How about threaten Apple and other tech companies that export production, import the finished products duty free and scalp the labor savings off the back of the US worker?
Import rules should be consistent..if the product is produced/manufactured over a certain percent (I'd suggest 25% and more) outside the US then it is hit with the same tariffs that foreign companies pay.
You and I scream until we are blue in the face on this issue.
Its insane to me.
A company can be incorporated in the US, where its executives have the luxury of living here.
Its plants can all be in Mexico, Honduras, etc.
It can manufacture all of its items at almost no cost, sell them in the US because they are not "imported" and drive out true American shops with American made products.
And neither party cares.
I'm all for Trump's idea, except to say I'm probably not comfortable with a sociopath having the ability to tax whom he wants.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Sounds good..
How about threaten Apple and other tech companies that export production, import the finished products duty free and scalp the labor savings off the back of the US worker?
Import rules should be consistent..if the product is produced/manufactured over a certain percent (I'd suggest 25% and more) outside the US then it is hit with the same tariffs that foreign companies pay.
You and I scream until we are blue in the face on this issue.
Its insane to me.
A company can be incorporated in the US, where its executives have the luxury of living here.
Its plants can all be in Mexico, Honduras, etc.
It can manufacture all of its items at almost no cost, sell them in the US because they are not "imported" and drive out true American shops with American made products.
And neither party cares.
I'm all for Trump's idea, except to say I'm probably not comfortable with a sociopath having the ability to tax whom he wants.
All of us should realize that we live in a Global economy.
US workers no longer see having jobs is a privilege. Mexican workers see it the right way.
It's too bad that it will take a huge depression to set the mindset of the US worker right.
Bad thinking..
Cheap goods from foreign labor that weakens the middle class is severely narrow minded short term thinking.
So yeah we can get a cheaper Ipad and tv but then the strength of our working force has been neutered and the future of the same working class is going to be very very bad..
What we are doing by allow this is stripping the lower and middle classes of savings power...so people are consumers NOW which fuels corporations and LATER when they have no savings or assets who will they turn to for assistance? The government which has a SS program underfunded and no plans for how to handle the massive problem.
If people cannot save because jobs do not pay, what happens longer term?
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
All of us should realize that we live in a Global economy.
US workers no longer see having jobs is a privilege. Mexican workers see it the right way.
It's too bad that it will take a huge depression to set the mindset of the US worker right.
Bad thinking..
Cheap goods from foreign labor that weakens the middle class is severely narrow minded short term thinking.
So yeah we can get a cheaper Ipad and tv but then the strength of our working force has been neutered and the future of the same working class is going to be very very bad..
What we are doing by allow this is stripping the lower and middle classes of savings power...so people are consumers NOW which fuels corporations and LATER when they have no savings or assets who will they turn to for assistance? The government which has a SS program underfunded and no plans for how to handle the massive problem.
If people cannot save because jobs do not pay, what happens longer term?
Trump has not yet filed formal paperwork regarding his candidacy or finances...with the Federal Election Commission.
But, it did not stop him from braking Ronald Reagans 11th commandment : "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Trump knocked Republican challenger Jeb Bush by name for supporting Common Core and immigration reform, saying, "How the hell can you vote for this guy?
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Trump has not yet filed formal paperwork regarding his candidacy or finances...with the Federal Election Commission.
But, it did not stop him from braking Ronald Reagans 11th commandment : "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Trump knocked Republican challenger Jeb Bush by name for supporting Common Core and immigration reform, saying, "How the hell can you vote for this guy?
The simplistic view from the right wing is to solely blame the workers. The simplistic view from the left wing is to solely blame the corporations.
Why am I not surprised you chose the former.
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
The simplistic view from the right wing is to solely blame the workers. The simplistic view from the left wing is to solely blame the corporations.
Why am I not surprised you chose the former.
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
The traditional middle-class in America is lost and it is not coming back..it's been declining since the 60's when it was over 50% of the population ...now it stands at 43% and shrinking fast..
....and when someone like Hillary Clinton, who reportedly made over $100 million along with her husband fmr. President Bill Clinton since leaving the White House,can say that she didn’t consider her family as being "truly well-off". You know the country's in trouble..
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The traditional middle-class in America is lost and it is not coming back..it's been declining since the 60's when it was over 50% of the population ...now it stands at 43% and shrinking fast..
