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    Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey ranks Biden #14!! ...Obama #7 ...GWBush #32 ...Trump ranks DEAD LAST!

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    fubah2
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 11:33 AM ET #1

    an_2drinks(*Mondo thanks to our forum fact checker, Thirdperson, for uncovering this new research)

     

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


       In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!


    NY TIMES -

    A new poll of historians & scholars coming out
    on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden
    as the 14th-best president in American history, an_clap
    just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan
    and Ulysses S. Grant.


      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump,
    who places dead last as the worst president ever!    thejester

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    an_2drinks(*Mondo thanks to our forum fact checker, Thirdperson, for uncovering this new research)

     

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


       In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!


    NY TIMES -

    A new poll of historians & scholars coming out
    on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden
    as the 14th-best president in American history, an_clap
    just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan
    and Ulysses S. Grant.


      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump,
    who places dead last as the worst president ever!    thejester

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 11:38 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;    

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.  

    The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

    NY TIMES -

    Joe Biden may, in part, owe his place
    in the top third to his GOP predecessor:
    Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment,
    according to the historians, was
    evicting Trump from the Oval Office!

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;    

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.  

    The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

    NY TIMES -

    Joe Biden may, in part, owe his place
    in the top third to his GOP predecessor:
    Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment,
    according to the historians, was
    evicting Trump from the Oval Office!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 11:39 AM ET #3

    Wallstreet you know what to do peace_5

    don’t let us all down again . Be a fair , impartial , unbiased , and partisan moderator . Thanks .

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    Wallstreet you know what to do peace_5

    don’t let us all down again . Be a fair , impartial , unbiased , and partisan moderator . Thanks .

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 11:42 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;    

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.   The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!NY TIMES - Joe Biden may, in part, owe his placein the top third to his GOP predecessor:

    Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Trump from the Oval Office!

     

    This newest survey showing Biden ranked as #14

    comes from 154 respondents for the expert survey! an_2drinks

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;    

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.   The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!NY TIMES - Joe Biden may, in part, owe his placein the top third to his GOP predecessor:

    Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Trump from the Oval Office!

     

    This newest survey showing Biden ranked as #14

    comes from 154 respondents for the expert survey! an_2drinks

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 11:58 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


       In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!


    NY TIMES -

    A new poll of historians & scholars coming out
    on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden
    as the 14th-best president in American history, an_clap
    just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan
    and Ulysses S. Grant.


      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump,
    who places dead last as the worst president ever!    thejester

       peace_5 an_cheers

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


       In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!


    NY TIMES -

    A new poll of historians & scholars coming out
    on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden
    as the 14th-best president in American history, an_clap
    just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan
    and Ulysses S. Grant.


      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump,
    who places dead last as the worst president ever!    thejester

       peace_5 an_cheers

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 12:01 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


     In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    HAPPY PRESIDENTS DAY !

    an_cheers

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    an_police BREAKING NEWS ...


     In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,

     

      New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best; 
       ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    HAPPY PRESIDENTS DAY !

    an_cheers

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 12:44 PM ET #7

    It's a Los Angeles times article and it's part of the Presidential Greatness Project which is based on a poll of academic scholars who are presidential experts...the article does not specify what it takes to be a presidential expert in this capacity....

    The article goes on to state that...

    More acutely, this survey has seen a pronounced partisan dynamic emerge, arguably in response to the Trump presidency and the Trumpification of presidential politics.

    Proponents of the Biden presidency have strong arguments in their arsenal, but his high placement within the top 15 suggests a powerful anti-Trump factor at work. So far, Biden’s record does not include the military victories or institutional expansion that have typically driven higher rankings, and a family scandal such as the one involving his son Hunter normally diminishes a president’s ranking.

    Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall.

     

     

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    It's a Los Angeles times article and it's part of the Presidential Greatness Project which is based on a poll of academic scholars who are presidential experts...the article does not specify what it takes to be a presidential expert in this capacity....

    The article goes on to state that...

