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    The final nail in the supply side coffin

    Broken recovery: Taxes are low and corporate profits are high, but nothing is trickling down to the American worker

    By Andrew Leonard

    AP/Doug Mills

    President Ronald Reagan smiles as he poses for photographers after delivering a speech on television, in this Dec. 11, 1987 file photo.

    The theory of supply-side economics tells us that if you cut taxes on rich people and corporations, the newly liberated moguls and businessmen will take their windfall and invest it, creating jobs and accelerating the rate of economic growth. The benefits of a light hand on the upper class, therefore, will "trickle down" to the working man and woman.

    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality and proceeded to inaugurate an era of persistent government deficits and growing income inequality, it has become harder and harder to make the trickle-down argument with a straight face. But we've never seen anything quite like the disaster that's playing out right now.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that corporate profits are looking quite strong for the second quarter of 2011. Even the Journal can't sugarcoat the basic facts:

    While the U.S. economy staggers through one of its slowest recoveries since the Great Depression, American companies are poised to report strong earnings for the second quarter -- exposing a dichotomy between corporate performance and the overall health of the economy.

    But that's just the tip of the nightmare. A newly released study from the Center of Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University, "The 'Jobless and Wageless' Recovery From the Great Recession of 2007- 2009," lays out some extraordinary statistics. (Hat tip: The Curious Capitalist.)

    In the first quarter of 2011, aggregate U.S. GDP -- the total value of all the goods and services produced in the United States -- was higher than the peak reached before the recession began in 2007. During the six quarters since the recession technically ended in the second quarter of 2009, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. But the vast majority of that income was captured as profit by corporations that failed to pass on their happy fortunes to their workers.

    Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. The extraordinarily high share of national income (88%) received by corporate profits was by far the highest in the past five recoveries from national recessions ... In the first six quarters of recovery from the 1990-91 recession, corporate profits experienced no growth whatsoever, and they generated on average only 30 per cent of national income growth during the recoveries from the 1981-82 and 1973-75 recessions.

    What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession.

    Globalization also plays a potent role -- and not just as a source of cheap labor to undermine the bargaining power of American workers. The Journal notes that many companies "are benefiting from demand from emerging markets, where they are deriving an increasing share of their sales." Job creation is probably following the sources of new demand. If the Chinese and Brazilians and Indians are the ones buying American goods and services, then it makes sense to staff up overseas. But with American consumers still shellshocked by the economic crash and dutifully obsessed with paying down their debts while trying to hold on to their homes, domestic demand is hardly a force to be catered to.

    Wages are moribund, unemployment is stuck at 9 percent, and the corporate bottom line is doing just fine. You could be excused for thinking that if ever there was time to put the stake through supply-side economics, it would be now. Wall Street and big corporations are doing just fine, but absolutely nothing is trickling down. And yet Republicans are still pushing the same old song and dance, passionately holding the entire creditworthiness of the United States hostage in return for even lower taxes on corporations, adamantly refusing to countenance even the slightest revenue increase to help cushion the hard times for the Americans who are getting a raw deal out of the current recovery.

    Democrats come in for their share of the blame, too. The worst economic recovery for American workers in history has happened on Obama's watch, and he appears remarkably oblivious to it. He may live to regret this oversight.

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    The final nail in the supply side coffin

    Broken recovery: Taxes are low and corporate profits are high, but nothing is trickling down to the American worker

    By Andrew Leonard

    AP/Doug Mills

    President Ronald Reagan smiles as he poses for photographers after delivering a speech on television, in this Dec. 11, 1987 file photo.

    The theory of supply-side economics tells us that if you cut taxes on rich people and corporations, the newly liberated moguls and businessmen will take their windfall and invest it, creating jobs and accelerating the rate of economic growth. The benefits of a light hand on the upper class, therefore, will "trickle down" to the working man and woman.

    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality and proceeded to inaugurate an era of persistent government deficits and growing income inequality, it has become harder and harder to make the trickle-down argument with a straight face. But we've never seen anything quite like the disaster that's playing out right now.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that corporate profits are looking quite strong for the second quarter of 2011. Even the Journal can't sugarcoat the basic facts:

    While the U.S. economy staggers through one of its slowest recoveries since the Great Depression, American companies are poised to report strong earnings for the second quarter -- exposing a dichotomy between corporate performance and the overall health of the economy.

