My turn is comical. I hate almost all politicians equally. I think they are all crooked. I like Bernie Sanders. I simply preferred Trump over Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris.
I'll add that my economic policy beliefs are not much different than your own. We differ on border security. And maybevsome foreigh policy stuff. You try to paint any Republican, and conservative, and anyone who isn't staunchly liberal, as some hardcore MAGA Trumpers because you don't moderate, you instigate. You never once actually consider our beliefs and stance. You just hand out jerseys.
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My turn is comical. I hate almost all politicians equally. I think they are all crooked. I like Bernie Sanders. I simply preferred Trump over Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris.
I'll add that my economic policy beliefs are not much different than your own. We differ on border security. And maybevsome foreigh policy stuff. You try to paint any Republican, and conservative, and anyone who isn't staunchly liberal, as some hardcore MAGA Trumpers because you don't moderate, you instigate. You never once actually consider our beliefs and stance. You just hand out jerseys.
Ok DEMS DEMS DEMS, got that in spades, it is your turn you have the guy in office you have the numbers in congress so there is no excuse or blame shifting to lean back on just get the job done and do what was campaigned and tooted about already.
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Ok DEMS DEMS DEMS, got that in spades, it is your turn you have the guy in office you have the numbers in congress so there is no excuse or blame shifting to lean back on just get the job done and do what was campaigned and tooted about already.
My position as it has been stated multiple times is that I think Trump is involved and that the TNC campaigned on getting the info released blaming the DEMS for not releasing the info before, well that is no longer a position to take. Your replies are DEMS...just read your messages, you cant lean on DEM blame when Trump is in office and the DEMS are in the minority and the TNC is in pretty much every position of control now.
Time to get the job done and let whatever happens happen, I dont want to hear DEMS and DEM blame, that is a stale retort and has no relevance. In fact I watched a clip where Ruben a DEM is charging to get the info released while the repubs are squirming and deflecting, nobody is taking the issue and making results.
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My position as it has been stated multiple times is that I think Trump is involved and that the TNC campaigned on getting the info released blaming the DEMS for not releasing the info before, well that is no longer a position to take. Your replies are DEMS...just read your messages, you cant lean on DEM blame when Trump is in office and the DEMS are in the minority and the TNC is in pretty much every position of control now.
Time to get the job done and let whatever happens happen, I dont want to hear DEMS and DEM blame, that is a stale retort and has no relevance. In fact I watched a clip where Ruben a DEM is charging to get the info released while the repubs are squirming and deflecting, nobody is taking the issue and making results.
You're a "moderator" here so i'm sure you realize there is a quote function. Show me where I blamed Democrats for anything. Show me where I have ever used the term "Dems". As I have said, I find it offensive.
All I said was Democrats, mainly on this site, are up in arms as if there are new revelations when these stories and these people have been around for years. This is all fact. Virginia (the woman in question) is deceased but there are dozens still around. Why isn't anyone talking to them, choosing instead to create narratives with pictures (all taken at public events) and birthday cards. There are facts we know in this case. On avoidable fact is that their driendship ended around when this activity began. I erroneously stated their were no victims prior to the early 2000s. Now remembering the documentary I first learned of Virginia from, I seem to recall one victim prior. I remember a ranch in New Mexico, and art, but not all the details so I will look it up. What I do recall is that this victim also never mentioned Donald Trump.
I think the reason no one is interviewing the actual victims is because none of them have a story about Trump.
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@wallstreetcappers
You're a "moderator" here so i'm sure you realize there is a quote function. Show me where I blamed Democrats for anything. Show me where I have ever used the term "Dems". As I have said, I find it offensive.
All I said was Democrats, mainly on this site, are up in arms as if there are new revelations when these stories and these people have been around for years. This is all fact. Virginia (the woman in question) is deceased but there are dozens still around. Why isn't anyone talking to them, choosing instead to create narratives with pictures (all taken at public events) and birthday cards. There are facts we know in this case. On avoidable fact is that their driendship ended around when this activity began. I erroneously stated their were no victims prior to the early 2000s. Now remembering the documentary I first learned of Virginia from, I seem to recall one victim prior. I remember a ranch in New Mexico, and art, but not all the details so I will look it up. What I do recall is that this victim also never mentioned Donald Trump.