....and when someone like Hillary Clinton, who reportedly made over $100 million along with her husband fmr. President Bill Clinton since leaving the White House,can say that she didn’t consider her family as being "truly well-off". You know the country's in trouble..
Cheap goods from foreign labor that weakens the middle class is severely narrow minded short term thinking.
So yeah we can get a cheaper Ipad and tv but then the strength of our working force has been neutered and the future of the same working class is going to be very very bad..
What we are doing by allow this is stripping the lower and middle classes of savings power...so people are consumers NOW which fuels corporations and LATER when they have no savings or assets who will they turn to for assistance? The government which has a SS program underfunded and no plans for how to handle the massive problem.
If people cannot save because jobs do not pay, what happens longer term?
Actually, what you speak of is light years more short term than anything I've suggested.
You really think that simply raising wages to fill the gap is the panacea?
Is there no point where raising wages is not possible?
What happens when you've raised wages for a Big Mac to the point that McDonald's has to charge 12 dollars for each burger to compensate?
Do you think consumers will approve and continue purchasing?
Since the obvious answer is no, what happens to the labor force at that McDonald's when the demand for products shrinks?
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Bad thinking..
Cheap goods from foreign labor that weakens the middle class is severely narrow minded short term thinking.
So yeah we can get a cheaper Ipad and tv but then the strength of our working force has been neutered and the future of the same working class is going to be very very bad..
What we are doing by allow this is stripping the lower and middle classes of savings power...so people are consumers NOW which fuels corporations and LATER when they have no savings or assets who will they turn to for assistance? The government which has a SS program underfunded and no plans for how to handle the massive problem.
If people cannot save because jobs do not pay, what happens longer term?
Actually, what you speak of is light years more short term than anything I've suggested.
You really think that simply raising wages to fill the gap is the panacea?
Is there no point where raising wages is not possible?
What happens when you've raised wages for a Big Mac to the point that McDonald's has to charge 12 dollars for each burger to compensate?
Do you think consumers will approve and continue purchasing?
Since the obvious answer is no, what happens to the labor force at that McDonald's when the demand for products shrinks?
yes donald trump is for real he has more than supassed the 100 million to blanket networks from iwao nh south carolina and unto california the established gop met the match the tea party activist with the ability to match koch brothers 10-1 in just his own net worth He has the total package outspoken, money and a celebrity brand. trump is a legit contender for the republican nomination with the nononsense approach conservatives have been screaming for he can utilize the blue collar union the avg working man and he is now said I dont like any of em why im running. if he continues to iowa in january. im campaigning for him. anyone but hillary camp here. and this man is least lothesome republican i can find.
yes donald trump is for real he has more than supassed the 100 million to blanket networks from iwao nh south carolina and unto california the established gop met the match the tea party activist with the ability to match koch brothers 10-1 in just his own net worth He has the total package outspoken, money and a celebrity brand. trump is a legit contender for the republican nomination with the nononsense approach conservatives have been screaming for he can utilize the blue collar union the avg working man and he is now said I dont like any of em why im running. if he continues to iowa in january. im campaigning for him. anyone but hillary camp here. and this man is least lothesome republican i can find.
I didnt mention McDonalds once..I dont consider McDonalds an exporter of middle class labor. I only mentioned our corporate economic policies of allowing middle class labor exportation and the re-importing of finished goods with no tariff.
Middle class jobs are not service jobs like McDonalds..middle class jobs are what we have lost most over the last two decades, while corporations are enjoying their greatest profitability ever.
I dont care if Apple exports their labor, as long as they do so to a location that meets our labor standards. If they can find cheaper labor using resources that meets US standards for labor practices then good for them...but as they are exporting production, they meet the same import tariffs that other foreign companies face.
I also said as middle class jobs are leaving, the savings for the middle class is going down and that means the future for aging workers will be very very bad...who will fill the gap for our aging population when savings rates are gone and people lack the necessities of life from savings? Will corporations donate their wage savings profits to keep the retired US worker afloat?
The cost of our cheap throw away electronics and wares is at the expense of our future..so be prepared for a much larger government and greater taxation unless the savings rates go up and interest rates go up...
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bowls,
I didnt mention McDonalds once..I dont consider McDonalds an exporter of middle class labor. I only mentioned our corporate economic policies of allowing middle class labor exportation and the re-importing of finished goods with no tariff.
