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    nature1970
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 8:55 AM ET #1

    Electoral College votes on monday.
    Mr Bennett of Maine vows to cast his vote for Trump let's see how many of the pledged delegates vote for Trump.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Electoral College votes on monday.
    Mr Bennett of Maine vows to cast his vote for Trump let's see how many of the pledged delegates vote for Trump.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 8:56 AM ET #2

    Over under 2 defectors.
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    Over under 2 defectors.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 10:43 AM ET #3

    I hope you are right nature. Will there be a coup? We won't know till the 1st week in January when the votes are counted.
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    I hope you are right nature. Will there be a coup? We won't know till the 1st week in January when the votes are counted.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 10:55 AM ET #4

    even the texas delegate that stated he switch is on board so my bet is under 2 for 50. might as well make it interesting.... The cabinet selections seal it for MR Trump to be President...
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    even the texas delegate that stated he switch is on board so my bet is under 2 for 50. might as well make it interesting.... The cabinet selections seal it for MR Trump to be President...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 11:39 AM ET #5

    All of the morning shows today continue to pound us from our state sponsored propaganda machine that Hillary lost because of the unbelievable Russian hack, The same talking points on all of the networks, I hope you are right nature that the cabinet selections lock it up. I would  be extremely embarrassed to tell somebody I was a Dem going down this rabbit hole.
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    All of the morning shows today continue to pound us from our state sponsored propaganda machine that Hillary lost because of the unbelievable Russian hack, The same talking points on all of the networks, I hope you are right nature that the cabinet selections lock it up. I would  be extremely embarrassed to tell somebody I was a Dem going down this rabbit hole.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 12:08 PM ET #6

    Get ready for riots like you've never seen if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people. I know the left usually owns protest/riots but the people have spoken. Trump won in a landslide. They better vote the will of the people. (And to the lefties, save the popular vote bs). It's the same as out-gaining a team 2-1 in yards and losing the game.

    Trump didn't bother with states he knew he couldn't win, he focused on the ones he needed to win because that's the rules of the game. Thank God someone exposed the Democrats for who they are. I couldn't care less (just like Obama didn't care about the Russians hacking government systems his entire reign and not a problem with Madam C&nts home server either). 
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    Get ready for riots like you've never seen if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people. I know the left usually owns protest/riots but the people have spoken. Trump won in a landslide. They better vote the will of the people. (And to the lefties, save the popular vote bs). It's the same as out-gaining a team 2-1 in yards and losing the game.

    Trump didn't bother with states he knew he couldn't win, he focused on the ones he needed to win because that's the rules of the game. Thank God someone exposed the Democrats for who they are. I couldn't care less (just like Obama didn't care about the Russians hacking government systems his entire reign and not a problem with Madam C&nts home server either). 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 12:38 PM ET #7

    Unlike Leadership

    Who with out question sabotaged Bernie's run, basically gave 700 votes of Stupid err super delegates out of the box. cut him from the democrats registry of Donors  list painted him as this neo communist.

    their propaganda release machine cbs msnbc and cnn. was scolded by Obama of why they shouldn't  talk of the content of these emails.

    chastised women for not being feminist if they didn't vote for Teflon queen.

    instigated the riots at Trumps rallies.

    failed to put Bernie as the running mate.

    and the African Americans didn't support her Dixie-crat ideals of white Arkansas in the popular vote .

    Her Benghazi email server was hacked the intelligence fed to Terror groups in Lybia. The video guy is still in jail.

     to target the ambassador the day He was at the consulate not in

    the actual Embassy in Tripoli..

    the destabilizing policies that has plunged Syria in a war over a water/oil pipeline with Turkey- Israeli interests Syria had expressed interest in using the pipe line as well . which Turkey denied hence the need for the regime change.

    Created funded and supported The Arab spring, Muslim Brotherhood and the regime changes in Libya.

    Maybe the liberal citizens of environmentalist lbgt community,

    workers for peace and the poor .

    might stop ENABLING these monsters to do more harm on the

    national and international stage.

    This are the worst group that leads their party and leadership

    does not reflect Values of the majority of the party maybe they can

    discern that they should not fund global terrorists and bad state

    actors.....


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    Unlike Leadership

    Who with out question sabotaged Bernie's run, basically gave 700 votes of Stupid err super delegates out of the box. cut him from the democrats registry of Donors  list painted him as this neo communist.

    their propaganda release machine cbs msnbc and cnn. was scolded by Obama of why they shouldn't  talk of the content of these emails.

    chastised women for not being feminist if they didn't vote for Teflon queen.

    instigated the riots at Trumps rallies.

    failed to put Bernie as the running mate.

    and the African Americans didn't support her Dixie-crat ideals of white Arkansas in the popular vote .

