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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2023 - 6:34 PM ET #1

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/07/us/army-navy-game-hotel-cancellations/index.html

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate/joni-ernst-blasts-biden-border-policies-army-navy-football-cancellations

    If kicking veterans out to make room for migrants was not enough, military families now cannot find hotels to stay in for the Army/Navy game. 

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    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/07/us/army-navy-game-hotel-cancellations/index.html

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate/joni-ernst-blasts-biden-border-policies-army-navy-football-cancellations

    If kicking veterans out to make room for migrants was not enough, military families now cannot find hotels to stay in for the Army/Navy game. 

     
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    Sorry bro but anti-Biden threads or pro republican threads will be met with harsh criticisms from the powers that be , so although they’ve just recently dunked on the pro Biden and anti-Trump people in this forum , in charismatic and ferocious fashion mind you , this thread may very well be moved to the box or disintegrated from existence altogether , like something that was vaporized by a ray gun in a Star Trek episode or the thought of open communication ever becoming reality or coming to fruition here in this forum .

    you may also get a repeated stern talking to on these points that I’ve outlined above like you were a pimply faced teenager coming home 12 minutes after curfew from a father who is a strict disciplinarian and for a lack of better words “ Doesn’t take No Shit “ , so prepare yourself for the inevitable chiding while other more distinguished members will be given the leeway to continue on the dilapidated course for which they were admonished .

    buckle up partner cuz this is politics . It’s all politics . It’s a staple of American society . It’s firmly entrenched in every single facet of our existence , from the coach’s kid that stinks and should be riding the pine , to the backstabbing that goes on in office settings across this great nation of ours everyday .

    Covers is not above this . It is not special . There is nothing groundbreaking going on here . Just the same status quo way of thinking that leaves anything resembling true change buried and never to be found .

    I’m sorry that I was the one that had to break this to you . I only hope that you took this news better than the time you found out Santa Clause wasn’t real when you were 9 .

    here’s my hand . peace_5

    Take it and shake it . But you gotta let go after a while , cuz any grip lasting longer than ten seconds is gonna make me question your motives .

     

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    Sorry bro but anti-Biden threads or pro republican threads will be met with harsh criticisms from the powers that be , so although they’ve just recently dunked on the pro Biden and anti-Trump people in this forum , in charismatic and ferocious fashion mind you , this thread may very well be moved to the box or disintegrated from existence altogether , like something that was vaporized by a ray gun in a Star Trek episode or the thought of open communication ever becoming reality or coming to fruition here in this forum .

    you may also get a repeated stern talking to on these points that I’ve outlined above like you were a pimply faced teenager coming home 12 minutes after curfew from a father who is a strict disciplinarian and for a lack of better words “ Doesn’t take No Shit “ , so prepare yourself for the inevitable chiding while other more distinguished members will be given the leeway to continue on the dilapidated course for which they were admonished .

    buckle up partner cuz this is politics . It’s all politics . It’s a staple of American society . It’s firmly entrenched in every single facet of our existence , from the coach’s kid that stinks and should be riding the pine , to the backstabbing that goes on in office settings across this great nation of ours everyday .

    Covers is not above this . It is not special . There is nothing groundbreaking going on here . Just the same status quo way of thinking that leaves anything resembling true change buried and never to be found .

    I’m sorry that I was the one that had to break this to you . I only hope that you took this news better than the time you found out Santa Clause wasn’t real when you were 9 .

    here’s my hand . peace_5

    Take it and shake it . But you gotta let go after a while , cuz any grip lasting longer than ten seconds is gonna make me question your motives .

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2023 - 7:56 PM ET #3

    GO ARMY! BEAT NAVY!

     

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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2023 - 9:21 PM ET #4

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    the pen is blue .

    wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2023 - 4:05 AM ET #6

    Boston visitors bureau pushes back on DeSantis claim about migrants displacing football game attendees.  Impact is overblown.  Displaced attendees can be relocated to nearby hotels.  Massachusetts has a right to shelter law which ensures migrants and homeless families have somewhere to live.

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    Boston visitors bureau pushes back on DeSantis claim about migrants displacing football game attendees.  Impact is overblown.  Displaced attendees can be relocated to nearby hotels.  Massachusetts has a right to shelter law which ensures migrants and homeless families have somewhere to live.

     
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    The link below will show you what happens to posters who are from the Right and tell truth to the posters inside the politics forum of Covers. Please let Steve Marriott and Humble Pie sing it to you!

