Management stepping in and performing work followed by a grievance filed from union work is not protocol for just about every union?
So more often than not...union reps are ok with management getting dirty? I don't think so.
My first real job was in an union environment, I was an office lacky, so I was snubbed by most of the brotherhood.
A few guys did talk to me though, and they usually got shit on by the union themselves, or simply didn't give a fuck.
The funny thing is, if I were to even get a scuff mark on my khakis, sure as night follows day, management would receive a grievance by the next morning, by all members who witnessed it.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Management stepping in and performing work followed by a grievance filed from union work is not protocol for just about every union?
So more often than not...union reps are ok with management getting dirty? I don't think so.
My first real job was in an union environment, I was an office lacky, so I was snubbed by most of the brotherhood.
A few guys did talk to me though, and they usually got shit on by the union themselves, or simply didn't give a fuck.
The funny thing is, if I were to even get a scuff mark on my khakis, sure as night follows day, management would receive a grievance by the next morning, by all members who witnessed it.
My first real job was in an union environment, I was an office lacky, so I was snubbed by most of the brotherhood.
A few guys did talk to me though, and they usually got shit on by the union themselves, or simply didn't give a fuck.
The funny thing is, if I were to even get a scuff mark on my khakis, sure as night follows day, management would receive a grievance by the next morning, by all members who witnessed it.
So should I expect an apology from djbrow shortly for him being completely wrong in his assessments of my correct analogy of typical union 'environment' protocol?
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Quote Originally Posted by Renton:
My first real job was in an union environment, I was an office lacky, so I was snubbed by most of the brotherhood.
A few guys did talk to me though, and they usually got shit on by the union themselves, or simply didn't give a fuck.
The funny thing is, if I were to even get a scuff mark on my khakis, sure as night follows day, management would receive a grievance by the next morning, by all members who witnessed it.
So should I expect an apology from djbrow shortly for him being completely wrong in his assessments of my correct analogy of typical union 'environment' protocol?
So should I expect an apology from djbrow shortly for him being completely wrong in his assessments of my correct analogy of typical union 'environment' protocol?
Doubt it... he's probably checking IP addresses.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
So should I expect an apology from djbrow shortly for him being completely wrong in his assessments of my correct analogy of typical union 'environment' protocol?
8 years or so ago when I was working for a non-union Alcoa plant we had a union drive that was ultimately unsuccesful.
To remain objective I went to one of the unions introductary meetings where the union rep flat out said the he didnt care if the plant was profitable or not and Alcoa had deep pockets.
I was amazed that that statement didnt turn more people off. We didnt vote them in thank goodness and the plant is still in operation under a new company.
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8 years or so ago when I was working for a non-union Alcoa plant we had a union drive that was ultimately unsuccesful.
To remain objective I went to one of the unions introductary meetings where the union rep flat out said the he didnt care if the plant was profitable or not and Alcoa had deep pockets.
I was amazed that that statement didnt turn more people off. We didnt vote them in thank goodness and the plant is still in operation under a new company.
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Ooops.
Why does one need to have a bachelors degree to renew my driver license or register my vehicle?
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Ooops.
Why does one need to have a bachelors degree to renew my driver license or register my vehicle?
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Shows that you have no clue what you're talking about becauase not only is this not the aspect of the union environment I was talking about but cutting down on the number of workers needed is definately NOT a goal of ANY union.
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I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Shows that you have no clue what you're talking about becauase not only is this not the aspect of the union environment I was talking about but cutting down on the number of workers needed is definately NOT a goal of ANY union.
The United States Government also encourages people to own homes by allowing mortgage interest to be used as a tax deduction ...
Whereas Canada does not allow a tax deduction for interest on loans secured by the taxpayer's personal residence ... that interest is not tax deductible ....same as in Australia,,
Until recently the home ownership rate in Canada was about the same as in the United States, but Canadians had about 70% equity in their homes on average ...
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The United States Government also encourages people to own homes by allowing mortgage interest to be used as a tax deduction ...
Whereas Canada does not allow a tax deduction for interest on loans secured by the taxpayer's personal residence ... that interest is not tax deductible ....same as in Australia,,
Until recently the home ownership rate in Canada was about the same as in the United States, but Canadians had about 70% equity in their homes on average ...
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Ooops.
The article fails to mention that those analysts salaries were probably paid for by a union.
But in all due seriousness, you will never change the real life experiences we have been through.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy who drives a bus for a living making $28 an hour plus benefits, at the taxpayers expense, is overpaid compared to the same guy in the private sector making $19 an hour.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Lloyd and Harry got nothing on you two.
What would I apologize for? The fact that neither of you read the article?
From the article:
The verdict:
True, but incomplete. Overall, union workers earn more than non-unionized employees, and public employees earn more on average than private-sector workers. But analysts say an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult due to differing occupations, and that many educated workers could make more in the private sector than in government jobs.
I look forward to you boys proving that having higher educated employees does't save money by cutting down on the number of workers needed.
Ooops.
The article fails to mention that those analysts salaries were probably paid for by a union.
But in all due seriousness, you will never change the real life experiences we have been through.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy who drives a bus for a living making $28 an hour plus benefits, at the taxpayers expense, is overpaid compared to the same guy in the private sector making $19 an hour.
While not all positions overlap DJ... you can't argue that a good number do.
In the cases of overlapping duties, I have experienced that the Government worker, makes more on average then their private sector counterpart. To which this study backs up.
That means I as a taxpayer am overpaying for goods and services that the Government provides.
And no I'm not comparing police officers to rent a cops at the mall.
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While not all positions overlap DJ... you can't argue that a good number do.
In the cases of overlapping duties, I have experienced that the Government worker, makes more on average then their private sector counterpart. To which this study backs up.
That means I as a taxpayer am overpaying for goods and services that the Government provides.
And no I'm not comparing police officers to rent a cops at the mall.
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