77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
Since you seem to have all the facts...what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax? Considering many of the hospitalizations (which you and MSM keep ramming down peoples throats to pump more fear in order to keep pushing the vax) fall under a select few categories that have been known from early on, why don't you fill us in on the 99.8% that don't end up in the hospital after contracting covid and what are the adverse side effects that people have complained about after taking the vax? Where are those numbers? People know the benefits of the vax, what about the negatives? When weighing a decision in life, you have to look at both sides, correct?
@thirdperson
Since you seem to have all the facts...what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax? Considering many of the hospitalizations (which you and MSM keep ramming down peoples throats to pump more fear in order to keep pushing the vax) fall under a select few categories that have been known from early on, why don't you fill us in on the 99.8% that don't end up in the hospital after contracting covid and what are the adverse side effects that people have complained about after taking the vax? Where are those numbers? People know the benefits of the vax, what about the negatives? When weighing a decision in life, you have to look at both sides, correct?
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
Apparently you don't have any friends working in the hospital. Go ask ANYONE who works in the hospital IN ANY STATE if there's 14-1 vaxed vs unvaxed in the hospital. Those numbers are COMPLETE BS. More fear mongering from MSM and NY.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
Apparently you don't have any friends working in the hospital. Go ask ANYONE who works in the hospital IN ANY STATE if there's 14-1 vaxed vs unvaxed in the hospital. Those numbers are COMPLETE BS. More fear mongering from MSM and NY.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
thirdperson is absolutely spot on once again !
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder. thirdperson is absolutely FULL OF SHIT once again !
There, fixed it for ya.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder. thirdperson is absolutely FULL OF SHIT once again !
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates.
As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
exactly !
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated
Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates.
As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
If your riding a bike and you fear you could fall, wear a helmet that will protect your head, not a leather cap!
If you have trouble with vision while driving, get your eyes corrected with prescription glasses.
If you fear you could fall while walking, get a cane.
If you work in industry you may need PPE in certain situations. For safety glasses it's Z87.1 ANSI approved glasses! Not something off a walmart shelf!!
If YOU fear that COVID may harm YOU, get an approved N95 mask, know how to properly fit it, and protect YOURSELF!!! Cloth masks are a joke!!! Political obedience statement at best that even the elected leaders DO NOT FOLLOW.
If our leaders were serious it would be ONLY N95 tested and approved masks. They have been TESTED!!!! But they are not serious. They want to create division from which they strive to gain more power. All about the power, not the safety of people.
So you young healthy folks, many who already had COVID with no issues, LIVE YOUR LIVES I SAY!!!! Let those with fear or cormorbidities wear the masks. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED THE PPE. And I believe when this is years behind us scientists will find that the vaccinated, with higher numbers of asymptomatic symptoms, spread covid at a rate equal to or even higher than the unvaccinated who recognized the symptoms and quarintined. Especially since so many venues give a "free pass" to the vaccinated without 72 hours testing!!
Now that Omicron sweeps across the country, this from the New York Times;
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday clarified its stance on various kinds of masks, acknowledging that the cloth masks frequently worn by Americans do not offer as much protection as surgical masks or respirators.
WHAT TOOK SO LONG.............POLITICS!!
POSTED BACK IN SEPTEMBER;
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
If your riding a bike and you fear you could fall, wear a helmet that will protect your head, not a leather cap!
If you have trouble with vision while driving, get your eyes corrected with prescription glasses.
If you fear you could fall while walking, get a cane.
If you work in industry you may need PPE in certain situations. For safety glasses it's Z87.1 ANSI approved glasses! Not something off a walmart shelf!!
If YOU fear that COVID may harm YOU, get an approved N95 mask, know how to properly fit it, and protect YOURSELF!!! Cloth masks are a joke!!! Political obedience statement at best that even the elected leaders DO NOT FOLLOW.
If our leaders were serious it would be ONLY N95 tested and approved masks. They have been TESTED!!!! But they are not serious. They want to create division from which they strive to gain more power. All about the power, not the safety of people.
So you young healthy folks, many who already had COVID with no issues, LIVE YOUR LIVES I SAY!!!! Let those with fear or cormorbidities wear the masks. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED THE PPE. And I believe when this is years behind us scientists will find that the vaccinated, with higher numbers of asymptomatic symptoms, spread covid at a rate equal to or even higher than the unvaccinated who recognized the symptoms and quarintined. Especially since so many venues give a "free pass" to the vaccinated without 72 hours testing!!