Middle class jobs are not service jobs like McDonalds..middle class jobs are what we have lost most over the last two decades, while corporations are enjoying their greatest profitability ever.
I dont care if Apple exports their labor, as long as they do so to a location that meets our labor standards. If they can find cheaper labor using resources that meets US standards for labor practices then good for them...but as they are exporting production, they meet the same import tariffs that other foreign companies face.
I also said as middle class jobs are leaving, the savings for the middle class is going down and that means the future for aging workers will be very very bad...who will fill the gap for our aging population when savings rates are gone and people lack the necessities of life from savings? Will corporations donate their wage savings profits to keep the retired US worker afloat?
The cost of our cheap throw away electronics and wares is at the expense of our future..so be prepared for a much larger government and greater taxation unless the savings rates go up and interest rates go up...
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
Not bad, but you are missing the other point on this.
Consumers are also purchasing multiple low cost items (TV's for example) heavily contributes to some of the problem. Every other country I have ever visited laughs at the idea of a household having multiple TVs, computers, etc. and so many of these purchases do almost nothing for the US economy. In that sense, the consumer is contributing.
The flip side of this is that learning is so internet based these days, that each child in a household needs an internet accessible device.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
Not bad, but you are missing the other point on this.
Consumers are also purchasing multiple low cost items (TV's for example) heavily contributes to some of the problem. Every other country I have ever visited laughs at the idea of a household having multiple TVs, computers, etc. and so many of these purchases do almost nothing for the US economy. In that sense, the consumer is contributing.
The flip side of this is that learning is so internet based these days, that each child in a household needs an internet accessible device.
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
It's just too simplistic. Take China for example(where cash still rules and credit is minimal relatively), wages have gone up and a lot of companies have moved their production to places like, Laos, Vietnam where the labor is even cheaper. It's just a natural progression.
The last paragraph simply defies logic and human nature. All corporations care the most is the bottom line(call it greed, Capitalism or whatever you want), so why would they rather make less, especially when they can pay the lawmakers to write laws as stated by dj and wall?
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Who said I was finished laying out the blame? Not me.
Consumers who foolishly took advantage of low cost credit and acquired a great deal of debt to purcase non essentials which led to a need to make more just to make ends meet.
This activity raised the cost of essentials to the point that higher wages were necessary to avoid massive economic turmoil.
I'm quite sure that Ford or most corps would prefer to operate entirely in the US to sell goods intended for the US market if all aspects were reasonable.
It's just too simplistic. Take China for example(where cash still rules and credit is minimal relatively), wages have gone up and a lot of companies have moved their production to places like, Laos, Vietnam where the labor is even cheaper. It's just a natural progression.
The last paragraph simply defies logic and human nature. All corporations care the most is the bottom line(call it greed, Capitalism or whatever you want), so why would they rather make less, especially when they can pay the lawmakers to write laws as stated by dj and wall?
It's just too simplistic. Take China for example(where cash still rules and credit is minimal relatively), wages have gone up and a lot of companies have moved their production to places like, Laos, Vietnam where the labor is even cheaper. It's just a natural progression.
The last paragraph simply defies logic and human nature. All corporations care the most is the bottom line(call it greed, Capitalism or whatever you want), so why would they rather make less, especially when they can pay the lawmakers to write laws as stated by dj and wall?
For one thing, transportation is not free. It costs more to ship the same product from a longer distance.
What advantages do companies like Ford realize from opening shops in Mexico?
Labor
Red tape
Unreasonable taxes
There are states that offer up to ten years tax free.
Mexico doesn't come without it's own stability/security problems so that means Ford is assuming some risk to save labor costs and avoid some red tape.
I've spoken a lot about the steel plant that used to pretty much employ the whole valley that I live in.
When they closed the doors for the final time they tore the plant down piece by piece and rebuilt it over in China. At the time, Japan could ship their steel across the street from the plant and sell it cheaper.
Labor and red tape was the major reasons they couldn't make the numbers work to compete against foreign competitors and some domestic.
Do you think it cost a pretty penny to ship the entire plant over there and rebuild?
Were they thinking short or long term?
I guarantee you that raising wages is not the answer.
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Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:
It's just too simplistic. Take China for example(where cash still rules and credit is minimal relatively), wages have gone up and a lot of companies have moved their production to places like, Laos, Vietnam where the labor is even cheaper. It's just a natural progression.
