Alternatively, you could see that the $ followed the legislative actions.
Love this article on trickle down economics (Reagonomics)
No wallstreet I didn't say or imply that.
As I said earlier, the housing bubble was due to 20+ years of Barney Frank writing federal housing policy.
This led to Fannie & Freddie, encouraging "affordable housing" to people who couldn't afford a house.
No wallstreet I didn't say or imply that.
As I said earlier, the housing bubble was due to 20+ years of Barney Frank writing federal housing policy.
This led to Fannie & Freddie, encouraging "affordable housing" to people who couldn't afford a house.
Well I don't see how you can say that wallstreet;
That year [2001], Freddie bought $18.6 billion in subprime loans; Fannie did not disclose its number.
In 2001, HUD researchers warned of high foreclosure rates among subprime loans.
"Given the very high concentration of these loans in low-income and African American neighborhoods, the growth in subprime lending and resulting very high levels of foreclosure is a real cause for concern," an agency report said.
But by 2004, when HUD next revised the goals, Freddie and Fannie's purchases of subprime-backed securities had risen tenfold. Foreclosure rates also were rising.Well I don't see how you can say that wallstreet;
That year [2001], Freddie bought $18.6 billion in subprime loans; Fannie did not disclose its number.
In 2001, HUD researchers warned of high foreclosure rates among subprime loans.
"Given the very high concentration of these loans in low-income and African American neighborhoods, the growth in subprime lending and resulting very high levels of foreclosure is a real cause for concern," an agency report said.
But by 2004, when HUD next revised the goals, Freddie and Fannie's purchases of subprime-backed securities had risen tenfold. Foreclosure rates also were rising.Weren't a lot of these mortgage applications forged or used false information, such as lying about income or liquid assets, by mortgage lenders BEFORE they were sold to Fannie and Freddy?
I might be wrong on that though.
Weren't a lot of these mortgage applications forged or used false information, such as lying about income or liquid assets, by mortgage lenders BEFORE they were sold to Fannie and Freddy?
I might be wrong on that though.
How naive/uniformed you must be to think you can pinpoint the perpetrator or the exact cause of this
It isn't complicated.
I just love how you didn't really engage the issue. Want to guess why that is?
Its a snowball effect.
Yes, a snowball effect of 20+ years of Barney Frank writing federal housing policy.
A snowball effect of Democrats, through Fannie & Freddie, encouraging "affordable housing" to people who couldn't afford a house.
Who did that work out?
Like I said naive. I will now add delusional and narrow minded.
Sad man you are. ![]()
How naive/uniformed you must be to think you can pinpoint the perpetrator or the exact cause of this
It isn't complicated.
I just love how you didn't really engage the issue. Want to guess why that is?
Its a snowball effect.
Yes, a snowball effect of 20+ years of Barney Frank writing federal housing policy.
A snowball effect of Democrats, through Fannie & Freddie, encouraging "affordable housing" to people who couldn't afford a house.
Who did that work out?
Like I said naive. I will now add delusional and narrow minded.
Sad man you are. ![]()
Weren't a lot of these mortgage applications forged or used false information, such as lying about income or liquid assets, by mortgage lenders BEFORE they were sold to Fannie and Freddy?
I might be wrong on that though.
100% correct.
All fraud, however, was committed because the "fraudsters" knew they could sell the worthless paper to the taxpayers (freddie and fannie).
No one would loan their money to someone they knew could not pay it back. (FREE MARKET)
Lots of people would loan someone elses money to anyone if they knew they could sell said loan at a profit before the first payment was due. (SOCIAL ENGINEERING)
Weren't a lot of these mortgage applications forged or used false information, such as lying about income or liquid assets, by mortgage lenders BEFORE they were sold to Fannie and Freddy?
I might be wrong on that though.
100% correct.
All fraud, however, was committed because the "fraudsters" knew they could sell the worthless paper to the taxpayers (freddie and fannie).