Now that Omicron sweeps across the country, this from the New York Times;
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday clarified its stance on various kinds of masks, acknowledging that the cloth masks frequently worn by Americans do not offer as much protection as surgical masks or respirators.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
thirdperson is absolutely spot on once again !
Agreed. He does a great job providing the facts.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: 77% of people in Ontario are vaccinated 74% of the people hospitalized with Covid in Ontario are vaccinated Thirdperson claims that you’re 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated Raw numbers don't tell the full story. Important to remember that vaccinated people far outnumber the unvaccinated in calculating hospitalization rates. As of January 13 (2022), Ontario science table reveals covid ICU hospitalization of 207 per million unvaccinated compared to 19 per million fully vaccinated residents. Or almost 10 times difference. In previous months, hospitalization rates are higher but omicron is milder.
Good article for the most part. My highly touted Iceland data shows a sharp increase for hospitalizations for the vaccinated and boostered.
Here is a part of that article that, IMO, pure bullshit;
"Dr. Sheena Taylor, chief hospitalist at Mary Washington Healthcare, spoke in September about the way mutations can be fueled by the unvaccinated.
She said those who are vaccinated have antibodies in their systems—virtual armies ready to be deployed when the virus attacks. Those who aren’t vaccinated don’t have that supply of “armed forces” and as their bodies fight to build up a defense, there’s a lag time between infection and immune response."
Good article for the most part. My highly touted Iceland data shows a sharp increase for hospitalizations for the vaccinated and boostered.
Here is a part of that article that, IMO, pure bullshit;
"Dr. Sheena Taylor, chief hospitalist at Mary Washington Healthcare, spoke in September about the way mutations can be fueled by the unvaccinated.
She said those who are vaccinated have antibodies in their systems—virtual armies ready to be deployed when the virus attacks. Those who aren’t vaccinated don’t have that supply of “armed forces” and as their bodies fight to build up a defense, there’s a lag time between infection and immune response."
In that lag time, [the virus] is getting an opportunity to replicate,” Taylor said, and possibly mutate into an even stronger variant. “That is why it’s immensely important to vaccinate. We’re protecting our community at large and preventing the opportunity of future mutations to come about.”
Good in theory, but NOT what we are seeing. So far the main variants of concern came from India, Peru, and Africa. This virus has been proven to jump to animals and back to humans. It's how it started in the first place.
Mutations take place with every jump from one species to another. To say the unvaccinated will cause the next mutation is WRONG in so many ways!! Good chance an animal was involved.
Iceland had genomed mapped every new case and noted at least one mutation every 4th infection. So there are constant changes going on.
In that lag time, [the virus] is getting an opportunity to replicate,” Taylor said, and possibly mutate into an even stronger variant. “That is why it’s immensely important to vaccinate. We’re protecting our community at large and preventing the opportunity of future mutations to come about.”
Good in theory, but NOT what we are seeing. So far the main variants of concern came from India, Peru, and Africa. This virus has been proven to jump to animals and back to humans. It's how it started in the first place.
Mutations take place with every jump from one species to another. To say the unvaccinated will cause the next mutation is WRONG in so many ways!! Good chance an animal was involved.
Iceland had genomed mapped every new case and noted at least one mutation every 4th infection. So there are constant changes going on.
When I say "How it started in first place" let us include some human (lab) engineering with that!!
Minnesota since November 8th (have data from that date) has a steady 33% of covid deaths were vaccinated individuals. They were 61% vaccinated on Nov. 8th, now 66%.
When I say "How it started in first place" let us include some human (lab) engineering with that!!
Minnesota since November 8th (have data from that date) has a steady 33% of covid deaths were vaccinated individuals. They were 61% vaccinated on Nov. 8th, now 66%.
..what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax?
Most people experience mild side effects (94%) which last a few days. Serious side effects (6%) are very rare. For example, CDC investigations found 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 239 million people vaccinated according to USA today. But people should fear covid more than vaccines. Over 850,000 covid deaths out of over 65 million cases in the US,
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
..what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax?
Most people experience mild side effects (94%) which last a few days. Serious side effects (6%) are very rare. For example, CDC investigations found 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 239 million people vaccinated according to USA today. But people should fear covid more than vaccines. Over 850,000 covid deaths out of over 65 million cases in the US,
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: ..what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax? Most people experience mild side effects (94%) which last a few days. Serious side effects (6%) are very rare. For example, CDC investigations found 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 239 million people vaccinated according to USA today. But people should fear covid more than vaccines. Over 850,000 covid deaths out of over 65 million cases in the US,
Of those 850,000 deaths, how many WITH covid and how many BECAUSE of covid?