    Her Benghazi email server was hacked the intelligence fed to Terror groups in Lybia. The video guy is still in jail.

     to target the ambassador the day He was at the consulate not in

    the actual Embassy in Tripoli..

    the destabilizing policies that has plunged Syria in a war over a water/oil pipeline with Turkey- Israeli interests Syria had expressed interest in using the pipe line as well . which Turkey denied hence the need for the regime change.

    Created funded and supported The Arab spring, Muslim Brotherhood and the regime changes in Libya.

    Maybe the liberal citizens of environmentalist lbgt community,

    workers for peace and the poor .

    might stop ENABLING these monsters to do more harm on the

    national and international stage.

    This are the worst group that leads their party and leadership

    does not reflect Values of the majority of the party maybe they can

    discern that they should not fund global terrorists and bad state

    actors.....


     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 12:56 PM ET #8

    Hillary spent 1.2 Billion to Trumps 600,000 million and lost it

    wasn't lack of money, it wasn't for lack of media interest's it wasn't

    lack of exposure .

     It was from the lack of a popular candidate who did awful things a

    nd feels she is above any law that might infringe on her .


    But no it was Comey fault or Wiener's sexting

     now the Russians are to blame.

    Sociopaths feel this way, they are the victim and can not take responsibility of making bad decisions.

    I believe a kid in Texas suffers from this same delusion entitlement defense....

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    Hillary spent 1.2 Billion to Trumps 600,000 million and lost it

    wasn't lack of money, it wasn't for lack of media interest's it wasn't

    lack of exposure .

     It was from the lack of a popular candidate who did awful things a

    nd feels she is above any law that might infringe on her .


    But no it was Comey fault or Wiener's sexting

     now the Russians are to blame.

    Sociopaths feel this way, they are the victim and can not take responsibility of making bad decisions.

    I believe a kid in Texas suffers from this same delusion entitlement defense....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 1:01 PM ET #9

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?
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    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 1:03 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?

    They didn't want Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?

    They didn't want Clinton.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 1:16 PM ET #11

    Had she won Pennsylvania,

    I believed she should have seeing the Democratic national convention was held there

     this would be a one vote race hence Maine's second district becomes the story. so why did she lose the second district,

    Executive action to take Ms Quimby's (queen b)land and make it a national park. without congress or Maine having any say in the matter.

    No park no e/w corridor is the standard in second district. No expanded back ground checks Poliquin won over McCain .

    two democrats did win in the second District Jackson and Martin/ legal marijuana past hardly a conservative movement, minimum wage increases to 12 over a few years and rises at the rate of inflation past. Hardly on the republican plank.

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    Had she won Pennsylvania,

    I believed she should have seeing the Democratic national convention was held there

     this would be a one vote race hence Maine's second district becomes the story. so why did she lose the second district,

    Executive action to take Ms Quimby's (queen b)land and make it a national park. without congress or Maine having any say in the matter.

    No park no e/w corridor is the standard in second district. No expanded back ground checks Poliquin won over McCain .

    two democrats did win in the second District Jackson and Martin/ legal marijuana past hardly a conservative movement, minimum wage increases to 12 over a few years and rises at the rate of inflation past. Hardly on the republican plank.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 3:17 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?


    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?


    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 3:24 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  


    when Jackson won the election in 1928 new parties emerged the federalist went the way of the dodo and the whigs emerged from the ashes, which then fell to the republicans modern day era these parties are mutating, Progressive vs traditional democrat, tea party vs established Grand old Party, a huge shake up in Washington and across the country as party members both sides moving to the other side of the aisle.

    Clinton/ Sanders ticket would have one. but Clinton was left like the seals on the roof of Bengazi and that isn't Russia's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  


    when Jackson won the election in 1928 new parties emerged the federalist went the way of the dodo and the whigs emerged from the ashes, which then fell to the republicans modern day era these parties are mutating, Progressive vs traditional democrat, tea party vs established Grand old Party, a huge shake up in Washington and across the country as party members both sides moving to the other side of the aisle.

    Clinton/ Sanders ticket would have one. but Clinton was left like the seals on the roof of Bengazi and that isn't Russia's fault.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 4:21 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?

    We just had a turd for 8 years and will not stand for another...
    Moronic is not understanding how the Presidential election works. 8th graders understand how it works, go ask one to explain it to you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The will of the people?

    Which people, the republicans or the total population?

