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    R.I.P. to a great leader: Ariel Sharon

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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 6:47 PM ET #1

    https://www.timesofisrael
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 6:48 PM ET #2

    The USA Could use a man of such conviction and courage in charge these days.

    We haven't had leadership like this man since Ronald Wilson Reagan
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    The USA Could use a man of such conviction and courage in charge these days.

    We haven't had leadership like this man since Ronald Wilson Reagan
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 6:50 PM ET #3

    R.I.P. Prime minister Sharon
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    R.I.P. Prime minister Sharon
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 7:53 PM ET #4

    A great Israeli military hero...

    R.I.P.

    "Arik, King of Israel" ...
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    A great Israeli military hero...

    R.I.P.

    "Arik, King of Israel" ...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 8:33 PM ET #5

    A true hero, patriot, lion

    Can you imagine the pressure of running a country and keeping it safe when you're surrounded by enemies and so many anti Semites across the world
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    A true hero, patriot, lion

    Can you imagine the pressure of running a country and keeping it safe when you're surrounded by enemies and so many anti Semites across the world
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 8:51 PM ET #6

    GW Bush's remarks:

    "I was honored to know this man of courage and call him friend. He was a warrior for the ages and a partner in seeking security for the Holy Land and a better, peaceful Middle East. Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to Ariel's family and all who will dearly miss him,"

    BH Obama's remarks:

    "A leader who dedicated his life to the state of Israel"...  "deepest condolences" to Sharon's family....

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    GW Bush's remarks:

    "I was honored to know this man of courage and call him friend. He was a warrior for the ages and a partner in seeking security for the Holy Land and a better, peaceful Middle East. Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to Ariel's family and all who will dearly miss him,"

    BH Obama's remarks:

    "A leader who dedicated his life to the state of Israel"...  "deepest condolences" to Sharon's family....

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 11:05 PM ET #7

    Tributes coming in from across the world Slim.

    Only loathsome anti-semitic trolls that had been beaten up their whole lives by ninety seven pound kids wearing yamakas could say anything bad about this guy.

    Defending a country is an honorable thing....except to punks who are afraid of their own shadows and hide behind the skirts of woman & the shield of children while carrying out terrorist attacks against innocent civilians 


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    Tributes coming in from across the world Slim.

    Only loathsome anti-semitic trolls that had been beaten up their whole lives by ninety seven pound kids wearing yamakas could say anything bad about this guy.

    Defending a country is an honorable thing....except to punks who are afraid of their own shadows and hide behind the skirts of woman & the shield of children while carrying out terrorist attacks against innocent civilians 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2014 - 2:55 PM ET #9

    Ariel Sharon gave his life to Israel--to bring it into being, to sustain and preserve it, and at the end of his long service, to create a new political party committed to both a just peace and lasting security. It was an honor to work with him, argue with him, and watch him always trying to find the right path for his beloved country. Hillary and I join his fellow citizens in honoring his memory and offering our condolences to his sons and his family. 
    ~ Bill & Hillary Clinton 
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    Ariel Sharon gave his life to Israel--to bring it into being, to sustain and preserve it, and at the end of his long service, to create a new political party committed to both a just peace and lasting security. It was an honor to work with him, argue with him, and watch him always trying to find the right path for his beloved country. Hillary and I join his fellow citizens in honoring his memory and offering our condolences to his sons and his family. 
    ~ Bill & Hillary Clinton 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2014 - 3:17 PM ET #10

    As with most of the powerful leaders in the Middle East, Sharon was a polarizing and complicated individual. Interestingly, many people believe that he very possibly could have brought peace as his positions later in life were that Israel needed to have clear boundaries and he was on record stating that even Israeli settlements needed to go if they were beyond the set boundaries.

     

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    As with most of the powerful leaders in the Middle East, Sharon was a polarizing and complicated individual. Interestingly, many people believe that he very possibly could have brought peace as his positions later in life were that Israel needed to have clear boundaries and he was on record stating that even Israeli settlements needed to go if they were beyond the set boundaries.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    As with most of the powerful leaders in the Middle East, Sharon was a polarizing and complicated individual. Interestingly, many people believe that he very possibly could have brought peace as his positions later in life were that Israel needed to have clear boundaries and he was on record stating that even Israeli settlements needed to go if they were beyond the set boundaries.

