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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2013 - 10:07 PM ET #51

    So someone as accomplished with a bolt action rifle like Sgt. Snoxall could have shoot all 20 students and the six adults once and 12 of them twice in just 60 seconds...
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    So someone as accomplished with a bolt action rifle like Sgt. Snoxall could have shoot all 20 students and the six adults once and 12 of them twice in just 60 seconds...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2013 - 11:17 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    A ban on Semi autos completely eviscerates the 2nd amendment.

    If a law like this were passed it would need to be an Amendment.  I would also say that law enforcement and domestic military groups would have to also adhere, and if military did not, then there should also be exemptions for militias.



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 

    And I honestly feel that it is more than enough to defend yourself from a bad guy breaking in to your house..

    A pump action shotgun, bolt action rifle, a revolver and any other single action firearm is more than enough firepower to protect yourself and your family from an assailant..

    If you cannot subdue a criminal with an 8 round shotgun or a 6 shot revolver etc... than you should not own a firearm, as you most likely do not have the training and adequate knowledge of handling any gun.. 

    It's that simple, honestly I would like to see what would happen to crime rates if the TRANSFER of all semi-automatic firearms were banned.

    And the only way to purchase one would be through using a special permit and/or license..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    A ban on Semi autos completely eviscerates the 2nd amendment.

    If a law like this were passed it would need to be an Amendment.  I would also say that law enforcement and domestic military groups would have to also adhere, and if military did not, then there should also be exemptions for militias.



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 

    And I honestly feel that it is more than enough to defend yourself from a bad guy breaking in to your house..

    A pump action shotgun, bolt action rifle, a revolver and any other single action firearm is more than enough firepower to protect yourself and your family from an assailant..

    If you cannot subdue a criminal with an 8 round shotgun or a 6 shot revolver etc... than you should not own a firearm, as you most likely do not have the training and adequate knowledge of handling any gun.. 

    It's that simple, honestly I would like to see what would happen to crime rates if the TRANSFER of all semi-automatic firearms were banned.

    And the only way to purchase one would be through using a special permit and/or license..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 6:45 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Now here is another example of a difference of opinion and you being unable to deal with that..in the very post above #45, where you take great offense at someone having a different opinion, you pull the same tired routine you always do..

    Its quite boring seeing you try to toss anger and offensive attacking on such a subjective topic.


    Post #45 is not an example of "anger" or "offensive attacking" 

    I was trying to communicate something to you about my viewpoint. You are obviously not interested in listening. You're more interested in bashing me. Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Now here is another example of a difference of opinion and you being unable to deal with that..in the very post above #45, where you take great offense at someone having a different opinion, you pull the same tired routine you always do..

    Its quite boring seeing you try to toss anger and offensive attacking on such a subjective topic.


    Post #45 is not an example of "anger" or "offensive attacking" 

    I was trying to communicate something to you about my viewpoint. You are obviously not interested in listening. You're more interested in bashing me. Obviously.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 6:51 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 


    Those judges were over-ruled. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 


    Those judges were over-ruled. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 6:57 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

     

    Thread closed,,,,,

    Let the lawyers make their case, and the jurors decide the verdict, we don't need a pathetic peanut gallery attempting to speculate about something for days on end... 

    Some of you low-lifes need to get laid, (sara, SLIT, 14truckdriver, danrules, canov) sheeeeeeiiiiiit 

    Is this an attack Wallstreet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

     

    Thread closed,,,,,

    Let the lawyers make their case, and the jurors decide the verdict, we don't need a pathetic peanut gallery attempting to speculate about something for days on end... 

    Some of you low-lifes need to get laid, (sara, SLIT, 14truckdriver, danrules, canov) sheeeeeeiiiiiit 

    Is this an attack Wallstreet?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 6:58 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

     

    I knew you were referring to him and that's fuc ked up either way.. man..

    I mean 14road, canov, saraslim, etc.. are all low life losers, but I would never wish death upon them... Even that alias danrules gets it...

    60% of Americans don't own firearms so thats a majority....

    Is that an attack, Wallstreet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

     

    I knew you were referring to him and that's fuc ked up either way.. man..

