Illegal for republican House to pass SAVE act because US constitution only gives states the power to regulate elections.At most, federal government may influence election procedure but not voter eligibility. SAVE act is a solution in search of a problem because existing laws already ban non-citizen voting and voting fraud is very rare. However courts have ruled suppression of voting is a far greater problem. SAVE act could unfairly disenfranchise millions of eligible voters. Creating barriers for low income, senior, young, married and minority communities. Many people lack acceptable forms of identification.
@thirdperson
Good points. Many Americans don't have passports. Many of those same people (esp seniors and young voters) don't drive so do not have a driver's license. And many don't have their birth cert from like 65 - 90 years ago! Furthermore, the government already has proof on file on all voters who at some point in their life had registered to vote. THAT is proof enough. Illegals of course can not vote nor would any risk lengthy prison sentences to cast a vote...It's stupid to believe hundreds of thousands across the country would take that risk.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Illegal for republican House to pass SAVE act because US constitution only gives states the power to regulate elections.At most, federal government may influence election procedure but not voter eligibility. SAVE act is a solution in search of a problem because existing laws already ban non-citizen voting and voting fraud is very rare. However courts have ruled suppression of voting is a far greater problem. SAVE act could unfairly disenfranchise millions of eligible voters. Creating barriers for low income, senior, young, married and minority communities. Many people lack acceptable forms of identification.
@thirdperson
Good points. Many Americans don't have passports. Many of those same people (esp seniors and young voters) don't drive so do not have a driver's license. And many don't have their birth cert from like 65 - 90 years ago! Furthermore, the government already has proof on file on all voters who at some point in their life had registered to vote. THAT is proof enough. Illegals of course can not vote nor would any risk lengthy prison sentences to cast a vote...It's stupid to believe hundreds of thousands across the country would take that risk.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Illegal for republican House to pass SAVE act because US constitution only gives states the power to regulate elections. At most, federal government may influence election procedure but not voter eligibility. SAVE act is a solution in search of a problem because existing laws already ban non-citizen voting and voting fraud is very rare. However courts have ruled suppression of voting is a far greater problem. SAVE act could unfairly disenfranchise millions of eligible voters. Creating barriers for low income, senior, young, married and minority communities. Many people lack acceptable forms of identification. @thirdperson Good points. Many Americans don't have passports. Many of those same people (esp seniors and young voters) don't drive so do not have a driver's license. And many don't have their birth cert from like 65 - 90 years ago! Furthermore, the government already has proof on file on all voters who at some point in their life had registered to vote. THAT is proof enough. Illegals of course can not vote nor would any risk lengthy prison sentences to cast a vote...It's stupid to believe hundreds of thousands across the country would take that risk.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Illegal for republican House to pass SAVE act because US constitution only gives states the power to regulate elections. At most, federal government may influence election procedure but not voter eligibility. SAVE act is a solution in search of a problem because existing laws already ban non-citizen voting and voting fraud is very rare. However courts have ruled suppression of voting is a far greater problem. SAVE act could unfairly disenfranchise millions of eligible voters. Creating barriers for low income, senior, young, married and minority communities. Many people lack acceptable forms of identification. @thirdperson Good points. Many Americans don't have passports. Many of those same people (esp seniors and young voters) don't drive so do not have a driver's license. And many don't have their birth cert from like 65 - 90 years ago! Furthermore, the government already has proof on file on all voters who at some point in their life had registered to vote. THAT is proof enough. Illegals of course can not vote nor would any risk lengthy prison sentences to cast a vote...It's stupid to believe hundreds of thousands across the country would take that risk.
Kennedy family criticizes Trump plan to close Kennedy center for 2 years. John Kennedy's niece Maria Shriver says no entertainers want to perform there because of controversial name change that needs congress approval. Also donations and ticket sales have declined. Oddly, delusional Trump claims to be a savior instead of a destroyer.
He is a destroyer....
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Kennedy family criticizes Trump plan to close Kennedy center for 2 years. John Kennedy's niece Maria Shriver says no entertainers want to perform there because of controversial name change that needs congress approval. Also donations and ticket sales have declined. Oddly, delusional Trump claims to be a savior instead of a destroyer.
Progressives ...its going to get rougher now for your kind to sell your unpopular policies ...by rigging federal elections
Republicans have really tried to rig elections by undermining public trust, suppressing legitimate votes and reducing access to voting. For examples, gerrymandering, voter id, voter intimidation, vote buying disinformation and deleting registered voters.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:
Progressives ...its going to get rougher now for your kind to sell your unpopular policies ...by rigging federal elections
Republicans have really tried to rig elections by undermining public trust, suppressing legitimate votes and reducing access to voting. For examples, gerrymandering, voter id, voter intimidation, vote buying disinformation and deleting registered voters.
Risky for Trump administration to allow expiration of treaty with Russia limiting nuclear weapons. World would be less safe if countries engage in arms race and conduct nuclear tests. There are already enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world.