     


    You have to wonder if those late life feelings when he had some power to effect change put a bullseye on him.

    Was it a "stroke" ?
    Timing is everything


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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    As with most of the powerful leaders in the Middle East, Sharon was a polarizing and complicated individual. Interestingly, many people believe that he very possibly could have brought peace as his positions later in life were that Israel needed to have clear boundaries and he was on record stating that even Israeli settlements needed to go if they were beyond the set boundaries.

     


    You have to wonder if those late life feelings when he had some power to effect change put a bullseye on him.

    Was it a "stroke" ?
    Timing is everything


     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2014 - 8:39 PM ET #12

    What I admired about Sharon was,, that he was a fighter who felt that all was fair in war against enemies on the battlefield and sometimes in the political arena....as it should be..
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    What I admired about Sharon was,, that he was a fighter who felt that all was fair in war against enemies on the battlefield and sometimes in the political arena....as it should be..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2014 - 7:51 AM ET #13

    At 2 p.m.  Sharon’s body will be laid to rest at Sycamore Farm in a full military ceremony. His casket will be carried by eight IDF major generals.

    A good statesman and soldier of peace...
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    At 2 p.m.  Sharon’s body will be laid to rest at Sycamore Farm in a full military ceremony. His casket will be carried by eight IDF major generals.

    A good statesman and soldier of peace...
     
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    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........
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    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2014 - 4:48 PM ET #15

    Well,President Obama compared Nelson Mandela to Gandhi,  Martin Luther King or Abraham Lincoln..now there's a real stretch for you ..
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    one of the great warrior's of our time.

    RIP you will be missed.
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    one of the great warrior's of our time.

    RIP you will be missed.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........



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    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.
    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........


    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html

    As far as the I/P issue goes Israel fires in self-defense. The I/P conflict started in 1948 and persists to this day due to Arab refusal to accept a Jewish State. Had the Arabs achieved their stated goal of pushing Israel into the Sea would you be here wringing your hands about, "cruelties and injustices against the Israeli people?" If the military strengths of the two sides were reversed for even 15 minutes at any times during the past 66 years do you think there would be an Israel? To those not morally blind, considering the weaponry Israel has and the repeated attempts to destroy it, Israel has been pretty restrained.
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    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.
    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........


    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html

    As far as the I/P issue goes Israel fires in self-defense. The I/P conflict started in 1948 and persists to this day due to Arab refusal to accept a Jewish State. Had the Arabs achieved their stated goal of pushing Israel into the Sea would you be here wringing your hands about, "cruelties and injustices against the Israeli people?" If the military strengths of the two sides were reversed for even 15 minutes at any times during the past 66 years do you think there would be an Israel? To those not morally blind, considering the weaponry Israel has and the repeated attempts to destroy it, Israel has been pretty restrained.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:



    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html

    As far as the I/P issue goes Israel fires in self-defense. The I/P conflict started in 1948 and persists to this day due to Arab refusal to accept a Jewish State. Had the Arabs achieved their stated goal of pushing Israel into the Sea would you be here wringing your hands about, "cruelties and injustices against the Israeli people?" If the military strengths of the two sides were reversed for even 15 minutes at any times during the past 66 years do you think there would be an Israel? To those not morally blind, considering the weaponry Israel has and the repeated attempts to destroy it, Israel has been pretty restrained.


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    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html

    As far as the I/P issue goes Israel fires in self-defense. The I/P conflict started in 1948 and persists to this day due to Arab refusal to accept a Jewish State. Had the Arabs achieved their stated goal of pushing Israel into the Sea would you be here wringing your hands about, "cruelties and injustices against the Israeli people?" If the military strengths of the two sides were reversed for even 15 minutes at any times during the past 66 years do you think there would be an Israel? To those not morally blind, considering the weaponry Israel has and the repeated attempts to destroy it, Israel has been pretty restrained.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2014 - 11:17 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........


    As opposed to that guy that put gasoline filled tires around the necks of many men and set them on fire. Oh that's right, that was
    Nelson Mandela.