    But that's just the tip of the nightmare. A newly released study from the Center of Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University, "The 'Jobless and Wageless' Recovery From the Great Recession of 2007- 2009," lays out some extraordinary statistics. (Hat tip: The Curious Capitalist.)

    In the first quarter of 2011, aggregate U.S. GDP -- the total value of all the goods and services produced in the United States -- was higher than the peak reached before the recession began in 2007. During the six quarters since the recession technically ended in the second quarter of 2009, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. But the vast majority of that income was captured as profit by corporations that failed to pass on their happy fortunes to their workers.

    Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. The extraordinarily high share of national income (88%) received by corporate profits was by far the highest in the past five recoveries from national recessions ... In the first six quarters of recovery from the 1990-91 recession, corporate profits experienced no growth whatsoever, and they generated on average only 30 per cent of national income growth during the recoveries from the 1981-82 and 1973-75 recessions.

    What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession.

    Globalization also plays a potent role -- and not just as a source of cheap labor to undermine the bargaining power of American workers. The Journal notes that many companies "are benefiting from demand from emerging markets, where they are deriving an increasing share of their sales." Job creation is probably following the sources of new demand. If the Chinese and Brazilians and Indians are the ones buying American goods and services, then it makes sense to staff up overseas. But with American consumers still shellshocked by the economic crash and dutifully obsessed with paying down their debts while trying to hold on to their homes, domestic demand is hardly a force to be catered to.

    Wages are moribund, unemployment is stuck at 9 percent, and the corporate bottom line is doing just fine. You could be excused for thinking that if ever there was time to put the stake through supply-side economics, it would be now. Wall Street and big corporations are doing just fine, but absolutely nothing is trickling down. And yet Republicans are still pushing the same old song and dance, passionately holding the entire creditworthiness of the United States hostage in return for even lower taxes on corporations, adamantly refusing to countenance even the slightest revenue increase to help cushion the hard times for the Americans who are getting a raw deal out of the current recovery.

    Democrats come in for their share of the blame, too. The worst economic recovery for American workers in history has happened on Obama's watch, and he appears remarkably oblivious to it. He may live to regret this oversight.

     
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    Profits are up because the USD is cheap and our assets are on sale.

    Trickle down is a joke, it implies that the wealthy are either too greedy to spend their hoarded money, or are too stupid that when they get so many excess dollars that they return it to the peasants as if they are the overlord and are mercifully showering the little people with a tithe of their bounty.

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    Profits are up because the USD is cheap and our assets are on sale.

    Trickle down is a joke, it implies that the wealthy are either too greedy to spend their hoarded money, or are too stupid that when they get so many excess dollars that they return it to the peasants as if they are the overlord and are mercifully showering the little people with a tithe of their bounty.

    What a joke..
     
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    Do you prefer Obama's plan:
    Trickle up poverty?
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    Do you prefer Obama's plan:
    Trickle up poverty?
     
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    Love this article on trickle down economics (Reagonomics)

    Why?
    What is good or bad about it?

    You do understand that supply side theory was both a) a theory and b) in practice prior to Reagan ever running for Presidential office, right?
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    Love this article on trickle down economics (Reagonomics)

    Why?
    What is good or bad about it?

    You do understand that supply side theory was both a) a theory and b) in practice prior to Reagan ever running for Presidential office, right?
     
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    Trickle down is a joke

    Really?

    Because you actually believe in "trickle down" you just think the government should do the trickling...
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    Trickle down is a joke

    Really?

    Because you actually believe in "trickle down" you just think the government should do the trickling...
     
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    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality

    From November 1982, when President Ronald Reagan's new economic program was beginning to take effect, to November 1989, 18.7 million new jobs were created. It was a world record: Never before had so many jobs been created during a comparable time period.

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    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality

    From November 1982, when President Ronald Reagan's new economic program was beginning to take effect, to November 1989, 18.7 million new jobs were created. It was a world record: Never before had so many jobs been created during a comparable time period.