    I mean 14road, canov, saraslim, etc.. are all low life losers, but I would never wish death upon them... Even that alias danrules gets it...

    60% of Americans don't own firearms so thats a majority....

    Is that an attack, Wallstreet?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 8:57 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 

    And I honestly feel that it is more than enough to defend yourself from a bad guy breaking in to your house..

    A pump action shotgun, bolt action rifle, a revolver and any other single action firearm is more than enough firepower to protect yourself and your family from an assailant..

    If you cannot subdue a criminal with an 8 round shotgun or a 6 shot revolver etc... than you should not own a firearm, as you most likely do not have the training and adequate knowledge of handling any gun.. 

    It's that simple, honestly I would like to see what would happen to crime rates if the TRANSFER of all semi-automatic firearms were banned.

    And the only way to purchase one would be through using a special permit and/or license..

     

    At the time the Constitution was written the 2nd amendment was added in response to the tyranny that the states feared from the federal government.  The right to arms was important to them for fear that they were changing one tyranny under the King George III for a much closer tyranny Under the new rulers of the United States.

    The Constitution would not have been passed without an Amendment ensuring this. 

    We would not have the country as we know it today if that right had not been granted at the formation of this country. 

     

    The 2nd amendment was not written for self defense or hunting. The 2nd amendment was written as a final check on government, and an insurance policy on their "right to revolt" which is clearly defined and outlined in the Declaration of Independence. 

     

    It may be outdated, that is not what we are talking about here, we are talking about undermining the constitution, point blank.

    I believe the Federal Judges are wrong, and there is a lot of historical evidence for them not being infallible.  In many cases they just express the political opinions of those that appoint them. 

    I think it is reasonable to add restrictions to the 2nd amendment, but short of taking someone's rights through due process of law, or mental adjudication, there needs to be an amendment to the Constitution,

    I don't see why that is such a hard concept.  If you want to change the Constitution and it's meaning, or update it to "modern times" then it should take form in an amendment. 

     

    Just as the 4th amendment needs to be amended to say that you have no reasonable expectation to your rights to privacy when your papers and effects are digital. 

    You could also amend the 5th to say that you have no right to a trial if the president "or any un-named high ranking official" thinks that you may have at some point aided or associated with terrorists, and may be killed accordingly. 

     

    Do you see how we could get rid of most of the awful laws and rules that have sprouted up in our country if we enshrined them in the constitution? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    But it doesn't according to DC district courts...

    3 federal judges, ruled 2-1 that banning semi-automatic firearms is a reasonable restriction, as I have said over and over.. 

    And I honestly feel that it is more than enough to defend yourself from a bad guy breaking in to your house..

    A pump action shotgun, bolt action rifle, a revolver and any other single action firearm is more than enough firepower to protect yourself and your family from an assailant..

    If you cannot subdue a criminal with an 8 round shotgun or a 6 shot revolver etc... than you should not own a firearm, as you most likely do not have the training and adequate knowledge of handling any gun.. 

    It's that simple, honestly I would like to see what would happen to crime rates if the TRANSFER of all semi-automatic firearms were banned.

    And the only way to purchase one would be through using a special permit and/or license..

     

    At the time the Constitution was written the 2nd amendment was added in response to the tyranny that the states feared from the federal government.  The right to arms was important to them for fear that they were changing one tyranny under the King George III for a much closer tyranny Under the new rulers of the United States.

    The Constitution would not have been passed without an Amendment ensuring this. 

    We would not have the country as we know it today if that right had not been granted at the formation of this country. 

     

    The 2nd amendment was not written for self defense or hunting. The 2nd amendment was written as a final check on government, and an insurance policy on their "right to revolt" which is clearly defined and outlined in the Declaration of Independence. 

     

    It may be outdated, that is not what we are talking about here, we are talking about undermining the constitution, point blank.

    I believe the Federal Judges are wrong, and there is a lot of historical evidence for them not being infallible.  In many cases they just express the political opinions of those that appoint them. 

    I think it is reasonable to add restrictions to the 2nd amendment, but short of taking someone's rights through due process of law, or mental adjudication, there needs to be an amendment to the Constitution,

    I don't see why that is such a hard concept.  If you want to change the Constitution and it's meaning, or update it to "modern times" then it should take form in an amendment. 

