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    Sunday Masters Pin Placement?

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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 9:25 AM ET #1

    Anyone know what it is?  Also any insight on whether it is setup for high scores or not.

    All the talking idiots on TV keep repeating the mantra about need to be 1st or 2nd group and no one has come from large deficit on Sunday.

    Faldo just on TV saying Spieth goal today is likely 3 under / 9 holes or 66.  That would put the winning score at or above -10.  Scenario's are important to consider along with the scores but in 3 tournaments his 4th round scores are 72, 70, 73.  And in 15 rounds here he has a 64 and 2 66's.  

    Has anyone considered the pin placements and the possibility that the winning score could be in the -4 to -7 range?  Last year was similar conditions (windy early, clear weather late) and Willet won with a -5.

    Any thoughts appreciated.
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    Anyone know what it is?  Also any insight on whether it is setup for high scores or not.

    All the talking idiots on TV keep repeating the mantra about need to be 1st or 2nd group and no one has come from large deficit on Sunday.

    Faldo just on TV saying Spieth goal today is likely 3 under / 9 holes or 66.  That would put the winning score at or above -10.  Scenario's are important to consider along with the scores but in 3 tournaments his 4th round scores are 72, 70, 73.  And in 15 rounds here he has a 64 and 2 66's.  

    Has anyone considered the pin placements and the possibility that the winning score could be in the -4 to -7 range?  Last year was similar conditions (windy early, clear weather late) and Willet won with a -5.

    Any thoughts appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 9:52 AM ET #2

    Also a few data based thoughts to consider:

    PUTTING (struggling)

    J. Thomas      1.85  (3- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    R. Fisher        1.81  (4- 3 putts and 5 birdies)
    J. Hahn           1.80  (5- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    J.B. Holmes    1.80  (5- 3 putts and 13 birdies)
    P. Casey         1.78  (5- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    Summerhays  1.78  (3- 3 putts and 6 birdies)
    Matsuyama     1.74  (5- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    A. Sullivan       1.74  (3- 3 putts and 6 birdies)

    Leishman, Berger, Grace, and Steele all at 1.72 with 4- 3putts.  Grace and Berger have 6 birdies and Leishman/Steel have just 3 each.

    Couples, Scott, Fitzpatrick, Rahm, Kisner, Chappell and Kjeldsen all around 1.70 and most struggling with 3 putts but most of these have a decent amount of birdies.  

    For reference in recent Master's history Adam Scott was the highest Putt/GIR at 1.80 of any winner.  But he was 1st in GIR and 3rd in scrambling that year (at the Master's).

    Don't have time to research but should be noted that Spieth is currently at 1.69 with 4 - 3 putts so far.  Subjectively that seems bad for him and was surprised, especially with the 3 putts.  I would say 1.70 is likely the highest the actual winner will be this year.
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    Also a few data based thoughts to consider:

    PUTTING (struggling)

    J. Thomas      1.85  (3- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    R. Fisher        1.81  (4- 3 putts and 5 birdies)
    J. Hahn           1.80  (5- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    J.B. Holmes    1.80  (5- 3 putts and 13 birdies)
    P. Casey         1.78  (5- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    Summerhays  1.78  (3- 3 putts and 6 birdies)
    Matsuyama     1.74  (5- 3 putts and 7 birdies)
    A. Sullivan       1.74  (3- 3 putts and 6 birdies)

    Leishman, Berger, Grace, and Steele all at 1.72 with 4- 3putts.  Grace and Berger have 6 birdies and Leishman/Steel have just 3 each.

    Couples, Scott, Fitzpatrick, Rahm, Kisner, Chappell and Kjeldsen all around 1.70 and most struggling with 3 putts but most of these have a decent amount of birdies.  

    For reference in recent Master's history Adam Scott was the highest Putt/GIR at 1.80 of any winner.  But he was 1st in GIR and 3rd in scrambling that year (at the Master's).

    Don't have time to research but should be noted that Spieth is currently at 1.69 with 4 - 3 putts so far.  Subjectively that seems bad for him and was surprised, especially with the 3 putts.  I would say 1.70 is likely the highest the actual winner will be this year.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 10:03 AM ET #3

    PUTTING (Winning)

    R. Fowler       1.46  (2- 3 putts and 12 birdies)
    J. Walker        1.50  (1- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    B. Stuard        1.52  (2- 3 putts and 9 birdies)
    W. McGirt       1.54  (1- 3 putts and 8 birdies)
    M. Kaymer      1.57  (1- 3 putts and 8 birdies)
    T. Pieters        1.59  (3- 3 putts and 12 birdies)
    J. Dufner         1.61  (4- 3 putts and 15 birdies)
    R. Moore         1.63  (1- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    J. Day              1.62  (1- 3 putts and 11 birdies)

    Westwood, Henley, Hoffman, Schwartzel, and Oosthuizen all at 1.63 with low 3 putts.