I think the reason no one is interviewing the actual victims is because none of them have a story about Trump.
Post 97, not sure why naming a democratic politician has any relevance to the conversation or the issue especially to me. I am not concerned with what party is to blame. My comments are that one party is blame oriented and ran on the pretense of getting stuff done on DAY 1 that the DEMS were the reason why this and that and the other, its a lame fallback but it works and now it is time to get the job done.
Your last line what does that have to do with anything, the TNC is in charge now the GOP has control of the narrative more so than in many years, THEY campaigned on this and are allegedly going to uncover the hidden DEM agenda so the TNC/GOP needs to interview the survivors and victims, why fall back that it is about Trump? I dont care who was involved and given that the GOP blasted from the rooftops that things would get done, well get it done already. The GOP needs to be interviewing not saying that the DEMS arent because blah blah blah, they were going to uncover the dirt on Epstein and find out the truth so get it done already...its past day 1.
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Post 97, not sure why naming a democratic politician has any relevance to the conversation or the issue especially to me. I am not concerned with what party is to blame. My comments are that one party is blame oriented and ran on the pretense of getting stuff done on DAY 1 that the DEMS were the reason why this and that and the other, its a lame fallback but it works and now it is time to get the job done.
Your last line what does that have to do with anything, the TNC is in charge now the GOP has control of the narrative more so than in many years, THEY campaigned on this and are allegedly going to uncover the hidden DEM agenda so the TNC/GOP needs to interview the survivors and victims, why fall back that it is about Trump? I dont care who was involved and given that the GOP blasted from the rooftops that things would get done, well get it done already. The GOP needs to be interviewing not saying that the DEMS arent because blah blah blah, they were going to uncover the dirt on Epstein and find out the truth so get it done already...its past day 1.
Post 97, not sure why naming a democratic politician has any relevance to the conversation or the issue especially to me. I am not concerned with what party is to blame. My comments are that one party is blame oriented and ran on the pretense of getting stuff done on DAY 1 that the DEMS were the reason why this and that and the other, its a lame fallback but it works and now it is time to get the job done. Your last line what does that have to do with anything, the TNC is in charge now the GOP has control of the narrative more so than in many years, THEY campaigned on this and are allegedly going to uncover the hidden DEM agenda so the TNC/GOP needs to interview the survivors and victims, why fall back that it is about Trump? I dont care who was involved and given that the GOP blasted from the rooftops that things would get done, well get it done already. The GOP needs to be interviewing not saying that the DEMS arent because blah blah blah, they were going to uncover the dirt on Epstein and find out the truth so get it done already...its past day 1.
Show where the GOP blasted from the rooftops that they would release all the Epstein evidence? Another narrative.
Look, I may be characterized as someone with a blind allegiance to Trump, but i'm not. I believe everything should be released. However, I base my notions on fact, not whim or party affiliation. The known facts, as it relates to Trump, are:
1) There were many victims identified but none as of yet have implicated, or even mentioned Trump. There were several people who were mentioned. Yes, that includes at least two Demcratic politicians. You asked why I bring this up? It is because the Democrats are the ones currently using this heinous crime as a political football with no consideration of the actual victims. And contrary to the current false narrative, while this may have been mentioned during the campaign, it wasn't a major talking point.
2) Aside from the events involving Maria and Annie Farmer, all of Epsteins victims are from the early 2000s on. Trump broke off there friendship in the early 2000s. Maria and Annie Farmer, like all other victims who have given statements, never mentioned Trump.
These are facts. So i'm sorry if i'm a person who doesn't agree with calling a person rhe worst possible thing, a pedophile, absent of evidence, or more specifically, where the evidence refutes it. I defended Democratic politicians the same way during Pizzagate. We shouldn't live in a world where one can be so cavalier with the use of that word. I mean, we literally had multiple posters here say that if you support Donald Trump, you must be a pedophile too but apparently Democrats is a bad term to use. That's how this site is governed. I don’t throw around terms like pedophile and rapist so loosely.
