also wouldn't have qualified without the automatic bid) or Switzerland in 2008.    

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 2:21 AM ET #131

    Really enjoyed the writeups Van.  Appreciate your thoughts and will be playing along throughout the tournament.  
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    Really enjoyed the writeups Van.  Appreciate your thoughts and will be playing along throughout the tournament.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 7:09 AM ET #132

    Thanks all. 

    As far as units go, future bets are the same size in relation to game unit bets.

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    Thanks all. 

    As far as units go, future bets are the same size in relation to game unit bets.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 7:22 AM ET #133

    Hey Van not sure you listed, how many units is your Coatia bet? 
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    Hey Van not sure you listed, how many units is your Coatia bet? 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 7:44 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Tressel:

    Hey Van not sure you listed, how many units is your Coatia bet? 

    Yeah - Forgot to post that - corrected it in post #93 - 1.5 units on croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Tressel:

    Hey Van not sure you listed, how many units is your Coatia bet? 

    Yeah - Forgot to post that - corrected it in post #93 - 1.5 units on croatia.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 7:45 AM ET #135

    Vanzack - appreciate your hard work and great write-ups.

    Do you see any value in France to win Group D +165??

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    Vanzack - appreciate your hard work and great write-ups.

    Do you see any value in France to win Group D +165??

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowmanGeezy:

    Vanzack - appreciate your hard work and great write-ups.

    Do you see any value in France to win Group D +165??

    Yes.  I think they win the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowmanGeezy:

    Vanzack - appreciate your hard work and great write-ups.

    Do you see any value in France to win Group D +165??

    Yes.  I think they win the group.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 10:06 AM ET #137

    Thanks van. Also, I dont cap soccer at all. Just wanted to get your opinion on line movements.

    Currently, my book has France at +140 and PK -155. How would you approach this? Wait or unload now?

    Same with the Russia play today. With an over under of 2 (juiced to the under), it may make more sense to take Russia PK -135 than -1/2 +145.

    Let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your feedback.

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    Thanks van. Also, I dont cap soccer at all. Just wanted to get your opinion on line movements.

    Currently, my book has France at +140 and PK -155. How would you approach this? Wait or unload now?

    Same with the Russia play today. With an over under of 2 (juiced to the under), it may make more sense to take Russia PK -135 than -1/2 +145.

    Let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your feedback.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowmanGeezy:

    Thanks van. Also, I dont cap soccer at all. Just wanted to get your opinion on line movements.

    Currently, my book has France at +140 and PK -155. How would you approach this? Wait or unload now?

    Same with the Russia play today. With an over under of 2 (juiced to the under), it may make more sense to take Russia PK -135 than -1/2 +145.

    Let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your feedback.

    Yeah - line movements on Intl games is very hard to figure.  Obviously a very big move against Russia today - went from +120 to +150 overnight.  You never know what is causing that - I just know from experience that it is very hard to predict and is not indicative of results.  I remember in WC2010, it seemed every line moved against me - and I still did pretty well.

    So yes - I agree with the Russia PK at -135 - I even added a little on at that line this morning too.

    The France line happens to be one that I did think would move when I first looked at it about a month ago - so I started betting it.  But your -155 line is pretty bad, you can still widely get -135 to -140.  I explained earlier in the thread why I really like having this one on a PK - I really dont see England winning - but can see them playing very anit-football for a draw - so Im glad Im covered and am willing to pay a little extra to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowmanGeezy:

    Thanks van. Also, I dont cap soccer at all. Just wanted to get your opinion on line movements.

    Currently, my book has France at +140 and PK -155. How would you approach this? Wait or unload now?

    Same with the Russia play today. With an over under of 2 (juiced to the under), it may make more sense to take Russia PK -135 than -1/2 +145.

    Let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your feedback.

    Yeah - line movements on Intl games is very hard to figure.  Obviously a very big move against Russia today - went from +120 to +150 overnight.  You never know what is causing that - I just know from experience that it is very hard to predict and is not indicative of results.  I remember in WC2010, it seemed every line moved against me - and I still did pretty well.

    So yes - I agree with the Russia PK at -135 - I even added a little on at that line this morning too.

    The France line happens to be one that I did think would move when I first looked at it about a month ago - so I started betting it.  But your -155 line is pretty bad, you can still widely get -135 to -140.  I explained earlier in the thread why I really like having this one on a PK - I really dont see England winning - but can see them playing very anit-football for a draw - so Im glad Im covered and am willing to pay a little extra to do so.

    GL

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 11:10 AM ET #139

    Quote Originally Posted by pj702:

    i think for poland the better play is take them ml 90 mins to beat greece opening game, after that they might lose to russia, and im not sure they can beat czech although it a tossup, but they should beat greece imo and its even money

    The host team in first game of the #Eurocup has not won past 6 (2 losses, 4 draws). Last one was France in 1984.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pj702:

    i think for poland the better play is take them ml 90 mins to beat greece opening game, after that they might lose to russia, and im not sure they can beat czech although it a tossup, but they should beat greece imo and its even money

    The host team in first game of the #Eurocup has not won past 6 (2 losses, 4 draws). Last one was France in 1984.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2012 - 11:42 AM ET #140

    I have the option of taking the Asian handicap line of Russia which is pk, -1/2 goals -120

    Whats the difference between that line and Russia -135?

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    I have the option of taking the Asian handicap line of Russia which is pk, -1/2 goals -120

    Whats the difference between that line and Russia -135?

     
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    That was an interesting half.

    The Greeks shape at the back was just awful for the first 20 minuutes - a total zig zag line with acres of space.

    And those yellow cards were questionable even as fouls - not sure either was even a foul.

    Gotta get lucky in the 2nd....

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    That was an interesting half.

    The Greeks shape at the back was just awful for the first 20 minuutes - a total zig zag line with acres of space.

    And those yellow cards were questionable even as fouls - not sure either was even a foul.

    Gotta get lucky in the 2nd....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    That was an interesting half.

    The Greeks shape at the back was just awful for the first 20 minuutes - a total zig zag line with acres of space.

    And those yellow cards were questionable even as fouls - not sure either was even a foul.

    Gotta get lucky in the 2nd....

    And there it is.  Now I have a feeling there will need to be 40 mins of defending to hold it at 1-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    That was an interesting half.

    The Greeks shape at the back was just awful for the first 20 minuutes - a total zig zag line with acres of space.

    And those yellow cards were questionable even as fouls - not sure either was even a foul.

    Gotta get lucky in the 2nd....

    And there it is.  Now I have a feeling there will need to be 40 mins of defending to hold it at 1-1.

     
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    Russia TO WIN up to +150 @ my book
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy_Winslow:

    Russia TO WIN up to +150 @ my book

    Take a look at PK -135.  Also good.

    25 MINS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy_Winslow:

    Russia TO WIN up to +150 @ my book

    Take a look at PK -135.  Also good.

    25 MINS

     
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    Wow.

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    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    20 mins - 10 on 10...

    HOLD ON GREECE

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    15 MINS

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