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    Right..Trickle-down poverty...because the GOP rigged the game..and the $$$$ trickled UP! Only the urine trickled down Reagan's leg! The piss ran down his leg while the cash trickled up to the rich! Fuck you!
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    Right..Trickle-down poverty...because the GOP rigged the game..and the $$$$ trickled UP! Only the urine trickled down Reagan's leg! The piss ran down his leg while the cash trickled up to the rich! Fuck you!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality

    From November 1982, when President Ronald Reagan's new economic program was beginning to take effect, to November 1989, 18.7 million new jobs were created. It was a world record: Never before had so many jobs been created during a comparable time period.

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    Where did you get those numbers? What CONservative think tank was it?

    Did you sleep through the 80's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ever since Ronald Reagan first attempted to make supply-side economics a reality

    From November 1982, when President Ronald Reagan's new economic program was beginning to take effect, to November 1989, 18.7 million new jobs were created. It was a world record: Never before had so many jobs been created during a comparable time period.

    Thanks for participating.

     

    Where did you get those numbers? What CONservative think tank was it?

    Did you sleep through the 80's?

     
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    Vanzack, while some of your article's facts are correct, especially about corporate greed, the conclusions are erroneous.
    1) a new paradigm is here.  companies have 1.8 trillion dollars yet refuse to invest this in our country because NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE ANYMORE...contract law and right and wrong have been surrendered to ideology or the highest bribe a lobbyist can offer
    2) the country is dying and the esprit that pulled us from the carter recession...triggered by the pure fiat currency, energy mismanagement and socialist ideologies from the sixties....is now gone.
    people are hunkering down and trying to find some way to weather the hurricane of our fiscal, social, and moral collapse.
    it is a me first, irresponsible world filled with new and interesting dangers only seen in the decaying time of every society.
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    Vanzack, while some of your article's facts are correct, especially about corporate greed, the conclusions are erroneous.
    1) a new paradigm is here.  companies have 1.8 trillion dollars yet refuse to invest this in our country because NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE ANYMORE...contract law and right and wrong have been surrendered to ideology or the highest bribe a lobbyist can offer
    2) the country is dying and the esprit that pulled us from the carter recession...triggered by the pure fiat currency, energy mismanagement and socialist ideologies from the sixties....is now gone.
    people are hunkering down and trying to find some way to weather the hurricane of our fiscal, social, and moral collapse.
    it is a me first, irresponsible world filled with new and interesting dangers only seen in the decaying time of every society.
     
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    november 1982 - november 1989

    baby boomers 1946 -1964

    in november of 1982, your eldest boomers were 36, and the youngest would have been 18.

    funny how that seven years lines up from when the last of the boomers began to enter the work force.

    you want to know something else funny, it's the correlation of interest rates to this particular age demographic (after all, it's all about them, all the time, those pesky Boomers )

    10 yr T bills were @ 4% in the last year of the Boomer birth cycle, 1964. They would peak out at 16% right when i was born, 30 years ago, the same time that the youngest boomers were turning 18. talk about a lost decade, 10 yr T's are right back where they started six decades ago, @ 4%

    click

    so you could attribute all this data convoluted by deviants and thieves to serve their agenda, or you could decide to understand what it means and why it happens

    and always remember

    "There is no perpetual motion machine which generates an ever-rising path for the prices of homes."

                                                            - Alan Greenspan

    ah, but the greatest neo-classical economist of our time must have thought there was a perpetual motion machine which generates an ever-rising path for land values, and that we could build a state driven economy and the FIRE economy on the theory that land values only ever go up, so leverage the ENTIRE economic system accordingly.
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    november 1982 - november 1989

    baby boomers 1946 -1964

    in november of 1982, your eldest boomers were 36, and the youngest would have been 18.

    funny how that seven years lines up from when the last of the boomers began to enter the work force.

    you want to know something else funny, it's the correlation of interest rates to this particular age demographic (after all, it's all about them, all the time, those pesky Boomers )

    10 yr T bills were @ 4% in the last year of the Boomer birth cycle, 1964. They would peak out at 16% right when i was born, 30 years ago, the same time that the youngest boomers were turning 18. talk about a lost decade, 10 yr T's are right back where they started six decades ago, @ 4%

    click

    so you could attribute all this data convoluted by deviants and thieves to serve their agenda, or you could decide to understand what it means and why it happens

    and always remember

    "There is no perpetual motion machine which generates an ever-rising path for the prices of homes."

