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    The officially ranked WORST U.S. Presidents in our history!

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    fubah2
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 1:37 PM ET #326

    an_light  In a bid to determine which presidents are viewed
    as the least successful in American history, U.S. News
    averaged the results of three recent scholarly surveys
    – the latest rankings from Siena College
    – the latest rankings from C-SPAN,
    – the 2024 rankings from the Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey

     

     After extensive debate  by  historians and experts
    throughout his presidency about where he might land
    upon a list of the Oval Office's worst, Donald Trump
    ranks as the third-WORST president.

                                     an_clap Historians & Experts!

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    an_light  In a bid to determine which presidents are viewed
    as the least successful in American history, U.S. News
    averaged the results of three recent scholarly surveys
    – the latest rankings from Siena College
    – the latest rankings from C-SPAN,
    – the 2024 rankings from the Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey

     

     After extensive debate  by  historians and experts
    throughout his presidency about where he might land
    upon a list of the Oval Office's worst, Donald Trump
    ranks as the third-WORST president.

                                     an_clap Historians & Experts!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 1:53 PM ET #327

    How many times are you guys going to keep batting around this silly topic and bumping for attention like this?

    If a thread is just being bumped with old unoriginal content I will just move the thread to the box. The idea of threads and comments are for discussion and to add value not to jockey for position in the forum or to intentionally tick other members off.

     

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    How many times are you guys going to keep batting around this silly topic and bumping for attention like this?

    If a thread is just being bumped with old unoriginal content I will just move the thread to the box. The idea of threads and comments are for discussion and to add value not to jockey for position in the forum or to intentionally tick other members off.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 1:54 PM ET #328

    an_ref  Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:

     

     

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters
        But even allies say he needs a refresher.

     


    NBC NEWS -

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent
    “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among
    allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details
    of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that
    has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four
    years since Jan. 6.

     

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    an_ref  Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:

     

     

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters
        But even allies say he needs a refresher.

     


    NBC NEWS -

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent
    “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among
    allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details
    of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that
    has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four
    years since Jan. 6.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 1:56 PM ET #329

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.  

     

    NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6.


    Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.


    an_light   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been
          convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,
      with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. an_clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.  

     

    NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6.


    Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.


    an_light   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been
          convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,
      with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. an_clap

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 2:09 PM ET #330

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison.

    Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison.

    Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 3:16 PM ET #331

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah.

    @Europa

     That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them.

    But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah.

    @Europa

     That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them.

    But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 7:53 PM ET #332

    How about we "box" this thread and/or the liberal square dancers that add zero value to this forum... 

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    How about we "box" this thread and/or the liberal square dancers that add zero value to this forum... 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 8:05 PM ET #333

    Responding to the question posed by Wall... 

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    Responding to the question posed by Wall... 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2024 - 8:09 PM ET #334

    You can see they " laid low " for 5 days from your threat, and then it's business as usual from them... They do not respect you. 

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    You can see they " laid low " for 5 days from your threat, and then it's business as usual from them... They do not respect you. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    @fubah2

    Can't speak for Europa but that makes sense from the pov of appearances to pardon some but not all.

    But I agree with Europa,  there would be backlash

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    @fubah2

    Can't speak for Europa but that makes sense from the pov of appearances to pardon some but not all.

    But I agree with Europa,  there would be backlash

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. @Europa  That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them. But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency.

    Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot. 

    I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.   NBC NEWS - WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s recent “Meet the Press” interview has triggered concerns among allies and critics about his level of awareness of the details of the sprawling investigation into the Capitol attack that has produced hundreds of convictions in the nearly four years since Jan. 6. Trump’s recent comments made clear to them that Trump hasn’t kept up to speed on the Jan. 6 docket.   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. @Europa  That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them. But Europa, what do you think:  could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency.

    Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot. 

    I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts. 

     
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     peace_5

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     peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2024 - 4:00 AM ET #338

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.  

    Absurd for Trump to pardon January 6 criminals.  Even if they are pardoned, the historical record can't be erased.  Books cannot be unpublished. The world still know what they did.  His push for pardons is based on lies claiming stolen 2020 election and weaponization of government.  Purpose of pardon is supposed to be to correct injustices by federal courts that society decided are wrong.  However polls show most Americans don't support January 6 criminals.  Danger of Trump pardons is encouraging more political violence in the future. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters    But even allies say he needs a refresher.  

