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    SO ANOTHER FEDERAL JUDGE SLAPS DOWN trump

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    darkhorse12
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 10:35 PM ET #1

    on his sanctuary city exec order. The DF will never learn.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    on his sanctuary city exec order. The DF will never learn.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 10:43 PM ET #2

    Sessions is odd as a legislative representive from Alabama he championed state rights as age he has completely reversed position. It is amazing.
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    Sessions is odd as a legislative representive from Alabama he championed state rights as age he has completely reversed position. It is amazing.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 11:07 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    on his sanctuary city exec order. The DF will never learn.


    You sound like you want our President to fail ....

    Do you support cities looking the other way when it comes to illegal aliens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    on his sanctuary city exec order. The DF will never learn.


    You sound like you want our President to fail ....

    Do you support cities looking the other way when it comes to illegal aliens?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 11:12 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You sound like you want our President to fail ....

    Do you support cities looking the other way when it comes to illegal aliens?

    If he fails it's because of the crap he pulls. He violated the constitution slim. You do believe in the constitution don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You sound like you want our President to fail ....

    Do you support cities looking the other way when it comes to illegal aliens?

    If he fails it's because of the crap he pulls. He violated the constitution slim. You do believe in the constitution don't you?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 11:21 PM ET #5

    The Constitution vests the spending power in Congress, not the President, so the Order cannot constitutionally place new conditions on federal funds
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    The Constitution vests the spending power in Congress, not the President, so the Order cannot constitutionally place new conditions on federal funds
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2017 - 11:55 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    If he fails it's because of the crap he pulls. He violated the constitution slim. You do believe in the constitution don't you?



    How is that Darkhorse?


    To my knowledge... no such executive order by President Trump currently exists.

    No order to pull or reduce funding or withhold funding to sanctuary cities has yet been given by our President ...

    Now,, if you can post that EO ..I'd love to see it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    If he fails it's because of the crap he pulls. He violated the constitution slim. You do believe in the constitution don't you?



    How is that Darkhorse?


    To my knowledge... no such executive order by President Trump currently exists.

    No order to pull or reduce funding or withhold funding to sanctuary cities has yet been given by our President ...

    Now,, if you can post that EO ..I'd love to see it..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 12:24 AM ET #7

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.
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    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.


    That's right Judges ( even if they were bundlers for Obama) have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.

    In this case what EO did President Trump issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.


    That's right Judges ( even if they were bundlers for Obama) have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.

    In this case what EO did President Trump issue?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 2:17 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.


    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.


    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 6:31 AM ET #10

    What a fukking joke! All executive orders should just go directly to the supreme court to save everyone's time. Both the travel ban order and sanctuary city order will be upheld by the supreme court.

    I predict when both orders are shown to be lawful that no one will cover it but fox news, fox business network and the blaze.

    It's going to be nice to hear the honorable neil gorsuch scold little snowflake liberals for governing with their hearts and not following the constitution and the law. 

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    What a fukking joke! All executive orders should just go directly to the supreme court to save everyone's time. Both the travel ban order and sanctuary city order will be upheld by the supreme court.

    I predict when both orders are shown to be lawful that no one will cover it but fox news, fox business network and the blaze.

    It's going to be nice to hear the honorable neil gorsuch scold little snowflake liberals for governing with their hearts and not following the constitution and the law. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 8:25 AM ET #11

    I have to fix your title as it should say:

    Another Liberal tyrannical activist judge{This one who raised 200K for Obama} violated the law by not allowing Trump to punish sanctuary cities

    Sancutary Cities aka: A way for Democrats to have a voting base

    Protecting the guilty at the expense of the innocent....And you wonder why you lost November 8th

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    I have to fix your title as it should say:

    Another Liberal tyrannical activist judge{This one who raised 200K for Obama} violated the law by not allowing Trump to punish sanctuary cities

    Sancutary Cities aka: A way for Democrats to have a voting base

    Protecting the guilty at the expense of the innocent....And you wonder why you lost November 8th

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.