     

    Just as the 4th amendment needs to be amended to say that you have no reasonable expectation to your rights to privacy when your papers and effects are digital. 

    You could also amend the 5th to say that you have no right to a trial if the president "or any un-named high ranking official" thinks that you may have at some point aided or associated with terrorists, and may be killed accordingly. 

     

    Do you see how we could get rid of most of the awful laws and rules that have sprouted up in our country if we enshrined them in the constitution? 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 4:31 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Is that an attack, Wallstreet?


    Yep..

    So was what you said in post 45.

    You are one of the worst offenders in this forum 14, so should we have tight boundaries and box every time something happens?

    Both of you have been boxed for this several times and it is quite juvenile..that tossing insults and talking down to others somehow proves points and makes what someone else said invalid.

    Your post in 45 is exactly how you go about debating..you try and trash someone elses opinion and if someone posts a link or reference you try and tear down the source..it is a totally weak way to debate and makes you look quite immature. What you have to say is fact and what someone else has to say is "You want to argue that things which are true are not true, and are somehow mere opinions.".


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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Is that an attack, Wallstreet?


    Yep..

    So was what you said in post 45.

    You are one of the worst offenders in this forum 14, so should we have tight boundaries and box every time something happens?

    Both of you have been boxed for this several times and it is quite juvenile..that tossing insults and talking down to others somehow proves points and makes what someone else said invalid.

    Your post in 45 is exactly how you go about debating..you try and trash someone elses opinion and if someone posts a link or reference you try and tear down the source..it is a totally weak way to debate and makes you look quite immature. What you have to say is fact and what someone else has to say is "You want to argue that things which are true are not true, and are somehow mere opinions.".


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 4:39 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Yep..

    So was what you said in post 45.



    No it wasn't.


    You can't even accept comments I'm making to you in good faith.

    Keep bashing me, it makes you look real mature and objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Yep..

    So was what you said in post 45.



    No it wasn't.


    You can't even accept comments I'm making to you in good faith.

    Keep bashing me, it makes you look real mature and objective.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 4:39 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Your post in 45 is exactly how you go about debating..you try and trash someone elses opinion and if someone posts a link or reference you try and tear down the source..


    No it isn't, and no I don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Your post in 45 is exactly how you go about debating..you try and trash someone elses opinion and if someone posts a link or reference you try and tear down the source..


    No it isn't, and no I don't.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 8:02 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    No it wasn't.


    You can't even accept comments I'm making to you in good faith.

    Keep bashing me, it makes you look real mature and objective.



    All you are doing is proving what I already know. Anyone who questions or disagrees with you will be treated the same..you are quite consistent and you just dont see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    No it wasn't.


    You can't even accept comments I'm making to you in good faith.

    Keep bashing me, it makes you look real mature and objective.



    All you are doing is proving what I already know. Anyone who questions or disagrees with you will be treated the same..you are quite consistent and you just dont see it.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Several posts in this thread..when someone expresses an opinion, you attack the person rather than expressing disagreement. It isnt tough to see what I am talking about, it is done in several posts in this very thread and is a huge part of your posting history here.

    I know you get mad and take things personally, but there is no need to be confrontational when someone disagrees or points out a contrary opinion or belief to yours.

    Asking someone a specific question is not an attack. 

    This thread is a supreme example of your harassment of a fellow member just because he disagrees with you on most issues. For the life of me I don't know why you hovered over him with an eagle eye yet let one of your buddies get away scott-free with FAR WORSE.

    This harassment has essentially and eventually chased a quality poster away from these good forums. 

    Please go ahead and reread this thread and tell us again that you weren't guilty of the harassment in this thread and others.

    After that, you still don't have any idea why you continually get accused of being biased with the mod prod.
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    Several posts in this thread..when someone expresses an opinion, you attack the person rather than expressing disagreement. It isnt tough to see what I am talking about, it is done in several posts in this very thread and is a huge part of your posting history here.

    I know you get mad and take things personally, but there is no need to be confrontational when someone disagrees or points out a contrary opinion or belief to yours.