    Absurd for Trump to pardon January 6 criminals.  Even if they are pardoned, the historical record can't be erased.  Books cannot be unpublished. The world still know what they did.  His push for pardons is based on lies claiming stolen 2020 election and weaponization of government.  Purpose of pardon is supposed to be to correct injustices by federal courts that society decided are wrong.  However polls show most Americans don't support January 6 criminals.  Danger of Trump pardons is encouraging more political violence in the future. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. @Europa  That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them.

     

    But Europa, what do you think: 

    could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency. Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot.  I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts.

    @Europa

     I think he will get and deserve any backlash regardless of side or reason.  None of those criminals deserve a pardon.  But that racist/rapist/INSURRECTIONIST/CONVICTED FELON always seems to find a way to escape the worst and turn it into something that works for HIM.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   More than 1,100 MAGA defendants have been       convicted in the sprawling Capitol breach probe,  with more than 600 being sentenced to prison. Trump could pardon some of those Jan 6 convicts but not all of them, which may leave those non-pardoned convicts wondering the conscious selectivity of the clemency. This might make these non-pardoned supporters turned the back on him in the end, Fubah. @Europa  That's true!   I mean a MAGA fanatic would be royally pissed after he had willfully  committed an illegal act at the direction of and FOR the authoritarian asshole he worshipped and yet he pardons some but not all of them.

     

    But Europa, what do you think: 

    could trump indirectly benefit to some degree by wrongfully pardoning some MAGA criminals but not others -- because the magnanimous prick would then claim he pardoned the few who were allegedly wrongly convicted but the others were acting on completely on their own (ie, supporting his LIE that he did not incite them to crime, it was their own fault!)

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency. Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot.  I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts.

    @Europa

     I think he will get and deserve any backlash regardless of side or reason.  None of those criminals deserve a pardon.  But that racist/rapist/INSURRECTIONIST/CONVICTED FELON always seems to find a way to escape the worst and turn it into something that works for HIM.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2024 - 4:43 AM ET #340

    @fubah2

     an_popcornwhat else is going on in your personal life ? a lot of Joy ? 

    The Pastor of Disaster
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    @fubah2

     an_popcornwhat else is going on in your personal life ? a lot of Joy ? 

     
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    Chew on this......

     

    https://rollingout.com/2024/12/06/biden-is-voted-the-worst-president-in-american-history-see-where-trump-ranks/

    Voters have pronounced Joe Biden the WORST president in over 50 years, delivering a scathing verdict on his tenure in office. The Daily Mail, a UK paper, released results of a poll that ranked modern presidents from best to worst. He ranked lower than Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon. The highest-rated presidents, according to the poll, are Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama.

     

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/12/15/bidens-polling-hits-historic-low/

    President Joe Biden’s approval rating in November was 37%, the lowest mark for any U.S. president at that point in their first term since former President Jimmy Carter, according to Gallup polling.

     

     

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    Chew on this......

     

    https://rollingout.com/2024/12/06/biden-is-voted-the-worst-president-in-american-history-see-where-trump-ranks/

    Voters have pronounced Joe Biden the WORST president in over 50 years, delivering a scathing verdict on his tenure in office. The Daily Mail, a UK paper, released results of a poll that ranked modern presidents from best to worst. He ranked lower than Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon. The highest-rated presidents, according to the poll, are Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama.

     

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/12/15/bidens-polling-hits-historic-low/

    President Joe Biden’s approval rating in November was 37%, the lowest mark for any U.S. president at that point in their first term since former President Jimmy Carter, according to Gallup polling.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 8:22 PM ET #342

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:    

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters  

    .

    Trump told NBC News’ Kristen Welker that he’ll
    be “acting very quickly” on Jan. 6 pardons...

    He also appeared to mistakenly believe that
    most or all Jan. 6 defendants were being held
    in the jail in Washington

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:    

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters  

    .

    Trump told NBC News’ Kristen Welker that he’ll
    be “acting very quickly” on Jan. 6 pardons...