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Risky for Trump administration to allow expiration of treaty with Russia limiting nuclear weapons. World would be less safe if countries engage in arms race and conduct nuclear tests. There are already enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world.
Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants
(AP) The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
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Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump!
Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants
(AP) The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: Progressives ...its going to get rougher now for your kind to sell your unpopular policies ...by rigging federal elections Republicans have really tried to rig elections by undermining public trust, suppressing legitimate votes and reducing access to voting. For examples, gerrymandering, voter id, voter intimidation, vote buying disinformation and deleting registered voters.
Please explain how voting is suppressed if having identification is required to buy alcohol, take a flight, get Federal/State aide, applying for social security or a passport, open a bank account, buy a home or rent an apartment, get a job to satisfy I9 requirement, provide to law enforcement if requested, get a Driver License, register your vehicle, and so on....
People that make excuses or say that voters are being suppressed really are stretching it. So many things to be a human require proof of identification, however people think it is unfavorable for it to be provided for voting purposes. Makes no sense at all. If one wishes to vote and does not have identification there are so many ways that identification can be obtained and the beauty of it is that any voter knows exactly when they need to obtain this identification well ahead of time. So, this is an excuse and nothing else. If you are lobbying for providing no identification to vote then you are the problem and the exact reason why it should be a requirement. Should be nothing wrong for a legal citizen to provide proof of who they say they are in order to participate in a vote. Give it a break already, as this is not impeding anyone and if you say it is then you are enabling and not worried about the integrity of the voting process, so what are you hiding?
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: Progressives ...its going to get rougher now for your kind to sell your unpopular policies ...by rigging federal elections Republicans have really tried to rig elections by undermining public trust, suppressing legitimate votes and reducing access to voting. For examples, gerrymandering, voter id, voter intimidation, vote buying disinformation and deleting registered voters.
Please explain how voting is suppressed if having identification is required to buy alcohol, take a flight, get Federal/State aide, applying for social security or a passport, open a bank account, buy a home or rent an apartment, get a job to satisfy I9 requirement, provide to law enforcement if requested, get a Driver License, register your vehicle, and so on....
People that make excuses or say that voters are being suppressed really are stretching it. So many things to be a human require proof of identification, however people think it is unfavorable for it to be provided for voting purposes. Makes no sense at all. If one wishes to vote and does not have identification there are so many ways that identification can be obtained and the beauty of it is that any voter knows exactly when they need to obtain this identification well ahead of time. So, this is an excuse and nothing else. If you are lobbying for providing no identification to vote then you are the problem and the exact reason why it should be a requirement. Should be nothing wrong for a legal citizen to provide proof of who they say they are in order to participate in a vote. Give it a break already, as this is not impeding anyone and if you say it is then you are enabling and not worried about the integrity of the voting process, so what are you hiding?
People just cant show up at a polling place and cast votes. They have to already be registered to vote. I have no problem showing my license when i show up to vote. If a person is registered to vote they have had to already show proof of who they are, so showing license shouldnt be a problem.
Republicans and magas think this will make them win every election then, lollllllllll. Just look at the few cases of fraud they have found in elections, its been magas and republicans. Cheaters are always looking for new ways, right maga
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People just cant show up at a polling place and cast votes. They have to already be registered to vote. I have no problem showing my license when i show up to vote. If a person is registered to vote they have had to already show proof of who they are, so showing license shouldnt be a problem.
Republicans and magas think this will make them win every election then, lollllllllll. Just look at the few cases of fraud they have found in elections, its been magas and republicans. Cheaters are always looking for new ways, right maga
Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
yippeeee more toxic air in our environment !!
thx rump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky. yippeeee more toxic air in our environment !! thx rump
LETS MAKE COAL GREAT AGAIN
Truly cant wait for this guy to join his buddy epstein and kirk
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky. yippeeee more toxic air in our environment !! thx rump
LETS MAKE COAL GREAT AGAIN
Truly cant wait for this guy to join his buddy epstein and kirk
By limiting number of acceptable documents proving citizenship, SAVE act is more restrictive than voting ID laws in every state except Ohio. For example, no student photo ID. Brennan center estimates over 21 million citizens (9% if voters) lack proof of citizenship. In the past, courts strike down voting ID laws that discriminate against minorities. Voter suppression is a far greater problem than very rare voting fraud.
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Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:
Please explain how voting is suppressed
By limiting number of acceptable documents proving citizenship, SAVE act is more restrictive than voting ID laws in every state except Ohio. For example, no student photo ID. Brennan center estimates over 21 million citizens (9% if voters) lack proof of citizenship. In the past, courts strike down voting ID laws that discriminate against minorities. Voter suppression is a far greater problem than very rare voting fraud.