                                                            - Alan Greenspan

    ah, but the greatest neo-classical economist of our time must have thought there was a perpetual motion machine which generates an ever-rising path for land values, and that we could build a state driven economy and the FIRE economy on the theory that land values only ever go up, so leverage the ENTIRE economic system accordingly.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2011 - 1:01 AM ET #11

    people are hunkering down and trying to find some way to weather the
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    hurricane of our fiscal, social, and moral collapse.
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    retirement of boomers and realization of peak oil

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    people are hunkering down and trying to find some way to weather the
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    retirement of boomers and realization of peak oil

     
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    boomers....very good connection.....they will soak the world with their narcissism til they die in nursing homes hooked up to 20 million dollar machines their grand kids can never foot the bill for yet will be held liable for.
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    boomers....very good connection.....they will soak the world with their narcissism til they die in nursing homes hooked up to 20 million dollar machines their grand kids can never foot the bill for yet will be held liable for.
     
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    The Greatest Generation, followed by the Greediest Generation.
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    The Greatest Generation, followed by the Greediest Generation.
     
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    The Silent Generation, followed by the loudest Generation

    MOre great things have come from the BOomers then any generation before them. you get the good with the bad


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    The Silent Generation, followed by the loudest Generation

    MOre great things have come from the BOomers then any generation before them. you get the good with the bad


     
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    Where did you get those numbers? What CONservative think tank was it?

    Did you sleep through the 80's?




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    Where did you get those numbers? What CONservative think tank was it?

    Did you sleep through the 80's?




     
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    Where did you get those numbers?

    From the New York Times.

    Did you sleep through the 80's?


    Huh?

    Are you suggesting that the economy didn't boom during the Reagan years?

    What CONservative think tank was it?

    Go ahead and prove me wrong, genius...
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    Where did you get those numbers?

    From the New York Times.

    Did you sleep through the 80's?


    Huh?

    Are you suggesting that the economy didn't boom during the Reagan years?

    What CONservative think tank was it?

    Go ahead and prove me wrong, genius...
     
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    By the way, this article is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

    Tying Reagan to "But we've never seen anything quite like the disaster that's playing out right now" is shamelessly dishonest propaganda.

    And so is: "inaugurate an era of persistent government deficits"

    These deficits are all because of the Democrats and have nothing to do with Reagan.


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    By the way, this article is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

    Tying Reagan to "But we've never seen anything quite like the disaster that's playing out right now" is shamelessly dishonest propaganda.

    And so is: "inaugurate an era of persistent government deficits"

    These deficits are all because of the Democrats and have nothing to do with Reagan.


     
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    Where did you get those numbers?

    Um, how about these numbers?

    16 months into the Reagan Recovery the nation’s unemployment had already fallen a full three points. By contrast, 16 months into the Obama Recovery and the nation’s unemployment rate is actually .1 points higher.

    But I'm glad vazack likes this incoherent and dishonest article!

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    Where did you get those numbers?

    Um, how about these numbers?

    16 months into the Reagan Recovery the nation’s unemployment had already fallen a full three points. By contrast, 16 months into the Obama Recovery and the nation’s unemployment rate is actually .1 points higher.

    But I'm glad vazack likes this incoherent and dishonest article!

     
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    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....


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    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....




    and what would you suggest we do with the person?
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    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....




    and what would you suggest we do with the person?
     
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    Just tax them to death.  (Putting on stereotype glasses now) They are all greedy rich bankers an financiers so they need to pay to fund aal the "worthwhile" welfare and entitlements our short sighted re-elect me politicians have promised them.

    dj - I know you are just being argumentative with your rant, but seriously the Boomers are some of the most entitled mentality people I have ever met.  I just missed being a boomer, born in 66.  They is an awful lot of human debris that aren't even trying to contribute to their own welfare let alone the good of our nation, but instead feel justified in sucking on the govt. teet and the complaining because the "greedy rich" don't want to pay more taxes to support hem. 