    Humble Pie-30 Days In The Hole - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Boston visitors bureau pushes back on DeSantis claim about migrants displacing football game attendees.  Impact is overblown.  Displaced attendees can be relocated to nearby hotels.  Massachusetts has a right to shelter law which ensures migrants and homeless families have somewhere to live.

     

    DeSantis???? My post refers to CNN. 

    Jeffery Berry, professor emeritus of political science at Tufts University in Massachusetts, said; "..there is a bad taste in the way that the veterans were treated by these hotels.”

    $540 million is spent per year for migrant care in Massachusetts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Boston visitors bureau pushes back on DeSantis claim about migrants displacing football game attendees.  Impact is overblown.  Displaced attendees can be relocated to nearby hotels.  Massachusetts has a right to shelter law which ensures migrants and homeless families have somewhere to live.

     

    DeSantis???? My post refers to CNN. 

    Jeffery Berry, professor emeritus of political science at Tufts University in Massachusetts, said; "..there is a bad taste in the way that the veterans were treated by these hotels.”

    $540 million is spent per year for migrant care in Massachusetts.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2023 - 10:57 AM ET #9

    Massachusetts State Budget;

     

      • Funds the new Veterans’ Services at $185.6 million, a $11.4 million, or 7 percent, increase from FY23?GAA? 
      • $324 million for the Emergency Assistance Family Shelter (EA) program, representing a 48 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2023  (housing migrants)

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08/08/massachusetts-spending-45m-a-month-on-programs-for-migrants-displaced-families-healey-says/

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    Massachusetts State Budget;

     

      • Funds the new Veterans’ Services at $185.6 million, a $11.4 million, or 7 percent, increase from FY23?GAA? 
      • $324 million for the Emergency Assistance Family Shelter (EA) program, representing a 48 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2023  (housing migrants)

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08/08/massachusetts-spending-45m-a-month-on-programs-for-migrants-displaced-families-healey-says/

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Massachusetts State Budget;   Funds the new Veterans’ Services at $185.6 million, a $11.4 million, or 7 percent, increase from FY23?GAA?  $324 million for the Emergency Assistance Family Shelter (EA) program, representing a 48 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2023  (housing migrants) https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08/08/massachusetts-spending-45m-a-month-on-programs-for-migrants-displaced-families-healey-says/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Massachusetts State Budget;   Funds the new Veterans’ Services at $185.6 million, a $11.4 million, or 7 percent, increase from FY23?GAA?  $324 million for the Emergency Assistance Family Shelter (EA) program, representing a 48 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2023  (housing migrants) https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/08/08/massachusetts-spending-45m-a-month-on-programs-for-migrants-displaced-families-healey-says/

     

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    In this forum I feel like this guy .

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     Good to see Tuberville has released his stranglehold on the promotions of those in the military. This had a more direct negative impact on military families than housing for a football game.   

    What did he accomplish? He didn't change any minds on abortion. 

    Some of these fuckers really need to get another profession.

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     Good to see Tuberville has released his stranglehold on the promotions of those in the military. This had a more direct negative impact on military families than housing for a football game.   

    What did he accomplish? He didn't change any minds on abortion. 

    Some of these fuckers really need to get another profession.

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     This was not affecting that many military families.  He was basically holding up 300 officer's promotions.

    They could still have had them put up for a vote.  Which is what needs to be done anyway.  Too many of these officers are just promoted without it.  Just mass promoting is not necessarily a good thing.

    For sure, it was political and even the Democrats have used this tactic politically before.  That was how Carl Levin ran Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Peter Pace into retirement.

    But now most of the officers will get promoted with the exception of the 3-stars.

    For example:

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     This was not affecting that many military families.  He was basically holding up 300 officer's promotions.

    They could still have had them put up for a vote.  Which is what needs to be done anyway.  Too many of these officers are just promoted without it.  Just mass promoting is not necessarily a good thing.

    For sure, it was political and even the Democrats have used this tactic politically before.  That was how Carl Levin ran Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Peter Pace into retirement.

    But now most of the officers will get promoted with the exception of the 3-stars.

