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"A people under occupation will continue to resist in any way it can. If Israel wants peace, it will have to talk to Hamas, like Britain did with the IRA. Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Palestinian people, and cannot be ignored.
Israel’s response to the rocket attacks has been quite out of proportion. Almost a hundred Palestinians have been killed for every Israeli. The situation is like that in South Africa before 1990. It cannot continue."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-1jjLRXmIck#t=114s



https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/08/stephen-hawking-israel-academic-boycott






Now if only US politicians could get the message......


Maybe it is time Ron Paul takes the oval office..
 
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"from the river to the sea, from the north to the south - is our land and our right. There will be no surrender of even the smallest piece of it. Palestine was and still is Arab + Islamic"

-- Khaled Mashaal

 

 
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And there shouldn't be any surrender...

But how is it America's role to play police in that situation.

Not our problem anymore....... This isn't the Cold War.....
 
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you say they should talk to hamas, yet hamas should not surrender anything

sounds like a fruitful sit down

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

"Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Palestinian people, and cannot be ignored.
Israel’s response to the rocket attacks has been quite out of


Its true. I personally watched Hamas, weapons inhand, escort voters to the polling places.

Saddam Hussein was also elected in similar fashion, Castro, Hitler, etc.

 
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I'm sure the Mossad is terrified of a guy in a wheelchair.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Its true. I personally watched Hamas, weapons inhand, escort voters to the polling places.

Saddam Hussein was also elected in similar fashion, Castro, Hitler, etc.



Ok buddy.

But counterintuitively...

What happened in Florida in 2000? 

Security guards with glock 17s were stationed outside of polling locations in republican districts..

Same happened in earlier elections in the 60s 70s and 80s....Voter suppression in the US is still prevalent today........

Point is both the israel and palestinian leaders should come to the table and work out their differences and the israeli's should give up what the palestinians deserve and end the occupation......

Again hamas is NOT a religious oriented terrorist group..... NATIONALLY ROOTED.....meaning there is room for comprise.

Netanyahu is the worst leader israel has ever seen.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



Ok buddy.

But counterintuitively...

What happened in Florida in 2000? 

Security guards with glock 17s were stationed outside of polling locations in republican districts..

Same happened in earlier elections in the 60s 70s and 80s....Voter suppression in the US is still prevalent today........

Point is both the israel and palestinian leaders should come to the table and work out their differences and the israeli's should give up what the palestinians deserve and end the occupation......

Again hamas is NOT a religious oriented terrorist group..... NATIONALLY ROOTED.....meaning there is room for comprise.

Netanyahu is the worst leader israel has ever seen.

Yes, voter suppression in the US is certainly akin to that in Palestine.

By the way, want to take a guess at who citizens in Palestine complain to about voter intimidation?

Oh yeah...the military that is controlled by the government in power. Sounds reasonable.

And please tell me the positions that Hamas has taken that show their ability to compromise?

And I certainly know you don't consider Hamas a terrorist group.

 
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Wait, what,  

they are not religious oriented terrorist group.  

Here is their charter.

Granted, you probably know much more than me on the subject.  I agree that the Palestinian people should have the right to self determination.  Let's be real.  Hamas is not interested in an American style revolution to benefit mankind, and free the people.  Observing them as some sort of de-facto goto government for the UN is dangerous.  
They just want to grasp the control of their land so that they can more effectively install a theocratic oligarchy.  




 
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https://www.cfr.org/israel/hamas/p8968


Hamas as seen by the CFR
 
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djbro,

Point is there's voter suppression everywhere. Yeah the levels and conditions are worse in certain places.. but why can't felons or even people on parole or probation vote.... That's voter suppression

Where has Israel compromised...? The point is there is very little compromise on both sides, and I'm not going to justify it one way or another, and there isn't enough neutrality to end the stalemate...

rick,

hamas is the more radical PLO.... yes hamas may have religious roots and it may be nationally rooted in religion, if that makes sense. But there agendas and goals aren't predicated as nearly as heavily on religion.

 
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whats an academic boycott?
 
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hamas is the more radical PLO.... yes hamas may have religious roots and it may be nationally rooted in religion, if that makes sense. But there agendas and goals aren't predicated as nearly as heavily on religion. 

Did you read the charter? 
They are the most radically religious group I have ever heard of.  
And their goals of eliminating Israel are religiously based. 

The more I read about these guys from the CFR and other white papers the more I think that they are a radical religious terrorist organization.  

I do not think there is any way to spin them as a secular group concerned with civil liberties.  

That would be the same mistake we made in Egypt, Libya, and now possibly in Syria. 
 
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Hawking has a right to boycott anything he wishes.

Israelis who denounce him look especially foolish.

djbrow----you need to settle down with the pro-Israeli rhetoric. I have traveled extensively there as well and have different, but no less intellectual, leanings than you.


 
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This just means there'll be an extra handicap room available at the Tel Aviv Sheraton.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



Ok buddy.