    He also appeared to mistakenly believe that
    most or all Jan. 6 defendants were being held
    in the jail in Washington

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 8:25 PM ET #343

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters   . Trump told NBC News’ Kristen Welker that he’ll be “acting very quickly” on Jan. 6 pardons... He also appeared to mistakenly believe that most or all Jan. 6 defendants were being held in the jail in Washington
    NBC news ...

     

    [the convicted FELON] is weeks away from being sworn in,
    a day he has said that he’ll “most likely” begin
    immediately pardoning Jan. 6 defendants.

    “I’ll be looking at J6 early on, maybe the first 9 minutes,”
    Trump told Time magazine. “We’re going to look at each
    individual case, and we’re going to do it very quickly,
    and it’s going to start in the first hour that I get into office.
    And a vast majority of them should not be in jail.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:     Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters   . Trump told NBC News’ Kristen Welker that he’ll be “acting very quickly” on Jan. 6 pardons... He also appeared to mistakenly believe that most or all Jan. 6 defendants were being held in the jail in Washington
    NBC news ...

     

    [the convicted FELON] is weeks away from being sworn in,
    a day he has said that he’ll “most likely” begin
    immediately pardoning Jan. 6 defendants.

    “I’ll be looking at J6 early on, maybe the first 9 minutes,”
    Trump told Time magazine. “We’re going to look at each
    individual case, and we’re going to do it very quickly,
    and it’s going to start in the first hour that I get into office.
    And a vast majority of them should not be in jail.”

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2025 - 2:25 AM ET #344

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency. Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot.  I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts.

    @Europa

    Either pardon all those convicted criminals who broke the law (like a real POS might do) or pardon none.  Is he all about law & orderr or not?

    Personally I hope he pardons a handful only

    The backlash could be a made for TV movie of the year!  an_dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    I think those Jan 6 convicts have virtually expected that Trump would pardon himself or herself when he returns to the White House next year. Many of the convicts will not be very happy if they are not on the list of Trump's clemency. Unless Trump pardons all of the Jan 6 convicts, guys whom should be left behind could be very well not pleased with Mr. Trump and regrated to have participated in that Capitol riot.  I agreed with Zeus4par, there will be backlash from those unpardoned convicts.

    @Europa

    Either pardon all those convicted criminals who broke the law (like a real POS might do) or pardon none.  Is he all about law & orderr or not?

    Personally I hope he pardons a handful only

    The backlash could be a made for TV movie of the year!  an_dance

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2025 - 2:29 AM ET #345

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:    

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters   

     

     

     

    Absurd for Trump to pardon January 6 criminals.  Even if they are pardoned, the historical record can't be erased.  Books cannot be unpublished. The world still know what they did.  His push for pardons is based on lies claiming stolen 2020 election and weaponization of government.  Purpose of pardon is supposed to be to correct injustices by federal courts that society decided are wrong.  However polls show most Americans don't support January 6 criminals.  Danger of Trump pardons is encouraging more political violence in the future.

    @thirdperson

     I hope the POS goes ahead and does the wrong thing, proving he is a total asshole and confirming he deserves the ranking as the worst president in AMERICAN history 

    an_popcorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Another reason that historians and Poli-sci scholars will likely continue to rank trump at the bottom of all US presidents:    

    Trump is still vowing to pardon Jan. 6 rioters   

     

     

     

    Absurd for Trump to pardon January 6 criminals.  Even if they are pardoned, the historical record can't be erased.  Books cannot be unpublished. The world still know what they did.  His push for pardons is based on lies claiming stolen 2020 election and weaponization of government.  Purpose of pardon is supposed to be to correct injustices by federal courts that society decided are wrong.  However polls show most Americans don't support January 6 criminals.  Danger of Trump pardons is encouraging more political violence in the future.

    @thirdperson

     I hope the POS goes ahead and does the wrong thing, proving he is a total asshole and confirming he deserves the ranking as the worst president in AMERICAN history 

    an_popcorn

     
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    Yet ANOTHER reason contributing to why so many BIPARTISAN poli-sci scholars/historians rate trump as the WORST president in post WW2 USA (if not out entire history) . . .