The last paragraph simply defies logic and human nature. All corporations care the most is the bottom line(call it greed, Capitalism or whatever you want), so why would they rather make less, especially when they can pay the lawmakers to write laws as stated by dj and wall?
For one thing, transportation is not free. It costs more to ship the same product from a longer distance.
What advantages do companies like Ford realize from opening shops in Mexico?
Labor
Red tape
Unreasonable taxes
There are states that offer up to ten years tax free.
Mexico doesn't come without it's own stability/security problems so that means Ford is assuming some risk to save labor costs and avoid some red tape.
I've spoken a lot about the steel plant that used to pretty much employ the whole valley that I live in.
When they closed the doors for the final time they tore the plant down piece by piece and rebuilt it over in China. At the time, Japan could ship their steel across the street from the plant and sell it cheaper.
Labor and red tape was the major reasons they couldn't make the numbers work to compete against foreign competitors and some domestic.
Do you think it cost a pretty penny to ship the entire plant over there and rebuild?
Were they thinking short or long term?
I guarantee you that raising wages is not the answer.
It does cost money, except we pay. Everything those companies tear down a factory and rebuild, it is an "improvement" write off. Similar to when a drugstore takes over another drugstore site, renovates, and rebuilds. It is beyond ludicrous.
We pay companies to abandon jobs here, tear down factories, and send them overseas. Ross Perot predicted this years ago.
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Well.....
It does cost money, except we pay. Everything those companies tear down a factory and rebuild, it is an "improvement" write off. Similar to when a drugstore takes over another drugstore site, renovates, and rebuilds. It is beyond ludicrous.
We pay companies to abandon jobs here, tear down factories, and send them overseas. Ross Perot predicted this years ago.
For one thing, transportation is not free. It costs more to ship the same product from a longer distance.
What advantages do companies like Ford realize from opening shops in Mexico?
Labor
Red tape
Unreasonable taxes
There are states that offer up to ten years tax free.
Mexico doesn't come without it's own stability/security problems so that means Ford is assuming some risk to save labor costs and avoid some red tape.
I've spoken a lot about the steel plant that used to pretty much employ the whole valley that I live in.
When they closed the doors for the final time they tore the plant down piece by piece and rebuilt it over in China. At the time, Japan could ship their steel across the street from the plant and sell it cheaper.
Labor and red tape was the major reasons they couldn't make the numbers work to compete against foreign competitors and some domestic.
Do you think it cost a pretty penny to ship the entire plant over there and rebuild?
Were they thinking short or long term?
I guarantee you that raising wages is not the answer.
No, I am not suggesting raising wages IS the answer, I simply won't put all the blame on that alone.
What's the reasonable tax-rate? A few countries offer 0% so I guess anything above that could be considered un-reasonable.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
For one thing, transportation is not free. It costs more to ship the same product from a longer distance.
What advantages do companies like Ford realize from opening shops in Mexico?
Labor
Red tape
Unreasonable taxes
There are states that offer up to ten years tax free.
Mexico doesn't come without it's own stability/security problems so that means Ford is assuming some risk to save labor costs and avoid some red tape.
I've spoken a lot about the steel plant that used to pretty much employ the whole valley that I live in.
When they closed the doors for the final time they tore the plant down piece by piece and rebuilt it over in China. At the time, Japan could ship their steel across the street from the plant and sell it cheaper.
Labor and red tape was the major reasons they couldn't make the numbers work to compete against foreign competitors and some domestic.
Do you think it cost a pretty penny to ship the entire plant over there and rebuild?
Were they thinking short or long term?
I guarantee you that raising wages is not the answer.
No, I am not suggesting raising wages IS the answer, I simply won't put all the blame on that alone.
What's the reasonable tax-rate? A few countries offer 0% so I guess anything above that could be considered un-reasonable.
Transportation is not free but why do you think Walmart and a lot of companies made in China or other places?
How much is a reasonable wage for low-skilled workers? How bout $5.00/hr which is much lower than the current min. wage? Guess what? We still wouldn't be able to compete with many countries out there. Obviously, it varies from industry to industry, but to blanket them all with the same reasons just isn't fair or the truth.
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Transportation is not free but why do you think Walmart and a lot of companies made in China or other places?
How much is a reasonable wage for low-skilled workers? How bout $5.00/hr which is much lower than the current min. wage? Guess what? We still wouldn't be able to compete with many countries out there. Obviously, it varies from industry to industry, but to blanket them all with the same reasons just isn't fair or the truth.