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Post 97, not sure why naming a democratic politician has any relevance to the conversation or the issue especially to me. I am not concerned with what party is to blame. My comments are that one party is blame oriented and ran on the pretense of getting stuff done on DAY 1 that the DEMS were the reason why this and that and the other, its a lame fallback but it works and now it is time to get the job done. Your last line what does that have to do with anything, the TNC is in charge now the GOP has control of the narrative more so than in many years, THEY campaigned on this and are allegedly going to uncover the hidden DEM agenda so the TNC/GOP needs to interview the survivors and victims, why fall back that it is about Trump? I dont care who was involved and given that the GOP blasted from the rooftops that things would get done, well get it done already. The GOP needs to be interviewing not saying that the DEMS arent because blah blah blah, they were going to uncover the dirt on Epstein and find out the truth so get it done already...its past day 1.
Show where the GOP blasted from the rooftops that they would release all the Epstein evidence? Another narrative.
Look, I may be characterized as someone with a blind allegiance to Trump, but i'm not. I believe everything should be released. However, I base my notions on fact, not whim or party affiliation. The known facts, as it relates to Trump, are:
1) There were many victims identified but none as of yet have implicated, or even mentioned Trump. There were several people who were mentioned. Yes, that includes at least two Demcratic politicians. You asked why I bring this up? It is because the Democrats are the ones currently using this heinous crime as a political football with no consideration of the actual victims. And contrary to the current false narrative, while this may have been mentioned during the campaign, it wasn't a major talking point.
2) Aside from the events involving Maria and Annie Farmer, all of Epsteins victims are from the early 2000s on. Trump broke off there friendship in the early 2000s. Maria and Annie Farmer, like all other victims who have given statements, never mentioned Trump.
These are facts. So i'm sorry if i'm a person who doesn't agree with calling a person rhe worst possible thing, a pedophile, absent of evidence, or more specifically, where the evidence refutes it. I defended Democratic politicians the same way during Pizzagate. We shouldn't live in a world where one can be so cavalier with the use of that word. I mean, we literally had multiple posters here say that if you support Donald Trump, you must be a pedophile too but apparently Democrats is a bad term to use. That's how this site is governed. I don’t throw around terms like pedophile and rapist so loosely.
You should get off this site governed bad mod lean it goes nowhere and is completely false. The fact that you specifically and several others ignore the rules and correlate action with political party is comical and very misguided. You are a retaliatory angry and aggressive poster and have issues responding to others while keeping your cool as is the same with several others you side with, THIS is the issue. So when you guys go off and say that no poster has been boxed that is a DEM or LIB or whatever and this tit for tat stuff shows you are partisan and are not at all understanding the real true issues.
I/we cannot go off a use of a single term when both side have used it, this is why you are so upset and go to the unfair card bad mod card, you want a term used to get someone boxed or banned when it is used in a way you dislike but when the other group has used it OR does other methods to elicit a response then that is just due course for someone that deserves it. You cant have conflicts AND be responsible for instigating and being combative AND get the results you want. If you want to send user reports then make sure you are upstanding and above reproach always. It does help when a user report is not being sent as a weapon against one side over and over and over and over, this repetitive retaliatory way of using the report function will not get the results you want. There are many people who review reports and make decisions and most of us understand the dynamic here and see what this game is and we decide accordingly.
At some point your group could understand what is causing issues and take responsibility for the member to member issues and do better at either avoiding interaction with those who you dislike OR be above the fray and not be combative or blame the site and a mod for some silly tally balance when the issues have nothing to do with a political grouping.
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@StumpTownStu
You should get off this site governed bad mod lean it goes nowhere and is completely false. The fact that you specifically and several others ignore the rules and correlate action with political party is comical and very misguided. You are a retaliatory angry and aggressive poster and have issues responding to others while keeping your cool as is the same with several others you side with, THIS is the issue. So when you guys go off and say that no poster has been boxed that is a DEM or LIB or whatever and this tit for tat stuff shows you are partisan and are not at all understanding the real true issues.