    More acutely, this survey has seen a pronounced partisan dynamic emerge, arguably in response to the Trump presidency and the Trumpification of presidential politics.

    Proponents of the Biden presidency have strong arguments in their arsenal, but his high placement within the top 15 suggests a powerful anti-Trump factor at work. So far, Biden’s record does not include the military victories or institutional expansion that have typically driven higher rankings, and a family scandal such as the one involving his son Hunter normally diminishes a president’s ranking.

    Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 12:47 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  

    BREAKING NEWS ...  

    In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,    

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;   

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    HAPPY PRESIDENTS DAY !

     

    peace an_timeout   Happy Presidents Day as well peace_5

     

     

     

     

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  

    BREAKING NEWS ...  

    In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,    

    New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;   

    ...With Trump polling WORST President!

    HAPPY PRESIDENTS DAY !

     

    peace an_timeout   Happy Presidents Day as well peace_5

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 12:59 PM ET #9

    Generally, different polls of presidential experts rank Biden above average and Trump among the worst presidents.  American political science association, C-span, Siena college and US news.  In upcoming election, Biden versus Trump is a choice between order over chaos.  Wisdom over ignorance.  Truth over lie.  Competence over dysfunction.  And virtue over corruption.

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    Generally, different polls of presidential experts rank Biden above average and Trump among the worst presidents.  American political science association, C-span, Siena college and US news.  In upcoming election, Biden versus Trump is a choice between order over chaos.  Wisdom over ignorance.  Truth over lie.  Competence over dysfunction.  And virtue over corruption.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 1:01 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!   NY TIMES - Joe Biden may, in part, owe his placein the top third to his GOP predecessor: Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Trump from the Oval Office!   This newest survey showing Biden ranked as #14 comes from 154 respondents for the expert survey!
      just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ?? strange to say the least !!  an_horse

     

    but he does deserve a very high ranking  either way

     

     goodthread

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!   NY TIMES - Joe Biden may, in part, owe his placein the top third to his GOP predecessor: Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Trump from the Oval Office!   This newest survey showing Biden ranked as #14 comes from 154 respondents for the expert survey!
      just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ?? strange to say the least !!  an_horse

     

    but he does deserve a very high ranking  either way

     

     goodthread

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

      just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ??

    Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

      just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ??

    Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents. 

     
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    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

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    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:   just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ??

    Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.

    really ??? an_eek2    i dont see that in the nytimes article 

    it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians "   

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:   just reading the nytimes article  it says  that the republicans in the survey actually rank bill clinton higher than the dems do !    whats up with that ??

    Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.

    really ??? an_eek2    i dont see that in the nytimes article 

    it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians "   

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

    On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....

     

    If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports..

    create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

    On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....

     

    If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports..

    create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

    I agree 100% ABooksNightmare! peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

    I agree 100% ABooksNightmare! peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 1:55 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread!

    offtopic

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

    offtopic

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

    offtopic

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2024 - 1:58 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

     

                                       I agree 100% ABooksNightmare!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: KellyM gives this a good thread award! Are you kidding? We all know too, too well the definition of liberalism! It has 2 words. The 1st word begins with an M. The 2nd word begins with a D! It is truly on display inside this thread! We have posters inside the politics section of Covers who enjoy men masquerading among us with a male organ, claim to be a woman and enter NCAA sanctioned swimming events! Not only that. These phony women are allowed to shower with biological women! Only the liberal mind will allow things like that to happen! This is not a good thread! On the transgender issue...those that have changed/altered their sex should lose their right to participate in sports that are gender specified....that would seem to be common sense and would dilute the purpose of why the sport was separated by gender in the first place....   If transgenders want representation in sports then I would think the only fair thing to do would be to create a category for them, so in a sense you would have men, women and transgender sports teams...not sure why anyone would think that you can place transitional men/women in the same traditional categories when those individuals are no longer traditional in the sense....for fairness and equality, a separate category is the only way to go...you shouldn't be allowed to change your sex and then compete in the category your transitioned to....men changing or transitioning to women would have distinct advantage still regardless of how much you strip from the inside...they are still men inside with how their bodies are made up and you can see how this has already played out in college sports.. create your own league separate from men and women and you rid yourself of any issues...