I'm not going to change anyones mind here but I absolutely believe that too many American workers feel entitled to have good jobs. The union mentality was a major influence in my opinion on many jobs going overseas.
Way too many people spend money they don't have on non essentials and put themselves in a position that they need a high salary just to get by.
We should be putting our energy into lowering the cost for essentials rather than putting unsustainable costs on labor...especially ones that add little or no value.
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I'm not going to change anyones mind here but I absolutely believe that too many American workers feel entitled to have good jobs. The union mentality was a major influence in my opinion on many jobs going overseas.
Way too many people spend money they don't have on non essentials and put themselves in a position that they need a high salary just to get by.
We should be putting our energy into lowering the cost for essentials rather than putting unsustainable costs on labor...especially ones that add little or no value.
The plan was to ship jobs to desired areas of the world, mexico latin america, china vietnam, brazil india. this was done through bill clintons administration in forms of tax credits. the super secret ones at the end of a 1040 long form like earned income credit and give possibilities to recieve more money back than given in to the tune of 100 billion. the goal was to strengthen the economies of these areas in hopes to squelch immigration why go to the us if you could make a good living home. The unseen goal with a strengthened "middle class in these areas are largest exportable commodity, finance products, tourism could become more lucrative with a larger number of potential markets for insurance , ira and long term savings vehicals for a great more citizens of the planet. reality was the dismatleing of the american manufacturing sector. exporting first the parts providors, telecall centers, suppport specialists. one day we woke uin the 1990's up to find a service call center was foriegnor from india who had accent un able to understand the problem that tv went out.. next textiles plants hathaway shirts, woolen mills , wood products completely stripping all equipment and shipping to labor markets elswhere in the world. then steel manufacturing was exported to get out from the epa red tape fines finally the car manufacturing itself was out sourced. mainly to canada and mexico, but south korea also in the mix. wave after wave of jobs manufacturing were sent elswhere after nafta became a reality, mitt romney made a fortune outsourcing any potential union job to over seas markets. our economy became oil petroleum based and agriculture. oil however was needed here today 95 % of oil used is locally aquired mexico, venezula canada and us produce americas oil. non availible to be exported we however did export coal. but the mass pollution caused by this in china shut down that product. probably led to the dissagreements we are currently having with bejing. So our last commodities left is health services ,pharmacuticals, food, financials, weapon systems, and tourism. the forty hour a week job that would give you a wage sufficient enough to provide the american dream simply does not exist. four jobs at twenty hours a piece can so america became a two earner household both parents work up to 100 hours at minimum wage will give a household 3,000 a month the sum needed to provide for a two bedroom apartment , food clotyhing transportation and allow a family to save the needed 100 a week to put the two.3 darklings through college. The dem and reps created this weather i just sick they blame the other that its raining so hard in misery here in the usa.
Donald Trump did create 10,000 union jobs last year alone in the construction , he has a payroll of around 55,000 americans in the hotel and service sector working in ac nyc and elswhere . his company has hired more americans in private sector than all of his challengers combined. Personally im sick of a temp who wins a poplarity contest telling me a story... i look forward to the next president telling me the truth. I believe Trump will ., trust i can handle the truth.
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The plan was to ship jobs to desired areas of the world, mexico latin america, china vietnam, brazil india. this was done through bill clintons administration in forms of tax credits. the super secret ones at the end of a 1040 long form like earned income credit and give possibilities to recieve more money back than given in to the tune of 100 billion. the goal was to strengthen the economies of these areas in hopes to squelch immigration why go to the us if you could make a good living home. The unseen goal with a strengthened "middle class in these areas are largest exportable commodity, finance products, tourism could become more lucrative with a larger number of potential markets for insurance , ira and long term savings vehicals for a great more citizens of the planet. reality was the dismatleing of the american manufacturing sector. exporting first the parts providors, telecall centers, suppport specialists. one day we woke uin the 1990's up to find a service call center was foriegnor from india who had accent un able to understand the problem that tv went out.. next textiles plants hathaway shirts, woolen mills , wood products completely stripping all equipment and shipping to labor markets elswhere in the world. then steel manufacturing was exported to get out from the epa red tape fines finally the car manufacturing itself was out sourced. mainly to canada and mexico, but south korea also in the mix. wave after wave of jobs manufacturing were sent elswhere after nafta became a reality, mitt romney made a fortune outsourcing any potential union job to over seas markets. our economy became oil petroleum based and agriculture. oil however was needed here today 95 % of oil used is locally aquired mexico, venezula canada and us produce americas oil. non availible to be exported we however did export coal. but the mass pollution caused by this in china shut down that product. probably led to the dissagreements we are currently having with bejing. So our last commodities left is health services ,pharmacuticals, food, financials, weapon systems, and tourism. the forty hour a week job that would give you a wage sufficient enough to provide the american dream simply does not exist. four jobs at twenty hours a piece can so america became a two earner household both parents work up to 100 hours at minimum wage will give a household 3,000 a month the sum needed to provide for a two bedroom apartment , food clotyhing transportation and allow a family to save the needed 100 a week to put the two.3 darklings through college. The dem and reps created this weather i just sick they blame the other that its raining so hard in misery here in the usa.