    Trump lost the vote of the people and lost quite badly, I dont think anything will change with this electoral college bullsh!t but spare me the "will of the people" garbage, it is false and quite moronic.

    If the people wanted for this turd, what does that say about the people?

    We just had a turd for 8 years and will not stand for another...
    Moronic is not understanding how the Presidential election works. 8th graders understand how it works, go ask one to explain it to you...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 4:24 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  

    That's the delusional post of the day... Duped for the last 8 years by President Rainbow is what's been transpiring and it ends in 32 days... You must be joking about the video and recording of the Democrats numerous times and most recently how we must accept the results of the election and the transfer or power is what we're all about. Please... I do enjoy reading the sour grapes from you & QMich daily though. You just won't accept the fact that the last 8 years sealed your girls fate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Facts were already on life support with Republicans for the last 16 years, they are now officially dead with the new regime.   We are now in an era where proof, facts and the truth are meaningless even if it is recorded on tape or video.   People are going to hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.   One day they will wake up and realize how duped and used they were, but it is already too late.  

    That's the delusional post of the day... Duped for the last 8 years by President Rainbow is what's been transpiring and it ends in 32 days... You must be joking about the video and recording of the Democrats numerous times and most recently how we must accept the results of the election and the transfer or power is what we're all about. Please... I do enjoy reading the sour grapes from you & QMich daily though. You just won't accept the fact that the last 8 years sealed your girls fate...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    We just had a turd for 8 years and will not stand for another...
    Moronic is not understanding how the Presidential election works. 8th graders understand how it works, go ask one to explain it to you...

    So did you not say if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people?

    The PEOPLE voted for Clinton..so spare me the 8th grade garbage, the Electoral College is why Trump got the election, not from the will of the people.

    Trump badly lost the popular vote, that is the people, the electoral college is a manufactured relic that needs realignment. I dont see how a popular vote can be lost by 2M and the other candidate be allowed to win, I dont care about fairness and distribution, if you lose the popular vote the EC should not bail you out.

    Rather than own up to your mistake you keep henpecking the EC card..

    I dont like Clinton, so skip that liberal democrat routine, I think you would be wiser to just tuck your tail under your butt and quit trying to rub anything in. If the EC voters change their mind, you have no leg to stand on, he got killed in the popular vote, THAT is the voice of the people...and yeah that means the people in California have the same vote as the guy in Michigan or Ohio or Florida. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    We just had a turd for 8 years and will not stand for another...
    Moronic is not understanding how the Presidential election works. 8th graders understand how it works, go ask one to explain it to you...

    So did you not say if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people?

    The PEOPLE voted for Clinton..so spare me the 8th grade garbage, the Electoral College is why Trump got the election, not from the will of the people.

    Trump badly lost the popular vote, that is the people, the electoral college is a manufactured relic that needs realignment. I dont see how a popular vote can be lost by 2M and the other candidate be allowed to win, I dont care about fairness and distribution, if you lose the popular vote the EC should not bail you out.

    Rather than own up to your mistake you keep henpecking the EC card..

    I dont like Clinton, so skip that liberal democrat routine, I think you would be wiser to just tuck your tail under your butt and quit trying to rub anything in. If the EC voters change their mind, you have no leg to stand on, he got killed in the popular vote, THAT is the voice of the people...and yeah that means the people in California have the same vote as the guy in Michigan or Ohio or Florida. 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:25 PM ET #17

    electorial college was set up in the constitution .

    why to get the continental states to become the united states

    smaller states believed that each state regardless of population has just as much at stake to elect the president as more populous states.

    to enter a compromise the founding fathers discussed this and debated this to great lengths and then compromising to a lower house elected on populous basis and an upper house elected on two per states then the states total house members was determined to be that states electorate.

    it heavily stacks the deck to be in favor of California new York and Texas, the smaller states wished where they was one vote per state but that was under the compromise. It still weighs more popular states against less populous states but it gives small states a little more influence . 

    problem is Clinton didn't win Pennsylvania simply put if she had the electoral college could be swayed where literally one vote could decide.

    As for the electoral college itself they do not have to vote for any of the above, If a true coup would be achieved the electoral could vote for Anderson if they so chooses.

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    electorial college was set up in the constitution .

    why to get the continental states to become the united states

    smaller states believed that each state regardless of population has just as much at stake to elect the president as more populous states.

    to enter a compromise the founding fathers discussed this and debated this to great lengths and then compromising to a lower house elected on populous basis and an upper house elected on two per states then the states total house members was determined to be that states electorate.

    it heavily stacks the deck to be in favor of California new York and Texas, the smaller states wished where they was one vote per state but that was under the compromise. It still weighs more popular states against less populous states but it gives small states a little more influence . 

    problem is Clinton didn't win Pennsylvania simply put if she had the electoral college could be swayed where literally one vote could decide.