No one would loan their money to someone they knew could not pay it back. (FREE MARKET)
Lots of people would loan someone elses money to anyone if they knew they could sell said loan at a profit before the first payment was due. (SOCIAL ENGINEERING)
100% correct.
All fraud, however, was committed because the "fraudsters" knew they could sell the worthless paper to the taxpayers (freddie and fannie).
No one would loan their money to someone they knew could not pay it back. (FREE MARKET)
Lots of people would loan someone elses money to anyone if they knew they could sell said loan at a profit before the first payment was due. (SOCIAL ENGINEERING)
So if Fannie and Freddy were lied to on paper work, how could it be their fault? And in turn, was anyone prosicuted for lying on paperwork? If not, then why?
100% correct.
All fraud, however, was committed because the "fraudsters" knew they could sell the worthless paper to the taxpayers (freddie and fannie).
No one would loan their money to someone they knew could not pay it back. (FREE MARKET)
Lots of people would loan someone elses money to anyone if they knew they could sell said loan at a profit before the first payment was due. (SOCIAL ENGINEERING)
So if Fannie and Freddy were lied to on paper work, how could it be their fault? And in turn, was anyone prosicuted for lying on paperwork? If not, then why?
So if Fannie and Freddy were lied to on paper work, how could it be their fault? And in turn, was anyone prosicuted for lying on paperwork? If not, then why?
They didnt worry about reviewing the paper work or scrutinizing any thing because...Mortgages are not "risky"
So if Fannie and Freddy were lied to on paper work, how could it be their fault? And in turn, was anyone prosicuted for lying on paperwork? If not, then why?
They didnt worry about reviewing the paper work or scrutinizing any thing because...Mortgages are not "risky"
Yes, the repubs did control Congress from '01 to '07 which is all I said.
How did they "control Congress from '01 to '07" when the Democrats controlled the Senate from June 2001 to January 2003?
Oh, they didn't.
Yet you keep lying.
Yeah, your right. I forgot about that year & a half when that repub switched over to side with dems. Sorry, my bad as they say. I hope you don't throw that "lying" word around as lightly & loosely as you do here, cuz where I come from you'd get the shit beat out of you pretty quick. I'm sure you don't -
Yes, the repubs did control Congress from '01 to '07 which is all I said.
How did they "control Congress from '01 to '07" when the Democrats controlled the Senate from June 2001 to January 2003?
Oh, they didn't.
Yet you keep lying.
Yeah, your right. I forgot about that year & a half when that repub switched over to side with dems. Sorry, my bad as they say. I hope you don't throw that "lying" word around as lightly & loosely as you do here, cuz where I come from you'd get the shit beat out of you pretty quick. I'm sure you don't -
I'm posting facts.
You're calling names.
Want to take a guess as to why that is?
Thanks for participating.
I'm posting facts.
You're calling names.
Want to take a guess as to why that is?
Thanks for participating.
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
Stanford economist John Taylor discusses the root causes of the recessions in the 80's and now his column today , in the WSJ.
Amen to that...
You'll find many well-written articles in the op-ed pcs. of the Journal, such as this one..... written by Economists... not by dipshit "Journalists" you'll find aplenty from other newspapers.
Stanford economist John Taylor discusses the root causes of the recessions in the 80's and now his column today , in the WSJ.
Amen to that...
You'll find many well-written articles in the op-ed pcs. of the Journal, such as this one..... written by Economists... not by dipshit "Journalists" you'll find aplenty from other newspapers.
Ktrain,
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.
--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
You blame the democrats, but when this was going down and they got bailed out who was president? Was he a democrat? Hmmmm
Ktrain,
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.
--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
You blame the democrats, but when this was going down and they got bailed out who was president? Was he a democrat? Hmmmm
Like I said naive. I will now add delusional and narrow minded.
I'm posting facts.
You're calling names.
Want to take a guess as to why that is?
Thanks for participating.
Name calling? I was simply using adjectives that describe you. Names are nouns, or can be proper nouns.
