“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said in 2002

I don't know if it is rich coming from me - cause I would also be the last person in here to whine about: being boxed, about "unfair" moderation or being called "names" -- but calling people pedophiles is crossing my line --- but I would basically just leave a website if I couldn't handle the way I was "treated" - none is forcing anyone to be here - I get you like it here and you want to stay here etc. - but you can't change how it is being moderated as you clearly must have realised by now - then you either live with how it is or leave - If I knew it would make you guys quit whining about being boxed I would happily take one for the team and take an eternal boxing - because the whining is what makes it cringe - rather you are correct or not

@wallstreetcappers

 WSC, what opinion are you even speaking of? You don't even know/acknowledge my opinions. You assign opinions to me, based on your own personal whim. Just the same, you assign me a "side" based on your own narrative when I have repeatedly asked you not too. Literally no one on this site bothers me. I am not easily offended, and I always make friends with people I have beef with. cd and I literally call each other brothers. Let that sink in. You have more issue interacting with others than I do. And quite honest, your over abundance of personal interactions are unbecoming of a moderator. Have you never noticed that you are the only moderator who does this? You you see Brow engaging in, even instigating these constant back and forths?

Gems said that he felt you are stalking him and harassing him. He said you seem to be going into threads simply to aggressively respond to him, where your commentary adds no other value. He has asked you repeatedly to stop, without insult. He asked you again today and you boxed him.

@Calde13

 I'm not personally bothered by it. If I was, then as you suggested, I would just leave. Literally the only people in the world capable of offending me are my wife, my mother, and my eldest sister, who is very motherly to me. This is a small chat forum. I'm not offended by anything here. I just believe in calling a spade a spade and not a garden tool or a damn shovel.

@StumpTownStu

 Your hostility represents your opinion, that is how you communicate your opinion in how you interact with others and that includes members you agree with and those you do not. It is quite obvious your opinion and that is why I do not label right or left rather groups as to how they INTERACT with others member to member.

Your hostility and attacks, the angst you post is quite predictable and is easy for anyone to see who hangs around this section of the site. That is why I keep strongly suggesting that if you cannot reply to others and be reasonable, respectful and follow the rules then it is better to not reply to those who bother you so much.

The only metric we go off here is how members interact with other members, the rest is just noise so you can complain about partisan this and that but the single measure to how mods or the site make decisions is in member to member interaction with the guidelines that are listed.

@wallstreetcappers

 Stop gaslighting me and other members. It's not us, it's you. You are the problem. You are the hostile one.

LOL, the troll who asks questions in bad faith, then changes the subject, then acts offended when called out on it and accuses those who document his history - is not the problem? 

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a lib. Got it! 

Now that you have us all boxed up in these tiny little boxes, and you act royally butthurt every time anyone dares disagree with you, and you lash out. 

Yep, you're totally not the problem. How about more labels for anyone who doesn't have the same Trump ball-washing worldview you have? I'm sure more labels will fix everything. 

TRUMP IS NOW LOOKING AT PARDONING HIS OLD FRIEND, CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICKER GHISLAINE MAXWELL.

I feel that this is probably the stupidest outcome of all of this. His advisers must all be desperate yes-men. How does pardoning his old buddy, the sex trafficker, help fight global sex trafficking again? I thought the whole point of this was to reduce sex trafficking, not release the predators from prison.

@Sidehatch

 You are one of the most toxic and offensive people on this site. I will not take the bait.

Oh but releasing criminals from prison is trump's thing...

So too is pardoning criminals like himself.

Yep there are elected Republicans who feel Maxwell is a victim! Make you wonder when sequels Project 2028 comes to light sex offender will be decriminalized…..It would clean a lot of slates!

Denounce a hall pass for convicted pedo Ghislaine Maxwell. Why does she deserve a Trump pardon? He’s already said he is considering it. Why should a convicted pedo get a pardon? Because she’s his old friend? 

Well he has two options now either pardon her or kill her - and both would look bad on him 

Working on the assumption he is a pedophile (and she has anything dirty on him of course) 

Maxwell will most likely be pardoned or sentence commuted but I don't believe this will happen before the midterms.

Just find it ironic that they fed ehitey bulger to the Italians had him tortured to death for being an FBI ci but a known pediphile Maxwell and her hubby Jeff are just dwell people.... Todays conservative movement....

Call me liberal leaning Democrat at this point. I don't like kids in that way and I ain't rich enough to belong to that party..,

She should die in prison, if she even is really there, and not living in Israel.

Donald Trump says that his issue with Epstein was that he was stealing his employees, And his opinion of Maxwell “I wish her well. I’m not looking for anything bad for her.” ? No mention of both being prosecuted for pedophilia…. He also said he didn’t have “the privilege ” of going to child molestition island. Because that’s totally what innocent people would say after finding out one of their longest friends was running a child sex trafficking operation that they knew nothing about ? …How hard is it to just say, “I had no idea this was happening, I condemn it unreservedly, and hope that the workings of the justice system bring some measure of peace to the innocent victims”?