    Asking someone a specific question is not an attack. 

    This thread is a supreme example of your harassment of a fellow member just because he disagrees with you on most issues. For the life of me I don't know why you hovered over him with an eagle eye yet let one of your buddies get away scott-free with FAR WORSE.

    This harassment has essentially and eventually chased a quality poster away from these good forums. 

    Please go ahead and reread this thread and tell us again that you weren't guilty of the harassment in this thread and others.

    After that, you still don't have any idea why you continually get accused of being biased with the mod prod.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2015 - 11:53 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Asking someone a specific question is not an attack. 

    This thread is a supreme example of your harassment of a fellow member just because he disagrees with you on most issues. For the life of me I don't know why you hovered over him with an eagle eye yet let one of your buddies get away scott-free with FAR WORSE.

    This harassment has essentially and eventually chased a quality poster away from these good forums. 

    Please go ahead and reread this thread and tell us again that you weren't guilty of the harassment in this thread and others.

    After that, you still don't have any idea why you continually get accused of being biased with the mod prod.

    Oh I am game....never backed down to your whining before and I wont start now. You must have spent a nice amount of your evening looking for this two year old thread...and yet you fail again to prove anything.

    Who started the fight in this thread? I found it very quickly and 14 is famous for doing this...coming in and taking a shot at someone. He did not like the topic and the opinion so in post 3 he takes a shot at Stiln. Prior to that the thread was nothing more than an opinion the OP had and 14 had to start at it again.

    You fail to acknowledge something very important...14 had a major history of doing exactly what you did in this post, what ken is doing with his posts...coming at someone and making personal jabs instead of sticking to the subject and debating the topic.

    Both of these two were boxed several times, I think once or twice it was simultaneous for breaking the rules. If anything 14 was given much more rope than anyone else with the attacking he did, in fact we allow so much more to go on in this area of the site than ANYWHERE outside the penalty box. If this sort of attacking and combative stuff went on in the mains, many of you would be gone long ago...

    Spare me the repub/dem crying, and when you are trying to pin someone you either have to do it so well there is no way to rebut the pin, or come in and acknowledge everything and not be so blatantly biased and look foolish like you did here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Asking someone a specific question is not an attack. 

    This thread is a supreme example of your harassment of a fellow member just because he disagrees with you on most issues. For the life of me I don't know why you hovered over him with an eagle eye yet let one of your buddies get away scott-free with FAR WORSE.

    This harassment has essentially and eventually chased a quality poster away from these good forums. 

    Please go ahead and reread this thread and tell us again that you weren't guilty of the harassment in this thread and others.

    After that, you still don't have any idea why you continually get accused of being biased with the mod prod.

    Oh I am game....never backed down to your whining before and I wont start now. You must have spent a nice amount of your evening looking for this two year old thread...and yet you fail again to prove anything.

    Who started the fight in this thread? I found it very quickly and 14 is famous for doing this...coming in and taking a shot at someone. He did not like the topic and the opinion so in post 3 he takes a shot at Stiln. Prior to that the thread was nothing more than an opinion the OP had and 14 had to start at it again.

    You fail to acknowledge something very important...14 had a major history of doing exactly what you did in this post, what ken is doing with his posts...coming at someone and making personal jabs instead of sticking to the subject and debating the topic.

    Both of these two were boxed several times, I think once or twice it was simultaneous for breaking the rules. If anything 14 was given much more rope than anyone else with the attacking he did, in fact we allow so much more to go on in this area of the site than ANYWHERE outside the penalty box. If this sort of attacking and combative stuff went on in the mains, many of you would be gone long ago...

    Spare me the repub/dem crying, and when you are trying to pin someone you either have to do it so well there is no way to rebut the pin, or come in and acknowledge everything and not be so blatantly biased and look foolish like you did here.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2015 - 12:53 AM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Oh brother, the audacity that you have to bring up an exception to the rule with that scenario really shows your incapacity and unscholarliness. 

    I am not shocked though..

    BTW, the staple child for the NRA in a thread not too far from this one, a woman (bear in mind) used a .38 revolver to fend off a criminal with more than enough stopping power..