Looks like you missed that day in 5th grade english. Thanks for participating. ![]()
Like I said naive. I will now add delusional and narrow minded.
I'm posting facts.
You're calling names.
Want to take a guess as to why that is?
Thanks for participating.
Name calling? I was simply using adjectives that describe you. Names are nouns, or can be proper nouns.
Looks like you missed that day in 5th grade english. Thanks for participating. ![]()
You blame the democrats, but when this was going down and they got bailed out who was president? Was he a democrat? Hmmmm
Both parties are to blame and participated in bigger government.
Check out the link from Dr. J contained in post #115.
You blame the democrats, but when this was going down and they got bailed out who was president? Was he a democrat? Hmmmm
Both parties are to blame and participated in bigger government.
Check out the link from Dr. J contained in post #115.
Ktrain,
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
Ktrain,
Fannie & Freddie made it clear to Wall Street that the MBS and those "Alt-A" loans had the implicit guarantee of the federal government.
For example:
Scott Simon was one of those buyers. He works in the mortgage department at Pimco, the world's largest bond manager, and one of the biggest buyers of Fannie and Freddie securities:
"Fannie and Freddie in meetings with investors, whether it was us or anybody else, essentially just would sort of laugh and say, 'Well, you know the government will stand behind us,'" Simon says.--------
In other words, federal housing policy instructed that "afforadble housing" was the goal. The "affordable housing" instrument was subprime mortgages. The federal government told these mortgage companies, "hey, if anything goes wrong, we'll be here to bail you out"
In turn, a bunch of mortgage companies made loans to people who couldn't afford a house. When the borrowers defaulted, just as promised, the government bailed them out.
And that is exactly what happened.
Er, the Democrats controlled Congress and wrote the bailout legislation.
That is a fact.
Er, the Democrats controlled Congress and wrote the bailout legislation.
That is a fact.
Well, you're wrong. I can bog this server down with links to articles demonstrating that it was driven by "affordable housing" and I'm very unclear how you can even dispute it.
Blame the low guy on the totem pole, hell that is the group you guys always love to target..blame for soaking welfare, for taking medicare and government handouts..yeah those guys.
Actually, I'm blaming Barney Frank and Andrew Cuomo.
Well, you're wrong. I can bog this server down with links to articles demonstrating that it was driven by "affordable housing" and I'm very unclear how you can even dispute it.
Blame the low guy on the totem pole, hell that is the group you guys always love to target..blame for soaking welfare, for taking medicare and government handouts..yeah those guys.
Actually, I'm blaming Barney Frank and Andrew Cuomo.
Wallstreet,
the banks, lenders, agents, and builders were simply supporting the "affordable housing" policies mandated by the federal government.
For example:
Fannie and Freddie "made no progress in civilizing the market," said Sandra Fostek, a senior regulator at HUD.
William C. Apgar Jr., who was an assistant HUD secretary under Clinton, said he regrets allowing the companies to count subprime securities as affordable.
And look what happened:
Consumer advocates warned that lenders were trapping borrowers with low "teaser" interest rates and ignoring borrowers' qualifications.
OOPS!
Thanks Barney!
Wallstreet,
the banks, lenders, agents, and builders were simply supporting the "affordable housing" policies mandated by the federal government.
For example:
Fannie and Freddie "made no progress in civilizing the market," said Sandra Fostek, a senior regulator at HUD.
William C. Apgar Jr., who was an assistant HUD secretary under Clinton, said he regrets allowing the companies to count subprime securities as affordable.
And look what happened:
Consumer advocates warned that lenders were trapping borrowers with low "teaser" interest rates and ignoring borrowers' qualifications.
OOPS!
Thanks Barney!
Name calling? I was simply using adjectives that describe you.
I think you should keep telling yourself that. Really, I do.
Just stating a fact. ![]()
Name calling? I was simply using adjectives that describe you.
I think you should keep telling yourself that. Really, I do.
Just stating a fact. ![]()
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