It simply amazes me that a man who lies almost as often as he breathes, can’t seem to manage to tell the obviously correct lies when confronted by such questions. How does he come up with things that are still obviously lies, but lies that make him look bad, too? Worse yet he can’t actually remember what he’s said, one day to the next.

Smells like Donny got a brief after the prison meet the other day, this shift in blame with details about the female mentioned is both new and quite bizarre. 

What happened to exposing the truth for what happened instead of covering for Trump, the drum beating that the TNC did last year and prior was almost as strong as the illegal deportations and yet here we are with our thumbs up our rear spinning going nowhere.

 Trump is quite dense I have to say, he listens to no one when it comes to how to conduct an interview and comes off as unprepared and senile. Now his story is Jeff was stealing underaged spa workers and he is OUTTA HERE? This is the new story?

It's an old story actually. Even on this very site, Trump's supporters have said that Trump fell out with Epstein partially because Epstein was recruiting women from Mar a Lago. The woman in question was one of the most out in a public and vocal victims. She was interviewed many times. She is the one who implicated Prince Andrew. Do you know who she never implicated? Donald Trump.

Democrats don't care about the actual victims, and they don't care about the truth.

@StumpTownStu

 So why did Trump himself never reference this prior to this week? And how old were the workers at the spa given that this girl was taken at age 16 and was allegedly working for Trump for two years?

Too many conflicting narratives and way too much proof to suggest that Trump was not strongly involved with the Epstein enterprise. I do not need a piece of paper to know that Trump is a zero womanizing creep, I thought that in the 90s based only on bragging words that came from his own mouth multiple times. My issue is that the TNC were barnstorming this issue and promised immediate clarity and information, now there is crickets and multiple conflicting narratives running around.

She was 17 when she was "taken" from the spa. She was a spa attendant which means she checked people in, handed out towels, etc. She was approached by Maxwell. It is not uncommon for resorts to employ teen. It's extremely common in places that are somewhat resort/vacation destinations. Florida, for example, or in my personal experience, Lake Tahoe. Ironically, in the last 20 years, foreigners on temp visas, mostly from Central and South America, have taken a lot of that work.

You speak of proof. The proof is Epstein started getting creepy. Epstein started recruiting girls from Mar a Lago. Trump broke off the friendship. There was also something about Epstein snaking a property from under him too.

They had been friends since the 80s. Epstein gets into some weird stuff in the early 2000s and Trump breaks off their friendship. There have been no victims to come forward from prior to the 2000s. There has been no victims, of which there are dozens, to ever implicate Donald Trump. Why are Democrats writing fan fiction instead of just interviewing victims?

@StumpTownStu

 How many victims have come forward that have not been interviewed? Why has the TNC not done this since the drum beating originated from THAT side over a year ago and multiple promises were made regarding blaming the DEMS for stalling on releasing the info, remember that the stalling was to hide stuff about Clinton, Gates, Soros whatever the left doods who were involved, that was the horn tooting which the TNC blasted and yet here we are with nothing being done.

I dont care who was involved I just get bothered with the deflection and blame finger pointing narrative which serves a purpose to get dumb voters to vote that way and then when the tables are completely turned the results are zero. If this group wants to talk a big game it is time to deliver and let the chips fall where they will.

You guys want a story? This victim, now deceased, named several names. None were Trump but one was former Democratic politician Bill Richardson. Homie died two years ago, at 75, and hus family didn't release details. Claimed he "died peacefully in his sleep."  Often, when a family withholds details of a death, it's and overdose or suicide. Do you think homie offed himself out of guilt for his crimes. His death barely made the news. Funny how that works.

Why didn't Democrats go after Bill Richardson. Or that other Bill, Bill....Clinton? They were named by victims. Trump never was. Now Democrats act like there is new revelations. This woman, the deceased, was literally featured in a Netflix documentary my wifevabd I watched during covid. I guess Democrats didn't watch that one, or read the countless articles and interviews about/with the departed.

You guys want a story? This victim, now deceased, named several names. None were Trump but one was former Democratic politician Bill Richardson. Homie died two years ago, at 75, and hus family didn't release details. Claimed he "died peacefully in his sleep."  Often, when a family withholds details of a death, it's and overdose or suicide. Do you think homie offed himself out of guilt for his crimes. His death barely made the news. Funny how that works.

Why didn't Democrats go after Bill Richardson. Or that other Bill, Bill....Clinton? They were named by victims. Trump never was. Now Democrats act like there is new revelations. This woman, the deceased, was literally featured in a Netflix documentary my wifevabd I watched during covid. I guess Democrats didn't watch that one, or read the countless articles and interviews about/with the departed.

Ok DEMS DEMS DEMS, got that in spades, it is your turn you have the guy in office you have the numbers in congress so there is no excuse or blame shifting to lean back on just get the job done and do what was campaigned and tooted about already.

Who said any members in congress are my guys? It's funny how you assign sides to people, whole belief systems, based on your own personal whim, and say things like "your side", "your team", whatever you're using in that moment, and then get offended by the term Democrats, written properly and capitalized. I never simply write "Dems" because it comes off as offensive.