I/we cannot go off a use of a single term when both side have used it, this is why you are so upset and go to the unfair card bad mod card, you want a term used to get someone boxed or banned when it is used in a way you dislike but when the other group has used it OR does other methods to elicit a response then that is just due course for someone that deserves it. You cant have conflicts AND be responsible for instigating and being combative AND get the results you want. If you want to send user reports then make sure you are upstanding and above reproach always. It does help when a user report is not being sent as a weapon against one side over and over and over and over, this repetitive retaliatory way of using the report function will not get the results you want. There are many people who review reports and make decisions and most of us understand the dynamic here and see what this game is and we decide accordingly.
At some point your group could understand what is causing issues and take responsibility for the member to member issues and do better at either avoiding interaction with those who you dislike OR be above the fray and not be combative or blame the site and a mod for some silly tally balance when the issues have nothing to do with a political grouping.
You won't gaslight me. Your bias in moderation is pretty well documented. You can't even lean on the "i'm not the only moderator" narrative because you literally threaten posters on almost daily basis. We all know it's you. You make up rules, which are no where mentioned in the terms of this site, and then you aggressively target the posters who fall on one side politically. You preach about rules but routinely ignore infractions from one political side. You stalk and harass posters, even they ask you please stop. You instigate rather than moderating. You are an absolute menace.
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@wallstreetcappers
You won't gaslight me. Your bias in moderation is pretty well documented. You can't even lean on the "i'm not the only moderator" narrative because you literally threaten posters on almost daily basis. We all know it's you. You make up rules, which are no where mentioned in the terms of this site, and then you aggressively target the posters who fall on one side politically. You preach about rules but routinely ignore infractions from one political side. You stalk and harass posters, even they ask you please stop. You instigate rather than moderating. You are an absolute menace.
Again, for the umpteenth time, who is "my group"? I dont fit into any of your boxes, and I have asked yoi multiple times to not refer to me in that way, or at very least, identity the group. Moderators don't act this way. Do you see any other mods carrying on like this?
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@wallstreetcappers
Again, for the umpteenth time, who is "my group"? I dont fit into any of your boxes, and I have asked yoi multiple times to not refer to me in that way, or at very least, identity the group. Moderators don't act this way. Do you see any other mods carrying on like this?
Well you can stick with your narrative versus listening to reasonable words and that is up to you but do not expect a different result when you force a narrative that is erroneous and lacks personal responsibility.
It would be better for everyone involved if those you side with just figured it out to avoid the conflicts and stop engaging with those you disagree with. One thing that is blaringly obvious, two groups here and one avoids member to member interactions because they know it will not lead to a good result. Ive been suggesting this for a long long long time and one group listened and got it, the other has not and wonders why the issues continue.
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Well you can stick with your narrative versus listening to reasonable words and that is up to you but do not expect a different result when you force a narrative that is erroneous and lacks personal responsibility.
It would be better for everyone involved if those you side with just figured it out to avoid the conflicts and stop engaging with those you disagree with. One thing that is blaringly obvious, two groups here and one avoids member to member interactions because they know it will not lead to a good result. Ive been suggesting this for a long long long time and one group listened and got it, the other has not and wonders why the issues continue.
Your group is that which falls on the bad mod biased site stuff, the group who blames the other partisan side and a mod for rules they break and results they contribute to happening.
There are lessons to be learned by observing how others act and interact and how others avoid confrontation but nah just go and blame a mod when your heated reply or aggressive words causes issues and actions are taken.
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@StumpTownStu
Your group is that which falls on the bad mod biased site stuff, the group who blames the other partisan side and a mod for rules they break and results they contribute to happening.
There are lessons to be learned by observing how others act and interact and how others avoid confrontation but nah just go and blame a mod when your heated reply or aggressive words causes issues and actions are taken.
@StumpTownStu Well you can stick with your narrative versus listening to reasonable words and that is up to you but do not expect a different result when you force a narrative that is erroneous and lacks personal responsibility. It would be better for everyone involved if those you side with just figured it out to avoid the conflicts and stop engaging with those you disagree with. One thing that is blaringly obvious, two groups here and one avoids member to member interactions because they know it will not lead to a good result. Ive been suggesting this for a long long long time and one group listened and got it, the other has not and wonders why the issues continue.
One thing is obvious. One group can create threads saying that every member of a political side is pedophiles, including members of this site. Others can them chime in, stating that posters on this site are pedophiles, and that is "avoiding conflict" but me saying "Democrats is bad? Just so we're clear of your version on how things go around here. You followed unpluckedgems into a Penalty Box thread, which mods never do, but you, as a mod, have the audacity to speak on "my side" "avoiding conflict"? Your narcissism knows no bounds.