    For example:

     
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    Understand what Senator Tuberville did and didn’t do because – shocker – the regime media is lying to you. He didn’t stop military promotions. Certain senior military leaders have to be confirmed by the Senate. Chuck Schumer is free to consider each and every military promotion on its own merits before the entire Senate and force the Senate to vote on it on the record. The problem for the Senate is that this takes time, although it’s unclear what else the Senate has been doing lately that is more important. The Senate works on unanimous consent. Most things just sort of happen because no senator objects, and very few things happen on the record. What Senator Tuberville is doing is gumming up the works. He’s making Chuck Schumer actually put these names in front of the body and take a vote. They have done so for several promotions. But this takes a lot of time. Usually, what happens is the Pentagon presents a promotion list, and the Senate approves it, and everybody gets a star or an eagle. I was on the colonel's list, with my name buried among 1500 or so aspiring full birds, which was lucky for me because if somebody had googled my name, I’m sure some communist senator would have objected.

    But that’s kind of the point. Our elected representatives should be able to object to a senior military promotion. Otherwise, why bother having them confirmed by the Senate at all? The norm of mass promotions is a matter of convenience and courtesy, but the Pentagon isn’t being convenient or courteous. It’s violating the law. The Senate said not to do this kind of abortion spending, and the military saluted with its left hand and middle finger. Senator Tuberville, who seems to understand the chain of command better than the guys who live in the chain of command, refuses to tolerate this kind of insubordination, and why should he? 

    His stand is making the Democrats freak out, and it’s also making a bunch of Republicans freak out. Last week, Mitch McConnell had a couple of senators go on the floor, including military vets like the usually sensible Dan Sullivan and Joni Ernst, screaming at Senator Tuberville because he refuses to cooperate. But Senator Tuberville ignored this bipartisan baloney. He’s not folding, and there’s nothing establishment Republicans hate more than a Republican who shames them for refusing to play his assigned part in the DC kabuki theater of GOP-managed failure.

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    Understand what Senator Tuberville did and didn’t do because – shocker – the regime media is lying to you. He didn’t stop military promotions. Certain senior military leaders have to be confirmed by the Senate. Chuck Schumer is free to consider each and every military promotion on its own merits before the entire Senate and force the Senate to vote on it on the record. The problem for the Senate is that this takes time, although it’s unclear what else the Senate has been doing lately that is more important. The Senate works on unanimous consent. Most things just sort of happen because no senator objects, and very few things happen on the record. What Senator Tuberville is doing is gumming up the works. He’s making Chuck Schumer actually put these names in front of the body and take a vote. They have done so for several promotions. But this takes a lot of time. Usually, what happens is the Pentagon presents a promotion list, and the Senate approves it, and everybody gets a star or an eagle. I was on the colonel's list, with my name buried among 1500 or so aspiring full birds, which was lucky for me because if somebody had googled my name, I’m sure some communist senator would have objected.

    But that’s kind of the point. Our elected representatives should be able to object to a senior military promotion. Otherwise, why bother having them confirmed by the Senate at all? The norm of mass promotions is a matter of convenience and courtesy, but the Pentagon isn’t being convenient or courteous. It’s violating the law. The Senate said not to do this kind of abortion spending, and the military saluted with its left hand and middle finger. Senator Tuberville, who seems to understand the chain of command better than the guys who live in the chain of command, refuses to tolerate this kind of insubordination, and why should he? 

    His stand is making the Democrats freak out, and it’s also making a bunch of Republicans freak out. Last week, Mitch McConnell had a couple of senators go on the floor, including military vets like the usually sensible Dan Sullivan and Joni Ernst, screaming at Senator Tuberville because he refuses to cooperate. But Senator Tuberville ignored this bipartisan baloney. He’s not folding, and there’s nothing establishment Republicans hate more than a Republican who shames them for refusing to play his assigned part in the DC kabuki theater of GOP-managed failure.

     
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    As this standoff has gone on over the last few months, something else has been clear. Many of the guys they’re putting up as generals and admirals are DEI-loving weirdos. For example, there is one Air Force guy who says that the big problem with our military is white colonels. Well, I was a white colonel, and I kind of find it insulting that my 27 years of service has been reduced to the skin tone I bear that resulted from having ancestors immigrating from Germany and Scotland centuries ago. Sure, I was no war hero like Senator Da Nang Dick Blumenthal, whose name the descendants of the Vietcong use to scare their children, but I kind of think an officer who believes this kind of nonsense should find another line of work. He would probably be more comfortable working at, say, a prestigious university’s DEI department explaining why Jewish students should apologize for existing.