     

                                       I agree 100% ABooksNightmare!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.

     

     

    really ???     i dont see that in the nytimes article  it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians "

    @KellyM_1964

     If you click on the link in that article it should open up a PDF  document entitled:

    "Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey"

    and in there scroll down past the graph to TABLE #2 and you will see right at the bottom where republicans rank trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.

     

     

    really ???     i dont see that in the nytimes article  it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians "

    @KellyM_1964

     If you click on the link in that article it should open up a PDF  document entitled:

    "Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey"

    and in there scroll down past the graph to TABLE #2 and you will see right at the bottom where republicans rank trump

    peace_5

     
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    There are other threads about best president, not sure why this is needed but that aside if a member does not like a thread or a post it does not mean that you come in and be combative to the poster or complain about partisan nonsense. 

    Both groups here need to do better about keeping the guidelines and adding value, and avoiding combative crap.

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    There are other threads about best president, not sure why this is needed but that aside if a member does not like a thread or a post it does not mean that you come in and be combative to the poster or complain about partisan nonsense. 

    Both groups here need to do better about keeping the guidelines and adding value, and avoiding combative crap.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.     really ???     i dont see that in the nytimes article  it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians " @KellyM_1964  If you click on the link in that article it should open up a PDF  document entitled: "Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey" and in there scroll down past the graph to TABLE #2 and you will see right at the bottom where republicans rank trump

    thanks  peace_5 i see it   now

    very intresting how they subdivided the responses by  political ideology 

    it is clear the independents r siding with the dems that trump is ranked indisputably last of all presidents  

    just as intresting is how low down even the republicans r ranking their indicted crime lord leader  an_baby

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Trump is so terrible that even republicans in the survey rank him among the 5 worst presidents.     really ???     i dont see that in the nytimes article  it only says " he fares badly even among selfidentified republican historians " @KellyM_1964  If you click on the link in that article it should open up a PDF  document entitled: "Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey" and in there scroll down past the graph to TABLE #2 and you will see right at the bottom where republicans rank trump

    thanks  peace_5 i see it   now

    very intresting how they subdivided the responses by  political ideology 

    it is clear the independents r siding with the dems that trump is ranked indisputably last of all presidents  

    just as intresting is how low down even the republicans r ranking their indicted crime lord leader  an_baby

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

    @fubah2

     Those headlines seem to be everywhere.  I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades if not longer.  Still it's nice to get the confirmation and to see Biden get some acknowledgement for earning a place in the top half of the rankings

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

    @fubah2

     Those headlines seem to be everywhere.  I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades if not longer.  Still it's nice to get the confirmation and to see Biden get some acknowledgement for earning a place in the top half of the rankings

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    (*Mondo thanks to our forum fact checker, Thirdperson, for uncovering this new research)   BREAKING NEWS ...    In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,     New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;     ...With Trump polling WORST President! NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.   The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

     

    Like Hiliary's 98% chance to win in 2016 your bullshit fake polls fool NOONE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    (*Mondo thanks to our forum fact checker, Thirdperson, for uncovering this new research)   BREAKING NEWS ...    In recognition of Presidents Day, 2024,     New Expert Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best;     ...With Trump polling WORST President! NY TIMES - A new poll of historians & scholars coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Joe Biden as the 14th-best president in American history,  just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant.   The newest survey puts Biden well ahead of Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever!

     

    Like Hiliary's 98% chance to win in 2016 your bullshit fake polls fool NOONE!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades
    That's still too high!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades
    That's still too high!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades That's still too high!

     

    Make sure to get a clown's big red nose to wear before you get your new plandemic clotshot. This new IQ test is just too difficult....haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I think most of us already knew Trump is ranked last and most likely will keep that title for several decades That's still too high!

     

    Make sure to get a clown's big red nose to wear before you get your new plandemic clotshot. This new IQ test is just too difficult....haha

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