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@StumpTownStu Well you can stick with your narrative versus listening to reasonable words and that is up to you but do not expect a different result when you force a narrative that is erroneous and lacks personal responsibility. It would be better for everyone involved if those you side with just figured it out to avoid the conflicts and stop engaging with those you disagree with. One thing that is blaringly obvious, two groups here and one avoids member to member interactions because they know it will not lead to a good result. Ive been suggesting this for a long long long time and one group listened and got it, the other has not and wonders why the issues continue.
One thing is obvious. One group can create threads saying that every member of a political side is pedophiles, including members of this site. Others can them chime in, stating that posters on this site are pedophiles, and that is "avoiding conflict" but me saying "Democrats is bad? Just so we're clear of your version on how things go around here. You followed unpluckedgems into a Penalty Box thread, which mods never do, but you, as a mod, have the audacity to speak on "my side" "avoiding conflict"? Your narcissism knows no bounds.
@StumpTownStu Your group is that which falls on the bad mod biased site stuff, the group who blames the other partisan side and a mod for rules they break and results they contribute to happening. There are lessons to be learned by observing how others act and interact and how others avoid confrontation but nah just go and blame a mod when your heated reply or aggressive words causes issues and actions are taken.
This statement is so comical, it may as well be a vaudeville act i'll keep "observing how others act and interact, and how others avoid confrontation."
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@StumpTownStu Your group is that which falls on the bad mod biased site stuff, the group who blames the other partisan side and a mod for rules they break and results they contribute to happening. There are lessons to be learned by observing how others act and interact and how others avoid confrontation but nah just go and blame a mod when your heated reply or aggressive words causes issues and actions are taken.
This statement is so comical, it may as well be a vaudeville act i'll keep "observing how others act and interact, and how others avoid confrontation."
Notice that your replies are sharp and pointed towards me when I am doing none of that in my replies. Maybe this is before your time here but this conversation about avoidance was had with the other side a while back when there were issues that happened and in this case MOST of the people who were engaging and having a concern listened and have done a very good job at avoiding conflict member to member by not interacting with those who the issues were concerning.
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@StumpTownStu
Notice that your replies are sharp and pointed towards me when I am doing none of that in my replies. Maybe this is before your time here but this conversation about avoidance was had with the other side a while back when there were issues that happened and in this case MOST of the people who were engaging and having a concern listened and have done a very good job at avoiding conflict member to member by not interacting with those who the issues were concerning.
If you objectively looked at how many conflicts you yourself instigate, you would probably have an existential crisis. Please spare me the lectures on avoidance.
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@wallstreetcappers
If you objectively looked at how many conflicts you yourself instigate, you would probably have an existential crisis. Please spare me the lectures on avoidance.
See even this reply is combative and negative. I suggested to you (and have many times) the same thing I suggested to them because believe me that the other side feels the same angst that you do but the difference is they listened and have done what was requested and that is to adhere to the site rules. No need for the sharp reply all I am doing is laying out (again) what the expectations are and letting you know of a more constructive way of avoiding situations which you obviously take issue with.
The conflicts you are referring to is a reflection of you not understanding the dynamic and what is required to avoid the situations you take issue with.
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See even this reply is combative and negative. I suggested to you (and have many times) the same thing I suggested to them because believe me that the other side feels the same angst that you do but the difference is they listened and have done what was requested and that is to adhere to the site rules. No need for the sharp reply all I am doing is laying out (again) what the expectations are and letting you know of a more constructive way of avoiding situations which you obviously take issue with.
The conflicts you are referring to is a reflection of you not understanding the dynamic and what is required to avoid the situations you take issue with.
Today on Newmax Trump was hitting softballs and said…Todd went in and I think he just wants to make sure that innocent people aren’t hurt,” Trump added, noting that he hasn’t spoken with his deputy attorney general about Maxwell and doesn’t know if there are plans to release a transcript of the interview. ……He hasn’t spoke to Blanche yet? Blanche had Trump on the phone before they turned the key on in the black government Tahoe!……Maxwells Attorney is brilliant!