    Now, there are good, solid Republicans who mean well and are very upset about it. These are people who love our military and love our troops, and they believe the claim that Senator Tuberville is hurting military readiness. But he is not. He is helping it. As my pal Jesse Kelly, a Marine, correctly observed, holding up these promotions is a terrible idea. We should cashier most of these generals and colonels entirely. It is important to remember that we have not unequivocally won a major war in 30 years. My Republican friends who are concerned about Senator Tuberville’s stubbornness interfering with the bureaucracy’s ability to churn out ever more of these half-steppers make the same mistake Donald Trump made – being impressed by our current senior military leadership. Sadly, our current senior military leadership is largely unimpressive, unaccomplished, and totally unsatisfactory. Patriotism and support for our troops require that we acknowledge this fact and act accordingly.

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    As this standoff has gone on over the last few months, something else has been clear. Many of the guys they’re putting up as generals and admirals are DEI-loving weirdos. For example, there is one Air Force guy who says that the big problem with our military is white colonels. Well, I was a white colonel, and I kind of find it insulting that my 27 years of service has been reduced to the skin tone I bear that resulted from having ancestors immigrating from Germany and Scotland centuries ago. Sure, I was no war hero like Senator Da Nang Dick Blumenthal, whose name the descendants of the Vietcong use to scare their children, but I kind of think an officer who believes this kind of nonsense should find another line of work. He would probably be more comfortable working at, say, a prestigious university’s DEI department explaining why Jewish students should apologize for existing.

    Now, there are good, solid Republicans who mean well and are very upset about it. These are people who love our military and love our troops, and they believe the claim that Senator Tuberville is hurting military readiness. But he is not. He is helping it. As my pal Jesse Kelly, a Marine, correctly observed, holding up these promotions is a terrible idea. We should cashier most of these generals and colonels entirely. It is important to remember that we have not unequivocally won a major war in 30 years. My Republican friends who are concerned about Senator Tuberville’s stubbornness interfering with the bureaucracy’s ability to churn out ever more of these half-steppers make the same mistake Donald Trump made – being impressed by our current senior military leadership. Sadly, our current senior military leadership is largely unimpressive, unaccomplished, and totally unsatisfactory. Patriotism and support for our troops require that we acknowledge this fact and act accordingly.

     
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    What is required now is not less scrutiny and supervision of military promotions. It is exponentially more of both. Our current military is a disaster. It is run by incompetents who suck up to our civilian authorities not in the proper way –  that is, by following the strategy of elected civilian leaders – but by accepting the tropes and tenets of Democratic culture war obsessions. Nothing has done more damage to our military than buying into wokeness. The military leadership won’t admit it because it is either stupid or lying to you. Still, the simple fact is that the normal Americans who traditionally make up our fighting forces are largely refusing to serve any longer because they understand that the military, as an organization and culture, absolutely hates them. Colonel Hate Whitey is not an anomaly. He is a role model.

    The effect on recruiting has been just what you would expect. Vets, who typically inspire the majority of recruits, are disgusted and tell young people to pass on a hitch. Why would you give your life to an organization that holds you in contemptbecause of where your ancestors came from? Moreover, why would you place your lives in the hands of people who have exhibited the kind of gross incompetence that got 13 Americans slaughtered in Afghanistan in that disgraceful rout? I had the honor of briefly serving as a lawyer for the family of one of the Marines killed, and it’s hard to express the betrayal they justifiably feel. No one has been fired for that fiasco. Moreover, I stood there while a representative of the military either, at worst, outright lied to the families or, at best, gave them information that subsequent public disclosures have contradicted. Disgraceful.

    What my Republican friends concerned about the promotions slow-walk need to understand is that it is not affecting military readiness. A brigadier general will do just fine holding a major general’s slot. That extra star just means a few extra bucks. If it’s so dangerous, the Pentagon can resolve it in a second – just stop funding abortion tourism. But it won’t, meaning either that the people behind it are abortion fanatics (plausible), or that this is not really a military readiness issue, no matter how often the Pentagon falsely claims it is. And it is not. What it is is a discipline issue. The Pentagon cannot go on violating the law in the face of the American people’s representatives and be treated as if it is doing nothing wrong. 

    Nor can the Senate allow this disrespect. Unanimous consent in the Senate is a function of collegiality practiced during normal times. But it is not a normal time when the Senate passes blatantly ignored laws. The Senate must stand up for its prerogatives. Tommy Tuberville has. He is a hero. He deserves our support, and those Republicans who question him need to dig deeper into the issue. I don’t think they are bad. I think they are misguided. This kind of flagrant disregard for the institution cannot be tolerated. The solution is very simple. If they want to play by the unanimous consent rules for the benefit of the Pentagon, the Pentagon needs to play by the rules, too. There’s no situation where the Pentagon gets to flip the bird and get collegiality benefits.