    it's amazing how many people have no idea how our immigration system works.  cities, states, local governments have no affirmative duty to do anything regarding immigration, and that includes notifying the federal government of anything.  immigration obligations are 100% federal.

    cites/counties can help if they want or not help if they want. 

    when people talk about "sanctuary cities" i suspect they really don't have much of an idea of what that means because they don't know what the various responsibilities are and how the feds find out about illegal immigrants.  but again, if a city decides not to help implement immigration laws in any way, they have every right under the law, just you or i have no legal responsibilities to implement immigration laws. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Judges have legal right to block President orders that violate laws under American system of checks and balances.  Immigration enforcement is the responsibility of federal government and not municipal governments.  Illegals aren't protected in sanctuary cities and can still be arrested by police if they commit non-immigration crimes.



    it's amazing how many people have no idea how our immigration system works.  cities, states, local governments have no affirmative duty to do anything regarding immigration, and that includes notifying the federal government of anything.  immigration obligations are 100% federal.

    cites/counties can help if they want or not help if they want. 

    when people talk about "sanctuary cities" i suspect they really don't have much of an idea of what that means because they don't know what the various responsibilities are and how the feds find out about illegal immigrants.  but again, if a city decides not to help implement immigration laws in any way, they have every right under the law, just you or i have no legal responsibilities to implement immigration laws. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 10:01 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.



    no
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.



    no
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:




    it's amazing how many people have no idea how our immigration system works.  cities, states, local governments have no affirmative duty to do anything regarding immigration, and that includes notifying the federal government of anything.  immigration obligations are 100% federal.

    cites/counties can help if they want or not help if they want. 

    when people talk about "sanctuary cities" i suspect they really don't have much of an idea of what that means because they don't know what the various responsibilities are and how the feds find out about illegal immigrants.  but again, if a city decides not to help implement immigration laws in any way, they have every right under the law, just you or i have no legal responsibilities to implement immigration laws. 

    Somebody give clubdirt a raise.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:




    it's amazing how many people have no idea how our immigration system works.  cities, states, local governments have no affirmative duty to do anything regarding immigration, and that includes notifying the federal government of anything.  immigration obligations are 100% federal.

    cites/counties can help if they want or not help if they want. 

    when people talk about "sanctuary cities" i suspect they really don't have much of an idea of what that means because they don't know what the various responsibilities are and how the feds find out about illegal immigrants.  but again, if a city decides not to help implement immigration laws in any way, they have every right under the law, just you or i have no legal responsibilities to implement immigration laws. 

    Somebody give clubdirt a raise.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 12:17 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.

    Where did I make a claim one way or the other in this post?

    It is a federal law that requires notification. That means what you posted is inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    Of course they can be arrested but the cops are supposed to notify ICE if they come across an undocumented person.  The sanctuary cities want to forgo the notification.

    Where did I make a claim one way or the other in this post?

    It is a federal law that requires notification. That means what you posted is inaccurate.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 12:20 PM ET #16

    Maybe I should have clarified that I was referring to a undocumented felon and not just a common person.
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    Maybe I should have clarified that I was referring to a undocumented felon and not just a common person.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 12:34 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Where did I make a claim one way or the other in this post?

    It is a federal law that requires notification. That means what you posted is inaccurate.



    what federal law would that be? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Where did I make a claim one way or the other in this post?

    It is a federal law that requires notification. That means what you posted is inaccurate.



    what federal law would that be? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 5:11 PM ET #18

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/12/01/do-sanctuary-cities-have-a-right-to-defy-trump/sanctuary-cities-must-cooperate-with-federal-enforcement
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    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/12/01/do-sanctuary-cities-have-a-right-to-defy-trump/sanctuary-cities-must-cooperate-with-federal-enforcement
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 6:53 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/12/01/do-sanctuary-cities-have-a-right-to-defy-trump/sanctuary-cities-must-cooperate-with-federal-enforcement
    I believe that's checkmate. Great post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/12/01/do-sanctuary-cities-have-a-right-to-defy-trump/sanctuary-cities-must-cooperate-with-federal-enforcement
    I believe that's checkmate. Great post.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 7:17 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:




    How is that Darkhorse?