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Today on Newmax Trump was hitting softballs and said…Todd went in and I think he just wants to make sure that innocent people aren’t hurt,” Trump added, noting that he hasn’t spoken with his deputy attorney general about Maxwell and doesn’t know if there are plans to release a transcript of the interview. ……He hasn’t spoke to Blanche yet? Blanche had Trump on the phone before they turned the key on in the black government Tahoe!……Maxwells Attorney is brilliant!
Aww crap. The victims’ families are now quoting Trump’s own recent quotes as indicative of how much he knew about Epstein, lurking in Trump’s spa with teenagers. Not a good look for Dementia Don, who can hardly string a few sentences together.
“It makes us ask if he was aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s criminal actions, especially given his statement two years later that his good friend Jeffrey ‘likes women on the younger side … no doubt about it,’” Giuffre’s two brothers and her sisters-in-law told The Atlantic in an exclusive statement, their first public response to the president. “We and the public are asking for answers; survivors deserve this.”
Giuffre died by suicide at her home in Australia in late April. In civil litigation and information provided to law enforcement, Giuffre alleged that she had been recruited by Maxwell while working at Mar-a-Lago as a high schooler and had then been sexually abused from around 1999 to 2002 by Epstein, Maxwell, and others. Giuffre also alleged that Epstein had trafficked her to other prominent men. Epstein died in jail in June 2019 while he was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges.
Giuffre’s family told me that Virginia’s work at Mar-a-Lago was meant to be a fun summertime job but instead led to her being sex trafficked.
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Aww crap. The victims’ families are now quoting Trump’s own recent quotes as indicative of how much he knew about Epstein, lurking in Trump’s spa with teenagers. Not a good look for Dementia Don, who can hardly string a few sentences together.
“It makes us ask if he was aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s criminal actions, especially given his statement two years later that his good friend Jeffrey ‘likes women on the younger side … no doubt about it,’” Giuffre’s two brothers and her sisters-in-law told The Atlantic in an exclusive statement, their first public response to the president. “We and the public are asking for answers; survivors deserve this.”
Giuffre died by suicide at her home in Australia in late April. In civil litigation and information provided to law enforcement, Giuffre alleged that she had been recruited by Maxwell while working at Mar-a-Lago as a high schooler and had then been sexually abused from around 1999 to 2002 by Epstein, Maxwell, and others. Giuffre also alleged that Epstein had trafficked her to other prominent men. Epstein died in jail in June 2019 while he was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges.
Giuffre’s family told me that Virginia’s work at Mar-a-Lago was meant to be a fun summertime job but instead led to her being sex trafficked.
Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there.
This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
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Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there.
This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
Aww crap. The victims’ families are now quoting Trump’s own recent quotes as indicative of how much he knew about Epstein, lurking in Trump’s spa with teenagers. Not a good look for Dementia Don, who can hardly string a few sentences together. “It makes us ask if he was aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s criminal actions, especially given his statement two years later that his good friend Jeffrey ‘likes women on the younger side … no doubt about it,’” Giuffre’s two brothers and her sisters-in-law told The Atlantic in an exclusive statement, their first public response to the president. “We and the public are asking for answers; survivors deserve this.” Giuffre died by suicide at her home in Australia in late April. In civil litigation and information provided to law enforcement, Giuffre alleged that she had been recruited by Maxwell while working at Mar-a-Lago as a high schooler and had then been sexually abused from around 1999 to 2002 by Epstein, Maxwell, and others. Giuffre also alleged that Epstein had trafficked her to other prominent men. Epstein died in jail in June 2019 while he was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges. Giuffre’s family told me that Virginia’s work at Mar-a-Lago was meant to be a fun summertime job but instead led to her being sex trafficked.
Which family are we talking about? The family so horrible, she had to run away from home and face abuse? The family that had nothing to do with her in life but now wants to cash in on her in death?
I will say it again, in life, Virginia named implacated many rich and powerful people, but she never mentioned Donald Trump.