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    What is required now is not less scrutiny and supervision of military promotions. It is exponentially more of both. Our current military is a disaster. It is run by incompetents who suck up to our civilian authorities not in the proper way –  that is, by following the strategy of elected civilian leaders – but by accepting the tropes and tenets of Democratic culture war obsessions. Nothing has done more damage to our military than buying into wokeness. The military leadership won’t admit it because it is either stupid or lying to you. Still, the simple fact is that the normal Americans who traditionally make up our fighting forces are largely refusing to serve any longer because they understand that the military, as an organization and culture, absolutely hates them. Colonel Hate Whitey is not an anomaly. He is a role model.

    The effect on recruiting has been just what you would expect. Vets, who typically inspire the majority of recruits, are disgusted and tell young people to pass on a hitch. Why would you give your life to an organization that holds you in contemptbecause of where your ancestors came from? Moreover, why would you place your lives in the hands of people who have exhibited the kind of gross incompetence that got 13 Americans slaughtered in Afghanistan in that disgraceful rout? I had the honor of briefly serving as a lawyer for the family of one of the Marines killed, and it’s hard to express the betrayal they justifiably feel. No one has been fired for that fiasco. Moreover, I stood there while a representative of the military either, at worst, outright lied to the families or, at best, gave them information that subsequent public disclosures have contradicted. Disgraceful.

    What my Republican friends concerned about the promotions slow-walk need to understand is that it is not affecting military readiness. A brigadier general will do just fine holding a major general’s slot. That extra star just means a few extra bucks. If it’s so dangerous, the Pentagon can resolve it in a second – just stop funding abortion tourism. But it won’t, meaning either that the people behind it are abortion fanatics (plausible), or that this is not really a military readiness issue, no matter how often the Pentagon falsely claims it is. And it is not. What it is is a discipline issue. The Pentagon cannot go on violating the law in the face of the American people’s representatives and be treated as if it is doing nothing wrong. 

    Nor can the Senate allow this disrespect. Unanimous consent in the Senate is a function of collegiality practiced during normal times. But it is not a normal time when the Senate passes blatantly ignored laws. The Senate must stand up for its prerogatives. Tommy Tuberville has. He is a hero. He deserves our support, and those Republicans who question him need to dig deeper into the issue. I don’t think they are bad. I think they are misguided. This kind of flagrant disregard for the institution cannot be tolerated. The solution is very simple. If they want to play by the unanimous consent rules for the benefit of the Pentagon, the Pentagon needs to play by the rules, too. There’s no situation where the Pentagon gets to flip the bird and get collegiality benefits.

     
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    Regardless, the Senate shouldn’t be doing mass promotions of very senior officers in the first place. They need to be vetted closely, questioned harshly, and often rejected as totally inadequate for the job at hand. Our national security is more important than the convenience of bureaucrats and the ability of the Senate to take extended vacations. United States Senate, do your job: Coach Tuberville, more power to you.

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    Regardless, the Senate shouldn’t be doing mass promotions of very senior officers in the first place. They need to be vetted closely, questioned harshly, and often rejected as totally inadequate for the job at hand. Our national security is more important than the convenience of bureaucrats and the ability of the Senate to take extended vacations. United States Senate, do your job: Coach Tuberville, more power to you.

     
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    So, whether you agree with what Tuberville is doing or not, the author makes some very valid points about what is going on overall and what changes might need to happen.

    But, quite naturally, the Democrats and the Media wanted to mislead the public just to stir up things to promote their 'social agenda'.

    They do need to be held accountable for illegally getting around the law.

    But you can make the point that the way Tuberville was/is doing it does not really achieve what he wants because he cannot get the backing of his own party.

    Nothing wrong with someone standing on their principles.  I just am not so sure this was the correct path for him to take.  

    But the Democrats were very misleading in what was being done and what was being 'held' up.

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    So, whether you agree with what Tuberville is doing or not, the author makes some very valid points about what is going on overall and what changes might need to happen.

    But, quite naturally, the Democrats and the Media wanted to mislead the public just to stir up things to promote their 'social agenda'.

    They do need to be held accountable for illegally getting around the law.

    But you can make the point that the way Tuberville was/is doing it does not really achieve what he wants because he cannot get the backing of his own party.

    Nothing wrong with someone standing on their principles.  I just am not so sure this was the correct path for him to take.  