     

    Trump to Europe:

    Buy more of our oil and gas  or face tariffs! an_arsed

     

    CNN —

    President-elect Donald "the convicted felon & sex-offender" Trump doubled down on his tariff threats, pledging to raise tariffs on European Union nations unless they increase their purchases of American oil and gas...

     

     

    **Tariffs on imported goods hurt American business and the American consumer.

    More on this coming . . .

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    Yet ANOTHER reason contributing to why so many BIPARTISAN poli-sci scholars/historians rate trump as the WORST president in post WW2 USA (if not out entire history) . . .

     

    Trump to Europe:

    Buy more of our oil and gas  or face tariffs! an_arsed

     

    CNN —

    President-elect Donald "the convicted felon & sex-offender" Trump doubled down on his tariff threats, pledging to raise tariffs on European Union nations unless they increase their purchases of American oil and gas...

     

     

    **Tariffs on imported goods hurt American business and the American consumer.

    More on this coming . . .

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2025 - 2:25 AM ET #347

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    . . . President-elect Donald "the convicted felon & sex-offender" Trump doubled down on his tariff threats, pledging to raise tariffs on European Union nations unless they increase their purchases of American oil and gas...     **Tariffs on imported goods hurt American business and the American consumer. .

    Trump doesn't seem to understand that US has a trade deficit with most countries because rich countries can afford to buy more from poor countries.  So international trade is mutually beneficial while a trade war would be harmful to US and other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    . . . President-elect Donald "the convicted felon & sex-offender" Trump doubled down on his tariff threats, pledging to raise tariffs on European Union nations unless they increase their purchases of American oil and gas...     **Tariffs on imported goods hurt American business and the American consumer. .

    Trump doesn't seem to understand that US has a trade deficit with most countries because rich countries can afford to buy more from poor countries.  So international trade is mutually beneficial while a trade war would be harmful to US and other countries.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2025 - 3:05 AM ET #348

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump doesn't seem to understand that US has a trade deficit with most countries because rich countries can afford to buy more from poor countries.  So international trade is mutually beneficial while a trade war would be harmful to US and other countries.

    he clearly does not understand

    he also thinks tariffs only hurt the country he is targeting and does not hurt americans at all

    chump = moron 

     

     

    and disgusting sex offender

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump doesn't seem to understand that US has a trade deficit with most countries because rich countries can afford to buy more from poor countries.  So international trade is mutually beneficial while a trade war would be harmful to US and other countries.

    he clearly does not understand

    he also thinks tariffs only hurt the country he is targeting and does not hurt americans at all

    chump = moron 

     

     

    and disgusting sex offender

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2025 - 5:22 PM ET #349

    While  our nation mourns at the funeral of Jimmy Carter today and the ongoing devastation from wildfires, no class Donnie Trump is raging with blame pointed at Governor Newsom and democrats, at the same time he loses his THIRD appeal to have his criminal conviction sentencing paused until after January 21

     

    He is still upset that the flags are flown at half staff because he believes that affects his image.

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    While  our nation mourns at the funeral of Jimmy Carter today and the ongoing devastation from wildfires, no class Donnie Trump is raging with blame pointed at Governor Newsom and democrats, at the same time he loses his THIRD appeal to have his criminal conviction sentencing paused until after January 21

     

    He is still upset that the flags are flown at half staff because he believes that affects his image.

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2025 - 1:14 AM ET #350

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    While  our nation mourns at the funeral of Jimmy Carter today and the ongoing devastation from wildfires, no class Donnie Trump is raging with blame pointed at Governor Newsom and democrats, at the same time he loses his THIRD appeal to have his criminal conviction sentencing paused until after January 21   He is still upset that the flags are flown at half staff because he believes that affects his image.

    More PROOF of how wretched an asshole trump is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    While  our nation mourns at the funeral of Jimmy Carter today and the ongoing devastation from wildfires, no class Donnie Trump is raging with blame pointed at Governor Newsom and democrats, at the same time he loses his THIRD appeal to have his criminal conviction sentencing paused until after January 21   He is still upset that the flags are flown at half staff because he believes that affects his image.

    More PROOF of how wretched an asshole trump is

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