    To my knowledge... no such executive order by President Trump currently exists.

    No order to pull or reduce funding or withhold funding to sanctuary cities has yet been given by our President ...

    Now,, if you can post that EO ..I'd love to see it..

    Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States

    Signed: Jan. 25, 2017

    The order outlines changes to a few immigration policies, but most notably it strips federal grant money to so-called sanctuary cities.

    In addition, the secretary of homeland security is ordered to hire 10,000 more immigration officers, create a publicly available weekly list of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants and review previous immigration policies.

    The order also creates an office to assist the victims of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants and calls on local and state police to detain or apprehend people in the United States illegally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:




    How is that Darkhorse?


    To my knowledge... no such executive order by President Trump currently exists.

    No order to pull or reduce funding or withhold funding to sanctuary cities has yet been given by our President ...

    Now,, if you can post that EO ..I'd love to see it..

    Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States

    Signed: Jan. 25, 2017

    The order outlines changes to a few immigration policies, but most notably it strips federal grant money to so-called sanctuary cities.

    In addition, the secretary of homeland security is ordered to hire 10,000 more immigration officers, create a publicly available weekly list of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants and review previous immigration policies.

    The order also creates an office to assist the victims of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants and calls on local and state police to detain or apprehend people in the United States illegally.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    I believe that's checkmate. Great post.

    that is an opinion piece and you know what they say about opinions. Yes, your mama had two..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    I believe that's checkmate. Great post.

    that is an opinion piece and you know what they say about opinions. Yes, your mama had two..
     
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    Funny isn't it that during trumps campaign how he detested exec orders saying that Obama used them because he couldn't lead and stated that the country wasn't supposed to be run by exec order. Amazing that in the first 100 days he has issued 9 more exec orders than Obama and 18 more than Bush. Shame all you right wing ballickers are to proud to admit you FU. 
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    Funny isn't it that during trumps campaign how he detested exec orders saying that Obama used them because he couldn't lead and stated that the country wasn't supposed to be run by exec order. Amazing that in the first 100 days he has issued 9 more exec orders than Obama and 18 more than Bush. Shame all you right wing ballickers are to proud to admit you FU. 
     
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    Does anyone disagree that we have a immigration problem?
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    Does anyone disagree that we have a immigration problem?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Funny isn't it that during trumps campaign how he detested exec orders saying that Obama used them because he couldn't lead and stated that the country wasn't supposed to be run by exec order. Amazing that in the first 100 days he has issued 9 more exec orders than Obama and 18 more than Bush. Shame all you right wing ballickers are to proud to admit you FU. 

    This....

    What is intriguing is how the right folks here and in the general public are so blind and excusing of Trump and his numerous blatant hypocritical blunders, yet hell if this very forum wasnt LITTERED with every single tiny tiny thing Obama did, everything was criticized, it was non-stop and never ending..

    Yet not a word about the dufous who has been much worse, plus his big fat mouth bashed the crap out of Obama for doing much less and in only 100 days.

    But as some here have said, its all about the agenda...who cares what Trump does, as long as the conservative agenda is forwarded then who the crap cares about anything else.

    Pathetic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Funny isn't it that during trumps campaign how he detested exec orders saying that Obama used them because he couldn't lead and stated that the country wasn't supposed to be run by exec order. Amazing that in the first 100 days he has issued 9 more exec orders than Obama and 18 more than Bush. Shame all you right wing ballickers are to proud to admit you FU. 

    This....

    What is intriguing is how the right folks here and in the general public are so blind and excusing of Trump and his numerous blatant hypocritical blunders, yet hell if this very forum wasnt LITTERED with every single tiny tiny thing Obama did, everything was criticized, it was non-stop and never ending..

    Yet not a word about the dufous who has been much worse, plus his big fat mouth bashed the crap out of Obama for doing much less and in only 100 days.

    But as some here have said, its all about the agenda...who cares what Trump does, as long as the conservative agenda is forwarded then who the crap cares about anything else.

    Pathetic...
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2017 - 9:42 PM ET #25

    '18 will be a hoot.

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    '18 will be a hoot.

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