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    Just tax them to death.  (Putting on stereotype glasses now) They are all greedy rich bankers an financiers so they need to pay to fund aal the "worthwhile" welfare and entitlements our short sighted re-elect me politicians have promised them.

    dj - I know you are just being argumentative with your rant, but seriously the Boomers are some of the most entitled mentality people I have ever met.  I just missed being a boomer, born in 66.  They is an awful lot of human debris that aren't even trying to contribute to their own welfare let alone the good of our nation, but instead feel justified in sucking on the govt. teet and the complaining because the "greedy rich" don't want to pay more taxes to support hem. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....



    is NEED a VIRTUE.....and if so the highest of all virtues? Ayn Randian nightmare has this as the predominant mental illness in atlas shrugged....an illness noted throughout our current society and it is being foisted upon kids in school.
    whom shall WE as a nation pay for and WHO has to do the paying.
    why stop at our nation,  why not just spread the sacrifice and spread the prosperity.....makes me real excited to work for others outside of my family......where i have taught self reliance....apparently falsely.

    as for the person.....lets see what my favorite socialist philosopher has to say

    Goebbels ~ "As socialists, we are opponents of the person, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods."

    i guess obama is following his philosophy as all good socialists should.
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    Why stop at boomers? What about WWII vets? Medical costs, military pensions, social security....

    Then those in their 80s who didn't serve. They offer nothing to society.

    Damn them all for not wanting to die.

    The mentally infirm, the physically handicapped, all living on the state's dole. Many of them lack self-awareness. Time to go.

    Non-producers, immigrants, and of course, the poor. If we look hard enough, we can demonize and blame all of them. Hell, I haven't even gotten to the person.

    Demagoguery... live and well in America....



    is NEED a VIRTUE.....and if so the highest of all virtues? Ayn Randian nightmare has this as the predominant mental illness in atlas shrugged....an illness noted throughout our current society and it is being foisted upon kids in school.
    whom shall WE as a nation pay for and WHO has to do the paying.
    why stop at our nation,  why not just spread the sacrifice and spread the prosperity.....makes me real excited to work for others outside of my family......where i have taught self reliance....apparently falsely.

    as for the person.....lets see what my favorite socialist philosopher has to say

    Goebbels ~ "As socialists, we are opponents of the person, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods."

    i guess obama is following his philosophy as all good socialists should.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shsbronc54:

    Just tax them to death.  (Putting on stereotype glasses now) They are all greedy rich bankers an financiers so they need to pay to fund aal the "worthwhile" welfare and entitlements our short sighted re-elect me politicians have promised them.

    dj - I know you are just being argumentative with your rant, but seriously the Boomers are some of the most entitled mentality people I have ever met.  I just missed being a boomer, born in 66.  They is an awful lot of human debris that aren't even trying to contribute to their own welfare let alone the good of our nation, but instead feel justified in sucking on the govt. teet and the complaining because the "greedy rich" don't want to pay more taxes to support hem. 


    born in 66 too.....could not agree more......boomers on medicare will be my nightmare come true
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    Just tax them to death.  (Putting on stereotype glasses now) They are all greedy rich bankers an financiers so they need to pay to fund aal the "worthwhile" welfare and entitlements our short sighted re-elect me politicians have promised them.

    dj - I know you are just being argumentative with your rant, but seriously the Boomers are some of the most entitled mentality people I have ever met.  I just missed being a boomer, born in 66.  They is an awful lot of human debris that aren't even trying to contribute to their own welfare let alone the good of our nation, but instead feel justified in sucking on the govt. teet and the complaining because the "greedy rich" don't want to pay more taxes to support hem. 


    born in 66 too.....could not agree more......boomers on medicare will be my nightmare come true
     
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    You guys are all so mean-spirited.

    It is the exact reason I dont get involved in the politics forum - nobody recognizes that it is remotely possible to have an alternative viewpoint - and then feels the obligation to spew venom.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    You guys are all so mean-spirited.

    It is the exact reason I dont get involved in the politics forum - nobody recognizes that it is remotely possible to have an alternative viewpoint - and then feels the obligation to spew venom.

     
     
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    People generally have strong opinions, feelings about Politics (& Religion) , Van...


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