    But the Democrats were very misleading in what was being done and what was being 'held' up.

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     Actually, it was 440 families.

    Some were already in the process of learning their new responsibilities & the replacements for recently promoted soldiers were also learning their new duties.

    Yes, they could have voted on the promtions.....ONE AT A TIME!. Do you have any idea how long that would have taken?

    So please don't try to take us all down the road with that alternative.

    BTW..check your facts on Carl Levin. He's not the monster you purport. He fought equally hard for promotions as he did against promotions.. 

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     Actually, it was 440 families.

    Some were already in the process of learning their new responsibilities & the replacements for recently promoted soldiers were also learning their new duties.

    Yes, they could have voted on the promtions.....ONE AT A TIME!. Do you have any idea how long that would have taken?

    So please don't try to take us all down the road with that alternative.

    BTW..check your facts on Carl Levin. He's not the monster you purport. He fought equally hard for promotions as he did against promotions.. 

     
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     You're responses make my eyes bleed.

    Please try responding briefly while still making your points. I rarely read your posts that go more than 2 paragraphs. 

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     You're responses make my eyes bleed.

    Please try responding briefly while still making your points. I rarely read your posts that go more than 2 paragraphs. 

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    @Raiders22  Actually, it was 440 families. Some were already in the process of learning their new responsibilities & the replacements for recently promoted soldiers were also learning their new duties. Yes, they could have voted on the promtions.....ONE AT A TIME!. Do you have any idea how long that would have taken? So please don't try to take us all down the road with that alternative. BTW..check your facts on Carl Levin. He's not the monster you purport. He fought equally hard for promotions as he did against promotions..

    Yes.  That's why the guy said it was time consuming and why they do mass promotions.  

    But he is saying some should not be just promoted through.

    Yes, I am aware of Levin.  I am not saying he is a 'monster' -- I am pointing out he used this tactic, politically is all.

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    @Raiders22  Actually, it was 440 families. Some were already in the process of learning their new responsibilities & the replacements for recently promoted soldiers were also learning their new duties. Yes, they could have voted on the promtions.....ONE AT A TIME!. Do you have any idea how long that would have taken? So please don't try to take us all down the road with that alternative. BTW..check your facts on Carl Levin. He's not the monster you purport. He fought equally hard for promotions as he did against promotions..

    Yes.  That's why the guy said it was time consuming and why they do mass promotions.  

    But he is saying some should not be just promoted through.

    Yes, I am aware of Levin.  I am not saying he is a 'monster' -- I am pointing out he used this tactic, politically is all.

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    @Midnight1  You're responses make my eyes bleed. Please try responding briefly while still making your points. I rarely read your posts that go more than 2 paragraphs.

    Yes, I am well aware of your short attention span.  You have mentioned it before.

    I realize most people do to like to read too much.

    But sometimes it helps to explain points with context.

    This is better than just making some blanket statement that is easily taken out of context.

    But I have tried to make my responses to you shorter.

    I just felt this article was worth quoting a lot of because the guy makes multiple good points.

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    @Midnight1  You're responses make my eyes bleed. Please try responding briefly while still making your points. I rarely read your posts that go more than 2 paragraphs.

    Yes, I am well aware of your short attention span.  You have mentioned it before.

    I realize most people do to like to read too much.

    But sometimes it helps to explain points with context.

    This is better than just making some blanket statement that is easily taken out of context.

    But I have tried to make my responses to you shorter.

    I just felt this article was worth quoting a lot of because the guy makes multiple good points.

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     You are defending a guy who couldn't even name the 3 branches of government.

    When I see drivel & a guy who chooses to use the words of others to make their point, yes my attention span is short.

     

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     You are defending a guy who couldn't even name the 3 branches of government.

    When I see drivel & a guy who chooses to use the words of others to make their point, yes my attention span is short.

     

     
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     No sir.  Not to make the point --but to emphasize it is all.

    I am not defending him.  Simply pointing out the reasoning and the issues both parties have with it.

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     No sir.  Not to make the point --but to emphasize it is all.

    I am not defending him.  Simply pointing out the reasoning and the issues both parties have with it.

     
     
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     I mean if you reach that far -- it can be said you are defending the 'illegal' actions that he is against.

    That is why context has to be used and not just talking points in discussing issues.

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     I mean if you reach that far -- it can be said you are defending the 'illegal' actions that he is against.

    That is why context has to be used and not just talking points in discussing issues.

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