If your a healthy young adult what are your chances of vaccine reaction compared to covid issues?
The biggest lies are; "you get vaccinated so you don't spread it to the vulnerable." Delta ended that theory and Omicron has smashed it. Vaccinated are spreading the virus too.
"You get vaccinated because the unvaccinated can create dangerous mutations." India, Peru, and Africa have been where the last three biggest mutations came from. The virus easily infects animals and back to humans. Chances are animal interaction plays a big role in mutations.
"Mask up so you protect others". Cloth masks finally being recognized as "not very good". N95 masks designed to protect THE USER. Wear a mask if you have reason to fear covid, and make it N95. Your choice.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: ..what are the stats of adverse side effects in healthy folks shortly after taking the vax? Most people experience mild side effects (94%) which last a few days. Serious side effects (6%) are very rare. For example, CDC investigations found 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 239 million people vaccinated according to USA today. But people should fear covid more than vaccines. Over 850,000 covid deaths out of over 65 million cases in the US,
Of those 850,000 deaths, how many WITH covid and how many BECAUSE of covid?
If your a healthy young adult what are your chances of vaccine reaction compared to covid issues?
The biggest lies are; "you get vaccinated so you don't spread it to the vulnerable." Delta ended that theory and Omicron has smashed it. Vaccinated are spreading the virus too.
"You get vaccinated because the unvaccinated can create dangerous mutations." India, Peru, and Africa have been where the last three biggest mutations came from. The virus easily infects animals and back to humans. Chances are animal interaction plays a big role in mutations.
"Mask up so you protect others". Cloth masks finally being recognized as "not very good". N95 masks designed to protect THE USER. Wear a mask if you have reason to fear covid, and make it N95. Your choice.
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
If Minnesota is 8.8 to 117.8 how the hell are 1/3 of covid deaths since November 8th are the vaccinated???
November 8th, 483 total vaccinated COVID-19 deaths."
There are currently 1177 vaccinated deaths, 33% of Minnesota covid deaths since November 8th have been the vaccinated.
Guess if your vaccinated and go to the hospital with covid your screwed!!!
Was it not you who said 7 days of data (cherry picked I'm sure) not a clear picture?
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to Time, covid is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated who are far more likely to be hospitalized. December weekly hospitalization rates (per 100,000 residents) are as follows. Virginia 1.6 vaccinated compared to 39.6 unvaccinated. Colorado 4.2 to 52.2. Utah 4.4 to 56.7. Connecticut 4.6 to 68.6. Minnesota 8.8 to 117.8. In USA today, New York health department reports that unvaccinated people are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized.
If Minnesota is 8.8 to 117.8 how the hell are 1/3 of covid deaths since November 8th are the vaccinated???
November 8th, 483 total vaccinated COVID-19 deaths."
There are currently 1177 vaccinated deaths, 33% of Minnesota covid deaths since November 8th have been the vaccinated.
Guess if your vaccinated and go to the hospital with covid your screwed!!!
Was it not you who said 7 days of data (cherry picked I'm sure) not a clear picture?
Of those 850,000 deaths, how many WITH covid and how many BECAUSE of covid?
Covid deaths aren't over counted. Lead stories fact check reveals National center for health statistics always separate out cases where covid is the immediate cause of death. Although deceased people may have risk factors, doctors determine they would still be alive if not for covid. Doctors are well trained to determine cause of death. So Center for disease data already differentiate between those who died from the virus and those who died with it.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Of those 850,000 deaths, how many WITH covid and how many BECAUSE of covid?
Covid deaths aren't over counted. Lead stories fact check reveals National center for health statistics always separate out cases where covid is the immediate cause of death. Although deceased people may have risk factors, doctors determine they would still be alive if not for covid. Doctors are well trained to determine cause of death. So Center for disease data already differentiate between those who died from the virus and those who died with it.
Funny that recently the CDC Director could NOT answer that very question; How many of the 800,000+ were people with covid rather than from covid. She hedged the question when asked directly and never answered it.
Hmmm.
Funny that recently the CDC Director could NOT answer that very question; How many of the 800,000+ were people with covid rather than from covid. She hedged the question when asked directly and never answered it.
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