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Aww crap. The victims’ families are now quoting Trump’s own recent quotes as indicative of how much he knew about Epstein, lurking in Trump’s spa with teenagers. Not a good look for Dementia Don, who can hardly string a few sentences together. “It makes us ask if he was aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s criminal actions, especially given his statement two years later that his good friend Jeffrey ‘likes women on the younger side … no doubt about it,’” Giuffre’s two brothers and her sisters-in-law told The Atlantic in an exclusive statement, their first public response to the president. “We and the public are asking for answers; survivors deserve this.” Giuffre died by suicide at her home in Australia in late April. In civil litigation and information provided to law enforcement, Giuffre alleged that she had been recruited by Maxwell while working at Mar-a-Lago as a high schooler and had then been sexually abused from around 1999 to 2002 by Epstein, Maxwell, and others. Giuffre also alleged that Epstein had trafficked her to other prominent men. Epstein died in jail in June 2019 while he was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges. Giuffre’s family told me that Virginia’s work at Mar-a-Lago was meant to be a fun summertime job but instead led to her being sex trafficked.
Which family are we talking about? The family so horrible, she had to run away from home and face abuse? The family that had nothing to do with her in life but now wants to cash in on her in death?
I will say it again, in life, Virginia named implacated many rich and powerful people, but she never mentioned Donald Trump.
@Sidehatch Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
Which victims and witnesses were harassed? And how do you/we know anything of what Epstein knew? Why create this narratives outvof thin air? The woman in question was approached by Maxwell because she was reading a book on massage therapy. Why promote a false narrative that Mar a Lago was some recruiting/grooming ground?
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:
@Sidehatch Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
Which victims and witnesses were harassed? And how do you/we know anything of what Epstein knew? Why create this narratives outvof thin air? The woman in question was approached by Maxwell because she was reading a book on massage therapy. Why promote a false narrative that Mar a Lago was some recruiting/grooming ground?
Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: @Sidehatch Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors. Which victims and witnesses were harassed? And how do you/we know anything of what Epstein knew? Why create this narratives outvof thin air? The woman in question was approached by Maxwell because she was reading a book on massage therapy. Why promote a false narrative that Mar a Lago was some recruiting/grooming ground?
Why waste your time with this? Just let the kids have their tantrums.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: @Sidehatch Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors. Which victims and witnesses were harassed? And how do you/we know anything of what Epstein knew? Why create this narratives outvof thin air? The woman in question was approached by Maxwell because she was reading a book on massage therapy. Why promote a false narrative that Mar a Lago was some recruiting/grooming ground?
Why waste your time with this? Just let the kids have their tantrums.
Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
@Sidehatch
It's time for sure. But in trump's new MAGA REICH it won't happen...
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:
Why did Epstein choose to target the Mar-a-Lago spa? It appears he was fully aware there were underage girls working there. This is the kind of thing special counsel is designed to look into. Time to stop letting Trump’s personal attorneys harass the witnesses and victims, and turn the case over to unbiased prosecutors.
@Sidehatch
It's time for sure. But in trump's new MAGA REICH it won't happen...
“Pam Bondi’s big Epstein files party was a bust. It turned out the documents she called declassified, which included pages from Epstein’s infamous “ black book ,” had been previously released, most recently during the criminal trial of Ghislaine Maxwell four years earlier. (The black book revealed Trump’s name and the names of his wife, Melania, and other family members.)” This is from the article below
Looks to me that like Trump DOJ & FBI will redact most of the information regarding Epstein and Trump inform the pubic in Trump friendly narrative that he knew nothing about, did nothing and should get a Nobel peace prize and Mrs Maxwell was a misunderstood victim!
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“Pam Bondi’s big Epstein files party was a bust. It turned out the documents she called declassified, which included pages from Epstein’s infamous “ black book ,” had been previously released, most recently during the criminal trial of Ghislaine Maxwell four years earlier. (The black book revealed Trump’s name and the names of his wife, Melania, and other family members.)” This is from the article below
Looks to me that like Trump DOJ & FBI will redact most of the information regarding Epstein and Trump inform the pubic in Trump friendly narrative that he knew nothing about, did nothing and should get a Nobel peace prize and Mrs Maxwell was a misunderstood victim!
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Blanche had Trump on the phone before they turned the key on in the black government Tahoe!……Maxwells Attorney is brilliant!
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