    As for the electoral college itself they do not have to vote for any of the above, If a true coup would be achieved the electoral could vote for Anderson if they so chooses.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:34 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    That's the delusional post of the day... Duped for the last 8 years by President Rainbow is what's been transpiring and it ends in 32 days... You must be joking about the video and recording of the Democrats numerous times and most recently how we must accept the results of the election and the transfer or power is what we're all about. Please... I do enjoy reading the sour grapes from you & QMich daily though. You just won't accept the fact that the last 8 years sealed your girls fate...

    No sour grapes here, I'm actually looking forward to see what is going to happen.   You're the sore winner from the 'anyone but her' crowd.  I'll be sitting back and watching and when the moment(s) come to say "I told you so", I'll be here.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    That's the delusional post of the day... Duped for the last 8 years by President Rainbow is what's been transpiring and it ends in 32 days... You must be joking about the video and recording of the Democrats numerous times and most recently how we must accept the results of the election and the transfer or power is what we're all about. Please... I do enjoy reading the sour grapes from you & QMich daily though. You just won't accept the fact that the last 8 years sealed your girls fate...

    No sour grapes here, I'm actually looking forward to see what is going to happen.   You're the sore winner from the 'anyone but her' crowd.  I'll be sitting back and watching and when the moment(s) come to say "I told you so", I'll be here.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:37 PM ET #19

    A true vote would be every citizen voting to a national pool and the national vote is counted...not state by state with improper weighting population wise given to certain states versus another.

    My vote in Arizona either way should count nationally, and that is not the case now. If you live in a heavy one sided state your vote means nothing and that is against the constitution...everyone who wants to vote should be able and feel their vote matters.

    Get rid of the EC and state count for presidential voting, every single voter in every single state gets their vote counted and it does not matter what the majority decides, your vote counts nationally irregardless of where you live.
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    A true vote would be every citizen voting to a national pool and the national vote is counted...not state by state with improper weighting population wise given to certain states versus another.

    My vote in Arizona either way should count nationally, and that is not the case now. If you live in a heavy one sided state your vote means nothing and that is against the constitution...everyone who wants to vote should be able and feel their vote matters.

    Get rid of the EC and state count for presidential voting, every single voter in every single state gets their vote counted and it does not matter what the majority decides, your vote counts nationally irregardless of where you live.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:38 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So did you not say if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people?

    The PEOPLE voted for Clinton..so spare me the 8th grade garbage, the Electoral College is why Trump got the election, not from the will of the people.

    Trump badly lost the popular vote, that is the people, the electoral college is a manufactured relic that needs realignment. I dont see how a popular vote can be lost by 2M and the other candidate be allowed to win, I dont care about fairness and distribution, if you lose the popular vote the EC should not bail you out.

    Rather than own up to your mistake you keep henpecking the EC card..

    I dont like Clinton, so skip that liberal democrat routine, I think you would be wiser to just tuck your tail under your butt and quit trying to rub anything in. If the EC voters change their mind, you have no leg to stand on, he got killed in the popular vote, THAT is the voice of the people...and yeah that means the people in California have the same vote as the guy in Michigan or Ohio or Florida. 




    You're not the only one who doesn't like the electoral system....

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So did you not say if the Electoral College goes against the will of the people?

    The PEOPLE voted for Clinton..so spare me the 8th grade garbage, the Electoral College is why Trump got the election, not from the will of the people.

    Trump badly lost the popular vote, that is the people, the electoral college is a manufactured relic that needs realignment. I dont see how a popular vote can be lost by 2M and the other candidate be allowed to win, I dont care about fairness and distribution, if you lose the popular vote the EC should not bail you out.

    Rather than own up to your mistake you keep henpecking the EC card..

    I dont like Clinton, so skip that liberal democrat routine, I think you would be wiser to just tuck your tail under your butt and quit trying to rub anything in. If the EC voters change their mind, you have no leg to stand on, he got killed in the popular vote, THAT is the voice of the people...and yeah that means the people in California have the same vote as the guy in Michigan or Ohio or Florida. 




    You're not the only one who doesn't like the electoral system....

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:41 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    A true vote would be every citizen voting to a national pool and the national vote is counted...not state by state with improper weighting population wise given to certain states versus another.

    My vote in Arizona either way should count nationally, and that is not the case now. If you live in a heavy one sided state your vote means nothing and that is against the constitution...everyone who wants to vote should be able and feel their vote matters.

