Love this article on trickle down economics (Reagonomics)

There are some that can engage in an intelligent discussion...  those that can are often the ones that simply just bash their opposite side..

There is also a few trolls and of course the cut/paste spammer.. 

We need more like you instead

this forum is also know for its trolls

its the left/right paradigm

there is no room for thought, compromise, or understanding

its me vs you

conservative vs liberal

rebublican vs democrat

rich vs poor

black vs white

muslim vs christian

atheist vs christian

and any other end of the spectrum vs the opp end

its how the system is run, this is the strength of our modern political system

hell, you even have corportions giving money to both sides in fear of giving nothing or favoring one side

divided we fall and we have never been more divided, we have never been this close to failure yet we the people have never been more powerful if we could get on the same page

i try to appreciate both sides of most arguments but fall victim to the mean spirits more often than not

 

Honestly this whole right vs. left thing really has to stop. Were getting screwed no matter who is in office right now. America is an oligarchy now and the people need to realize it.

And this is coming from a guy that really believed in obama and really thought he would fix the mess that happened under bush. Needless to say, I have been duped.

nobody recognizes that it is remotely possible to have an alternative viewpoint

Uh, the "viewpoint" you posted is mainstream liberal thought.

It isn't "alternative" by any means.

tbw Vanzack revenues to the US treasury almost doubled from 1980 to 1988, from 364 billion to 607 billion

GDP increased from 2.79 Trillion to 5.1 Trillion

Seems like it worked pretty good to me.

https://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?year=1980_1990&view=1&expand=&units=b&log=linear&fy=fy12&chart=30-fed_10-total&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&title=&state=US&color=c&local=s

shs,

Wall - We have had similar discussions before and I am not in the financial industry so you have more experience and knowldge about the subject than I.

It seems to me though that the current idea of tax the rich, punish greedy corporations, etc isn't going to do anything but drive them away even faster.  Instead shouldn't we begin encouraging business to make products here and expand and grow here?I am personally in favor of a 0% tax rate on income generated by corporations that employ Americans working in the USA.  If we can create an environment where business can make money, then they may be enticed to come here and bring their jobs with them. 

We won't get the revenue from the company, but the more working Americans will have a multiplier effect in the economy which will lead to more taxes collected.

 

Oh I dont blame the corporations for cheating as they do, we allow it.

You really are dopey.

I didnt say that my viewpoint was alternative - as in alternative to mainstream thought - I clearly meant what you just proved - that you cant accept that others have an alternative viewpoint TO YOUR VIEWPOINT.

Jeesh.

It's the exact reason I've stayed away for more than a year.

Most of the right wing is completely off the deep end, and while there are a handful who are willing and able to carry on a respectful discussion on a variety of topics, they seem to come back time and time again to the annoying habit of moving the discussion to their typical talking points on the FED etc. while sticking their fingers in their ears and repeating the same arguements over and over again.

See: every post KOAJ has ever had on the 'government'

No offense KOAJ, lots of love for ya big guy, but I'm pretty sure I just read a post of yours that was written by Adam Smith a couple hundred years ago

Plus how many times can people who use their brain come on here and pat WSC on the back for owning the right wing and every thread and being a much needed voice of reason.

So I'll do it once again for ol' times sake:

by owning do you mean supporting your socialist talking points, if so then you are correct.
WSC continually points to the ills of corporations corrupting the government but it is backwards to me as could ever be.  The government is corrupt by nature and encourages crony capitalists.  He believes in more and just government rather than minimalistic government allowing true liberty.
you believe in socialism as does he whether he admits it publicly or not.
not that it will make a difference so i dont really know why i am trying but here are some famous quotes that i recently read which fit the bill here

It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds.

If you wish to prosper, let your customer prosper. When people have learned this lesson, everyone will seek his individual welfare in the general welfare. Then jealousies between man and man, city and city, province and province, nation and nation, will no longer trouble the world.

Here I encounter the most popular fallacy of our times. It is not considered sufficient that the law should be just; it must be philanthropic. Nor is it sufficient that the law should guarantee to every citizen the free and inoffensive use of his faculties for physical, intellectual, and moral self-improvement. Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation.

yet you truly understand none of them....they are therefore all the same to you and pointless

drJ,

blindly, not hardly.  your eyes are open but i feel what half of what you believe is wrong.  we both condemn crony capitalism and unfair laws being passed through bribes to congress etc.
where i disagree with you is that taxation laws should hold up the dregs or needy of society(philanthropic laws as the quote i mentioned above).
once a gov begins to create such entitlement laws the machinery naturally exists for the shrewdest and often richest to use that machinery to create or expand crony capitalism.  once looting is legalized it cannot be controlled by any particular morality since looting by itself is immoral.

I clearly meant what you just proved - that you cant accept that others have an alternative viewpoint TO YOUR VIEWPOINT.

Er, I didn't dispute you have an "alternative viewpoint" to my own.

What I pointed out is that the article you posted was full of lies.

Plus how many times can people who use their brain come on here and pat WSC on the back for owning the right wing and every thread and being a much needed voice of reason.




Wow.

 

 

My bad. I forgot you right wing idiots use "Yacht Sales" as an economic indicator. In that case the 80's were a great decade.

In that case the 80's were a great decade.

They were if you wanted a job.

What is funny is you seem to be disputing there was economic growth in the 80's.

I would love to see you prove me wrong.

. I forgot you right wing idiots use "Yacht Sales" as an economic indicator

I forgot, you left wingers use emotion instead of facts.

PS, In the seven quarters following the ’81–’82 recession, GDP growth averaged 7.1%

But I guess you don't want that to be true, so now you can insert you silly talking point here ______

During the 80's we still had a reasonable manufacturing base and we were stupidly overpaying for bad goods we were producing.

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