But counterintuitively...

What happened in Florida in 2000? 

Security guards with glock 17s were stationed outside of polling locations in republican districts..

Same happened in earlier elections in the 60s 70s and 80s....Voter suppression in the US is still prevalent today........

Point is both the israel and palestinian leaders should come to the table and work out their differences and the israeli's should give up what the palestinians deserve and end the occupation......

Again hamas is NOT a religious oriented terrorist group..... NATIONALLY ROOTED.....meaning there is room for comprise.

Netanyahu is the worst leader israel has ever seen.

and we want to spread our way of government to the rest of the world
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

djbro,

Point is there's voter suppression everywhere. Yeah the levels and conditions are worse in certain places.. but why can't felons or even people on parole or probation vote.... That's voter suppression

Where has Israel compromised...? The point is there is very little compromise on both sides, and I'm not going to justify it one way or another, and there isn't enough neutrality to end the stalemate...




Israel turned over the biggest tourist attraction in the region to the Palestinians. Where is their compromise?

As for voter suppression, there are various levels. Not sure there is anything else I need to add to that.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mellow_wolf:

Hawking has a right to boycott anything he wishes.

Israelis who denounce him look especially foolish.

djbrow----you need to settle down with the pro-Israeli rhetoric. I have traveled extensively there as well and have different, but no less intellectual, leanings than you.



Actually, it is you who looks foolish by equating criticism of Hamas with pro-Israel rhetoric. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


Actually, it is you who looks foolish by equating criticism of Hamas with pro-Israel rhetoric. 


No. If that is the way you choose to interpret your own commentary, so be it. Israel is with many faults as well, of which I am sure you are aware.
 
There is much more complexity than the unilateral ideas which are generally mass presented and subscribed to in the media.

Main point is, Hawking has a right to choose not to attend and any democratic and "free" state should see the hypocrisy in criticizing him for his actions. Does Israel?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mellow_wolf:



No. If that is the way you choose to interpret your own commentary, so be it. Israel is with many faults as well, of which I am sure you are aware.
 
There is much more complexity than the unilateral ideas which are generally mass presented and subscribed to in the media.

Main point is, Hawking has a right to choose not to attend and any democratic and "free" state should see the hypocrisy in criticizing him for his actions. Does Israel?

Of course he CAN be criticized for his actions. And he CAN be defended as well. I guess I don't understand what you are saying here. 

No doubt Israeli officials will criticize just as US officials would criticize someone for doing the same protest of US policy.
 
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"If Israel wants peace, it will have to talk to Hamas, like Britain did with the IRA"

Has Hamas shown any interest whatsoever in a peaceful negotiation with Israel?

The answer to that is a resounding "no". It's hard to negotiate with a party who believes that the very sovereign nation that you are a part of has no right to exist.

Negotiations and talks require two parties willing to compromise. Hamas is not a willing party. Israel has shown the ability to compromise as per its negotiations with Fatah. Hamas is a radical Islamic organization. When is the last time you heard of a radical Islamist organization compromising on anything?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


Israel turned over the biggest tourist attraction in the region to the Palestinians. Where is their compromise?

As for voter suppression, there are various levels. Not sure there is anything else I need to add to that.


Palestinian leaders have compromised from the get go...

https://www.usip.org/files/resources/sr158.pdf

Public opinion is crucially important and a vast majority support a 2 state solution through peaceful measures. But of course over the past 5-10 years Hamas has regained more influence over the decision making process which has certainly been harmful but their actions don't dismiss the disproportionate retaliation efforts from the Israelis.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"If Israel wants peace, it will have to talk to Hamas, like Britain did with the IRA"

Has Hamas shown any interest whatsoever in a peaceful negotiation with Israel?

The answer to that is a resounding "no". It's hard to negotiate with a party who believes that the very sovereign nation that you are a part of has no right to exist.

Negotiations and talks require two parties willing to compromise. Hamas is not a willing party. Israel has shown the ability to compromise as per its negotiations with Fatah. Hamas is a radical Islamic organization. When is the last time you heard of a radical Islamist organization compromising on anything?


Until Israel shows that their military action is not disproportionate to the size of Palestine and their army only then can you justify that..

Just look up the casualty rates of the 2nd Lebanon War, that will give you a better and less bias understanding that you seem to maintain when examining this conflict..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



Palestinian leaders have compromised from the get go...

https://www.usip.org/files/resources/sr158.pdf

Public opinion is crucially important and a vast majority support a 2 state solution through peaceful measures. But of course over the past 5-10 years Hamas has regained more influence over the decision making process which has certainly been harmful but their actions don't dismiss the disproportionate retaliation efforts from the Israelis.

Obviously, you think invading Afghanistan was disproportionate to 9/11. Sad you think that you.

ANd your article doesn't cite one example of overtures to compromise. It merely discusses Palestinian polls.

When you google for responses, you should actually read the article.

 
 
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Does Hamas believe that Israel has a right to exist? 
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