Donald Trump did create 10,000 union jobs last year alone in the construction , he has a payroll of around 55,000 americans in the hotel and service sector working in ac nyc and elswhere . his company has hired more americans in private sector than all of his challengers combined. Personally im sick of a temp who wins a poplarity contest telling me a story... i look forward to the next president telling me the truth. I believe Trump will ., trust i can handle the truth.
one last thing on trump i appreciate is even in todays race he can and will finance his own campaign . i wont be recieving spam from trump he needs contributions even unto his lame duck 6 year caused i hope for change and got a jar of quarters.
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one last thing on trump i appreciate is even in todays race he can and will finance his own campaign . i wont be recieving spam from trump he needs contributions even unto his lame duck 6 year caused i hope for change and got a jar of quarters.
The media - all of them - are trying to laugh off the prospect of Trump in this race. I think his "outside" chances will soon become a formidable number to ignore.
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The media - all of them - are trying to laugh off the prospect of Trump in this race. I think his "outside" chances will soon become a formidable number to ignore.
Donald Trump is an opportunist who has donated to the clinton Foundation, the DNC and courted Democrats throughout his sad business career.
HIs goal is to A. Get his stupid tight lipped dead racoon hair having face on TV, and B. to help his personal friend Hillary by getting into the debates and taking out some competition.
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Donald Trump is an opportunist who has donated to the clinton Foundation, the DNC and courted Democrats throughout his sad business career.
HIs goal is to A. Get his stupid tight lipped dead racoon hair having face on TV, and B. to help his personal friend Hillary by getting into the debates and taking out some competition.
not to toot my own horn, but i should be being raised ona pedestal and bowed to for my spot-on, nostradomus like predictions about trump nearly 4 years ago!
Yes i may only be 22, but believe me i know what resonates with people.
I called it when everyone else was calling me LOONEY!
Well look at the support and momentum he is gaining now...it will only be a matter of time
Debates have not even started yet!!
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not to toot my own horn, but i should be being raised ona pedestal and bowed to for my spot-on, nostradomus like predictions about trump nearly 4 years ago!
Yes i may only be 22, but believe me i know what resonates with people.
I called it when everyone else was calling me LOONEY!
Well look at the support and momentum he is gaining now...it will only be a matter of time
Donald Trump is an opportunist who has donated to the clinton Foundation, the DNC and courted Democrats throughout his sad business career. HIs goal is to A. Get his stupid tight lipped dead racoon hair having face on TV, and B. to help his personal friend Hillary by getting into the debates and taking out some competition.
I agree trump is an opportunist.
He is a self promotor and would put himself before he country in any office or government position.
But with part B, then anyone supporter Trump is simply a closet Hillary voter or just plain stupid and being played for a fool.
Seems like a lot of Hillary supporter and fools out there right now. At least from what I can see on this site.
Great analysis rick
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Donald Trump is an opportunist who has donated to the clinton Foundation, the DNC and courted Democrats throughout his sad business career. HIs goal is to A. Get his stupid tight lipped dead racoon hair having face on TV, and B. to help his personal friend Hillary by getting into the debates and taking out some competition.
I agree trump is an opportunist.
He is a self promotor and would put himself before he country in any office or government position.
But with part B, then anyone supporter Trump is simply a closet Hillary voter or just plain stupid and being played for a fool.
Seems like a lot of Hillary supporter and fools out there right now. At least from what I can see on this site.
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