    Snedeker, Mickelson, Garcia, and McIlroy all at 1.67.

    Rose and Spieth at 1.69.  Rose had two rounds at 1.71, then yesterday was great with a 1.61 and no 3 putts with 7 birdies.
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    PUTTING (Winning)

    R. Fowler       1.46  (2- 3 putts and 12 birdies)
    J. Walker        1.50  (1- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    B. Stuard        1.52  (2- 3 putts and 9 birdies)
    W. McGirt       1.54  (1- 3 putts and 8 birdies)
    M. Kaymer      1.57  (1- 3 putts and 8 birdies)
    T. Pieters        1.59  (3- 3 putts and 12 birdies)
    J. Dufner         1.61  (4- 3 putts and 15 birdies)
    R. Moore         1.63  (1- 3 putts and 10 birdies)
    J. Day              1.62  (1- 3 putts and 11 birdies)

    Westwood, Henley, Hoffman, Schwartzel, and Oosthuizen all at 1.63 with low 3 putts.

    Snedeker, Mickelson, Garcia, and McIlroy all at 1.67.

    Rose and Spieth at 1.69.  Rose had two rounds at 1.71, then yesterday was great with a 1.61 and no 3 putts with 7 birdies.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 10:10 AM ET #4

    Taking Jason Day -130 to finish 20th or better.  Price isn't great but he hit 77% of GIR, is putting very well, and led the field in driving average yesterday.  He is back and has no spotlight and can go out relaxed and fire away.  
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    Taking Jason Day -130 to finish 20th or better.  Price isn't great but he hit 77% of GIR, is putting very well, and led the field in driving average yesterday.  He is back and has no spotlight and can go out relaxed and fire away.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 10:23 AM ET #5

    FYI.  GolfNewsNet...com has the pin placements up.  Not a lot of discussion for reference but 11 is noted to be a "brutal" placement and #12 is the same as last year for Spieth's meltdown.
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    FYI.  GolfNewsNet...com has the pin placements up.  Not a lot of discussion for reference but 11 is noted to be a "brutal" placement and #12 is the same as last year for Spieth's meltdown.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 10:30 AM ET #6

    Of those struggling putting these should be of great concern:

    Berger, Fisher, and Scott are currently in the top 3 in GIR and still struggling at putting.  Means to me that they can't figure out these greens.
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    Of those struggling putting these should be of great concern:

    Berger, Fisher, and Scott are currently in the top 3 in GIR and still struggling at putting.  Means to me that they can't figure out these greens.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 11:02 AM ET #7

    4th Round Matchups

    Day -115 vs Matsuyama

    Henley -115 vs Thomas

    Last minute researching and shopping, may have a few more.
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    4th Round Matchups

    Day -115 vs Matsuyama

    Henley -115 vs Thomas

    Last minute researching and shopping, may have a few more.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 11:10 AM ET #8

    Thanks for the info and GL
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    Thanks for the info and GL
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 11:51 AM ET #9

    Adding:

    Rose/Spieth won't win Masters -140

    Schwartzel +1/2 -120 vs Scott

    Henley +1/2 -135 vs Thomas

    Dufner -115 vs Walker
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    Adding:

    Rose/Spieth won't win Masters -140

    Schwartzel +1/2 -120 vs Scott

    Henley +1/2 -135 vs Thomas

    Dufner -115 vs Walker
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 11:57 AM ET #10

    With you on Duffner against you on Scott and Thomas. 
    You make very good point on Thomas v Henley though
    Thomas #1 in GIR and not putting well. 

    Great info. 
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    With you on Duffner against you on Scott and Thomas. 
    You make very good point on Thomas v Henley though
    Thomas #1 in GIR and not putting well. 

    Great info. 
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2017 - 12:15 PM ET #11

    Adding:   Rory -145 over Rahm.

    Rory got his irons working yesterday only to see his putting slip (had been very good in rounds 1 and 2).  Out of the spotlight, similar to Day, if he can put them both together he could be dangerous today.  He also has 4 straight under par rounds on Sunday's at the Masters (71, 66, 66, 69).

    Rahm has one round under par, a 70.

    It's a bold theory, but I think this thing gets very tight today and rather than -10/-11 final score it could very well be -4/-5.
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    Adding:   Rory -145 over Rahm.

    Rory got his irons working yesterday only to see his putting slip (had been very good in rounds 1 and 2).  Out of the spotlight, similar to Day, if he can put them both together he could be dangerous today.  He also has 4 straight under par rounds on Sunday's at the Masters (71, 66, 66, 69).

    Rahm has one round under par, a 70.

    It's a bold theory, but I think this thing gets very tight today and rather than -10/-11 final score it could very well be -4/-5.
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