    I think you have you burka in a knot.

    Israel has been VERY restrained
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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    RIP-

    This man was great at spreading false intelligence/propaganda to the USA and world in order to get them to do Israel's bidding. He was excellent at disseminating the lies that led to the war in Iraq, which we now see will fall to the previously non-existent presence of Al Queda.

    We have lost a truly great manipulator of US policy strictly for the purpose of helping Israel at the expense of the US. Not to mention, the cruelties and injustices he spearheaded against the Palestinian people.

    You fools make this man out to be Mother Theresa........


    As opposed to that guy that put gasoline filled tires around the necks of many men and set them on fire. Oh that's right, that was
    Nelson Mandela.

    I think you have you burka in a knot.

    Israel has been VERY restrained
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2014 - 11:26 PM ET #22

    esplanade, talk to me my friend...

    Israel is the voice of common sense.
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    esplanade, talk to me my friend...

    Israel is the voice of common sense.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2014 - 2:42 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:



    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html



    "What ever makes you feel good...."

    Oh boy, that is just dripping in irony.

    Yes, Israel recommended that the US attack Iran instead of Iraq because they believed they were the greater threat.....TO ISRAEL. They still fully supported Iraq being a threat. How noble of Israel to peddle the wars that are in their best interest, rather than avoid conflict, death, and violence. Who is the threat again?

    Once it was determined that the US would not attack Iran, Israel jumped into the Iraqi-war propaganda campaign with full-force. They were a frontrunner in championing the WMD lies. Poster-child Ariel Sharon can be viewed peddling these lies on the world-stage to our congress and other organizations.

    The truth makes me feel good. There is video footage of Sharon in action, lying to our congress about Israeli intelligence pertaining to WMDs and Al Queda in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:



    Actually the Israeli government warned Bush against attacking Iraq, but whatever makes you feel good:
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html



    "What ever makes you feel good...."

    Oh boy, that is just dripping in irony.

    Yes, Israel recommended that the US attack Iran instead of Iraq because they believed they were the greater threat.....TO ISRAEL. They still fully supported Iraq being a threat. How noble of Israel to peddle the wars that are in their best interest, rather than avoid conflict, death, and violence. Who is the threat again?

    Once it was determined that the US would not attack Iran, Israel jumped into the Iraqi-war propaganda campaign with full-force. They were a frontrunner in championing the WMD lies. Poster-child Ariel Sharon can be viewed peddling these lies on the world-stage to our congress and other organizations.

    The truth makes me feel good. There is video footage of Sharon in action, lying to our congress about Israeli intelligence pertaining to WMDs and Al Queda in Iraq.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2014 - 11:06 AM ET #24

    You don't have the truth as you're living in an alternate universe where Israel is a threat, and tells the US what to do. The fact of the matter is that having a strong ally in Israel in the ME region greatly aids the US both militarily and financially. And Israel doesn't tell us what to do; we tell them. Actually, we tie their hands when they fight back vs those seeking to annihilate them. Do you read the news? At all? Not that it would matter, as your mind runs not on facts, but the facts you imagine in your head. When Israel flies planes into American skyscrapers then you can come back and tell us it's "the real threat."
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    You don't have the truth as you're living in an alternate universe where Israel is a threat, and tells the US what to do. The fact of the matter is that having a strong ally in Israel in the ME region greatly aids the US both militarily and financially. And Israel doesn't tell us what to do; we tell them. Actually, we tie their hands when they fight back vs those seeking to annihilate them. Do you read the news? At all? Not that it would matter, as your mind runs not on facts, but the facts you imagine in your head. When Israel flies planes into American skyscrapers then you can come back and tell us it's "the real threat."
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2014 - 11:11 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:

      When Israel flies planes into American skyscrapers then you can come back and tell us it's "the real threat."

    Interesting you bring this up. The poster you are referencing actually believes that Israel was behind 9/11 so you might need a different analogy to make your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottLandau:

      When Israel flies planes into American skyscrapers then you can come back and tell us it's "the real threat."

    Interesting you bring this up. The poster you are referencing actually believes that Israel was behind 9/11 so you might need a different analogy to make your point.

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