When you know that an ID is required for an Abortion, Welfare and Food Stamp Applications, Driving, car rental, car loan, bank loan, property rental, property purchase, Quad or Trike rental or purchase, Airline travel, alcohol/Tabaco purchases, but state that people will be disenfranchised from voting because they just can't get an ID.... You're a Liberal
@thirdperson
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When you know that an ID is required for an Abortion, Welfare and Food Stamp Applications, Driving, car rental, car loan, bank loan, property rental, property purchase, Quad or Trike rental or purchase, Airline travel, alcohol/Tabaco purchases, but state that people will be disenfranchised from voting because they just can't get an ID.... You're a Liberal
Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Please explain how voting is suppressed By limiting number of acceptable documents proving citizenship, SAVE act is more restrictive than voting ID laws in every state except Ohio. For example, no student photo ID. Brennan center estimates over 21 million citizens (9% if voters) lack proof of citizenship. In the past, courts strike down voting ID laws that discriminate against minorities. Voter suppression is a far greater problem than very rare voting fraud.
Plus, government agencies already have on file all registered voters. Those ALREADY registered should not have to provide multiple papers to the MAGA Gestapo/REICH any further....already done and previously approved!
NEW voterswho are not yet registered however, should have to provide all relevent documents to prove age, residence and citizenship -- but allowances MUST BE MADE for those whose last name now does not match birth cert (ie, married women!!!!!!!)
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Please explain how voting is suppressed By limiting number of acceptable documents proving citizenship, SAVE act is more restrictive than voting ID laws in every state except Ohio. For example, no student photo ID. Brennan center estimates over 21 million citizens (9% if voters) lack proof of citizenship. In the past, courts strike down voting ID laws that discriminate against minorities. Voter suppression is a far greater problem than very rare voting fraud.
Plus, government agencies already have on file all registered voters. Those ALREADY registered should not have to provide multiple papers to the MAGA Gestapo/REICH any further....already done and previously approved!
NEW voterswho are not yet registered however, should have to provide all relevent documents to prove age, residence and citizenship -- but allowances MUST BE MADE for those whose last name now does not match birth cert (ie, married women!!!!!!!)
are Democrats still pushing for Death Certificates to be accepted as Voter ID ? It has worked in Chicago for decades ... and so many other places #FACT
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are Democrats still pushing for Death Certificates to be accepted as Voter ID ? It has worked in Chicago for decades ... and so many other places #FACT
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
yippeeee more toxic air in our environment !! thx rump
LETS MAKE COAL GREAT AGAIN
Truly cant wait for this guy [trump] to join his buddy epstein and kirk
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Hooray for more toxic air, thanks to trump! Trump regime relaxes limits on toxic air pollutants (AP)The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday weakened limits on mercury and other toxic emissions from coal-fired power plants. The announcement was made at a large coal plant in red state Kentucky.
yippeeee more toxic air in our environment !! thx rump
LETS MAKE COAL GREAT AGAIN
Truly cant wait for this guy [trump] to join his buddy epstein and kirk
are Democrats still pushing for Death Certificates to be accepted as Voter ID ? It has worked in Chicago for decades ... and so many other places #FACT
Voting fraud is very rare. Claims about dead people voting are often overblown. In some cases, small number of people died in period between when they mail ballot and election day. More common is clerical error such as confusing two people with similar name.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:
are Democrats still pushing for Death Certificates to be accepted as Voter ID ? It has worked in Chicago for decades ... and so many other places #FACT
Voting fraud is very rare. Claims about dead people voting are often overblown. In some cases, small number of people died in period between when they mail ballot and election day. More common is clerical error such as confusing two people with similar name.
In the 2 states I live in Nj you need theses which I fine with !
You are a citizen of the United States.
You a resident of New Jersey.
You are at least 18 years of age on Election Day.
In SC you need a photo identification or If you do not have one of the photo IDs listed above, you can vote by signing a reasonable impediment statement.
A “reasonable impediment” is something you can’t control that stops you from getting an accepted photo ID.
South Carolina accepts the following reasons:
lack of transportation
lack of birth certificate (or other necessary documents)
disability or illness
conflict with your work schedule
family responsibilities
religious objection to being photographed
any other obstacle you find reasonable For a state that is considered strictl what’s the difference? Down south foe older poor folk lack a birth certificate at a higher percentage than one might think!
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@Barbarossa
In the 2 states I live in Nj you need theses which I fine with !
You are a citizen of the United States.
You a resident of New Jersey.
You are at least 18 years of age on Election Day.
In SC you need a photo identification or If you do not have one of the photo IDs listed above, you can vote by signing a reasonable impediment statement.
A “reasonable impediment” is something you can’t control that stops you from getting an accepted photo ID.
South Carolina accepts the following reasons:
lack of transportation
lack of birth certificate (or other necessary documents)
disability or illness
conflict with your work schedule
family responsibilities
religious objection to being photographed
any other obstacle you find reasonable For a state that is considered strictl what’s the difference? Down south foe older poor folk lack a birth certificate at a higher percentage than one might think!
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