    Get rid of the EC and state count for presidential voting, every single voter in every single state gets their vote counted and it does not matter what the majority decides, your vote counts nationally irregardless of where you live.

    That also keeps a lot of people at home because they know that their vote is meaningless.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    A true vote would be every citizen voting to a national pool and the national vote is counted...not state by state with improper weighting population wise given to certain states versus another.

    My vote in Arizona either way should count nationally, and that is not the case now. If you live in a heavy one sided state your vote means nothing and that is against the constitution...everyone who wants to vote should be able and feel their vote matters.

    Get rid of the EC and state count for presidential voting, every single voter in every single state gets their vote counted and it does not matter what the majority decides, your vote counts nationally irregardless of where you live.

    That also keeps a lot of people at home because they know that their vote is meaningless.   
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 5:54 PM ET #22

    As usual Wall is spot on here. Trump won the electoral college. But do not come in here and say that the people spoke in effort to support your view of trump. The people did speak and Hillary won in the largest ever landslide (for a non elected candidate) using the "people spoke argument".

    We vote using the electoral college. We can argue the merits of that if we want. But those are the rules and by the rules trump won. Fair enough.

    But the "people spoke" argument is ignorant and lacks intelligence at best.

    I know some will come on here and blast me. That is fine. I am a big boy I can take it. But I am just calling for some level of honest thinking.

    It is like the other thread where I had an issue with the people saying the dems are being sore losers by focusing on the FBI / CIA / Russia issue. My only point with that post was that it is not the dems being sore losers. The point is that when both the FBI and CIA claim shenanigans then it goes well beyond the dems being sore losers.

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    As usual Wall is spot on here. Trump won the electoral college. But do not come in here and say that the people spoke in effort to support your view of trump. The people did speak and Hillary won in the largest ever landslide (for a non elected candidate) using the "people spoke argument".

    We vote using the electoral college. We can argue the merits of that if we want. But those are the rules and by the rules trump won. Fair enough.

    But the "people spoke" argument is ignorant and lacks intelligence at best.

    I know some will come on here and blast me. That is fine. I am a big boy I can take it. But I am just calling for some level of honest thinking.

    It is like the other thread where I had an issue with the people saying the dems are being sore losers by focusing on the FBI / CIA / Russia issue. My only point with that post was that it is not the dems being sore losers. The point is that when both the FBI and CIA claim shenanigans then it goes well beyond the dems being sore losers.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 6:08 PM ET #23

    amending the constitution is only way possible to make a one vote one citizen over 18 cast their vote. this is not impossible. It was achieved by making a 3/5 slave vote for plantation to a one man vote further amended to include one citizen over 21 with women's suffrage and again when lowering the voting age to 18.

    It is possible that the will of the people and the subsequent 3/4 ratification to remove the college, but don't hate the players hate the rules.


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    amending the constitution is only way possible to make a one vote one citizen over 18 cast their vote. this is not impossible. It was achieved by making a 3/5 slave vote for plantation to a one man vote further amended to include one citizen over 21 with women's suffrage and again when lowering the voting age to 18.

    It is possible that the will of the people and the subsequent 3/4 ratification to remove the college, but don't hate the players hate the rules.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2016 - 6:10 PM ET #24

    personally I dislike that NH and Iowa decides who moves on to the southern and western primaries and caucuses. This notion that these states are the gate keepers to the nominations offend me.
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    personally I dislike that NH and Iowa decides who moves on to the southern and western primaries and caucuses. This notion that these states are the gate keepers to the nominations offend me.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    amending the constitution is only way possible to make a one vote one citizen over 18 cast their vote. this is not impossible. It was achieved by making a 3/5 slave vote for plantation to a one man vote further amended to include one citizen over 21 with women's suffrage and again when lowering the voting age to 18.

    It is possible that the will of the people and the subsequent 3/4 ratification to remove the college, but don't hate the players hate the rules.



    Hate the smug people who say inaccurate things to rub it in the nose of the opposite voter.

    Nobody won in this election but the elite, but that is the case with every election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    amending the constitution is only way possible to make a one vote one citizen over 18 cast their vote. this is not impossible. It was achieved by making a 3/5 slave vote for plantation to a one man vote further amended to include one citizen over 21 with women's suffrage and again when lowering the voting age to 18.

    It is possible that the will of the people and the subsequent 3/4 ratification to remove the college, but don't hate the players hate the rules.



    Hate the smug people who say inaccurate things to rub it in the nose of the opposite voter.

    Nobody won in this election but the elite, but that is the case with every election.
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