    What are you going to tell me next that a 9mm, .38, .357, .22 all do not not have a enough stopping power, that every citizen needs to purchase a .45...  Just shut up

    The above quote is far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you chose to harass 14 and ignore this. 

    This was not the exception, you harassed 14 like this in many of his discussions.

    Spin it however you like but we know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Oh brother, the audacity that you have to bring up an exception to the rule with that scenario really shows your incapacity and unscholarliness. 

    I am not shocked though..

    BTW, the staple child for the NRA in a thread not too far from this one, a woman (bear in mind) used a .38 revolver to fend off a criminal with more than enough stopping power..

    What are you going to tell me next that a 9mm, .38, .357, .22 all do not not have a enough stopping power, that every citizen needs to purchase a .45...  Just shut up

    The above quote is far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you chose to harass 14 and ignore this. 

    This was not the exception, you harassed 14 like this in many of his discussions.

    Spin it however you like but we know better.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2015 - 9:03 AM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    The above quote is far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you chose to harass 14 and ignore this. 

    This was not the exception, you harassed 14 like this in many of his discussions.

    Spin it however you like but we know better.

    I disagree..

    Saying "just shut up" in the middle of a heated conversation is no better or worse than insulting someones intelligence at the beginning of an innocent post.

    You wont find as much sympathy for your weak attempts to make a point when the poster in question started it initially.

    Gotta think a bit more and come with something stronger fella....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    The above quote is far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you chose to harass 14 and ignore this. 

    This was not the exception, you harassed 14 like this in many of his discussions.

    Spin it however you like but we know better.

    I disagree..

    Saying "just shut up" in the middle of a heated conversation is no better or worse than insulting someones intelligence at the beginning of an innocent post.

    You wont find as much sympathy for your weak attempts to make a point when the poster in question started it initially.

    Gotta think a bit more and come with something stronger fella....
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2015 - 9:58 AM ET #66

    Amazing how you missed the bash in the first sentence that I was referring to. That was far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you felt the need to watch him with your eagle eye. 

    If 14 did post something worse could you please be so kind as to quote it and show what it was exactly?

    Isn't telling someone to shut up akin to starting shlt?
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    Amazing how you missed the bash in the first sentence that I was referring to. That was far worse than anything 14 did in this thread yet you felt the need to watch him with your eagle eye. 

    If 14 did post something worse could you please be so kind as to quote it and show what it was exactly?

    Isn't telling someone to shut up akin to starting shlt?
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2015 - 12:22 PM ET #67

    Its amazing how you bump threads 2 years old you


    You are such a fu cking loser
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    Its amazing how you bump threads 2 years old you


    You are such a fu cking loser
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2015 - 3:44 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    Its amazing how you bump threads 2 years old you


    You are such a fu cking loser


    Are you a Nazi now? Trying to sensor me?

    Why do you care if I bump a thread or two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    Its amazing how you bump threads 2 years old you


    You are such a fu cking loser


    Are you a Nazi now? Trying to sensor me?

    Why do you care if I bump a thread or two?
     
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     right off the bat (well, other than the 2 year hiatus) Stiln comes with an insult.  I guess it's jus a matter of time before Super Mod #99 reprimands him.  Be careful Stiln, WSC is not to be messed with!!!
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     right off the bat (well, other than the 2 year hiatus) Stiln comes with an insult.  I guess it's jus a matter of time before Super Mod #99 reprimands him.  Be careful Stiln, WSC is not to be messed with!!!
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighScore:

     right off the bat (well, other than the 2 year hiatus) Stiln comes with an insult.  I guess it's jus a matter of time before Super Mod #99 reprimands him.  Be careful Stiln, WSC is not to be messed with!!!


    I must have deserved it and had it coming.

    Oh...crap. I forgot WSC wants to ban sarcasm.

    I think he would make a great policeman in Mexico.


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     right off the bat (well, other than the 2 year hiatus) Stiln comes with an insult.  I guess it's jus a matter of time before Super Mod #99 reprimands him.  Be careful Stiln, WSC is not to be messed with!!!


    I must have deserved it and had it coming.

    Oh...crap. I forgot WSC wants to ban sarcasm.

    I think he would make a great policeman in Mexico.


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