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When I started playing N/L, a guy told me once, "you have to always respect the board".
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Quote Originally Posted by PocketJacks:
I think the cards might have a little something to do with who wins or who loses.
maybe in the short run...and definitely for weaker/newer players it does
but if you know every single player at the table....i mean you have really figured them out....you can win with lesser cards
i will rephrase my advice:
"to become a great No Limit Hold'em player you need to learn to play the players first...then play the cards"
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Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:
"to become a great No Limit Hold'em player you need to learn to play the players first...then play the cards"
I don't think playing the players is bad advice......but I think in your quote above you have it backwards......first you need to learn how to play the cards.....then worry about playing players. I think if you try to play players before knowing how to play the cards solidly you are setting yourself up for a world of problems. I can't count the number of times I've scooped a pot and had the loser tell me that they thought I was "weak"...........I was fairly screaming my hand to them, but they went with their "instinct".........anyway, that's my two cents. I'm not disagreeing with you and I definitely think you need to learn to play players, I just think you need to learn to play cards first.
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Quote Originally Posted by mmac66:
I don't think playing the players is bad advice......but I think in your quote above you have it backwards......first you need to learn how to play the cards.....then worry about playing players. I think if you try to play players before knowing how to play the cards solidly you are setting yourself up for a world of problems. I can't count the number of times I've scooped a pot and had the loser tell me that they thought I was "weak"...........I was fairly screaming my hand to them, but they went with their "instinct".........anyway, that's my two cents. I'm not disagreeing with you and I definitely think you need to learn to play players, I just think you need to learn to play cards first.
I agree.
Playing the players is a huge part of winning, but you need to know the rules before you can break them.
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why is that Shitty advice? i would like to know
Because playing the cards is half of the game. Go watch High Stakes Poker or any card rooms. The majority of big pots involves monster hands.
maybe in the short run...and definitely for weaker/newer players it does
but if you know every single player at the table....i mean you have really figured them out....you can win with lesser cards
Tell me how you're going to win with two pair vs an opponent who has a set? Or top pair vs an opponent who has a ten high flush?
What makes me laugh is that I hear people constantly saying "a good player doesn't need cards to win". I would like to see a player win night after night with terrible hands. I like to see a player having a big month without flopping a set, or making a his draws.
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#19
This is true to an extent, when you have a weak and opponents have a weak hand, maybe better than yours, but generally it is tough to get someone to lay down 2 pair or better. Depending on the texture of the board though, like if there is an obvious straight, flush, etc. Sometimes you have to lay down a full house if you have the low end of the boat. It is about reading weakness, reading the action, but some guys will slow play the flop and then on the turn you hit something and wham they got you, just know what guys are capable of.
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Daniel Negraneau admitted that he had a bad YEAR of poker, and he knows how to play the player about as good as anyone. Regardless of how well you play your opposition, you still need to frequently catch cards.
Having the goods to win the pot at showdown is PARAMOUNT. Playing the player is less significant, but very important nonetheless.
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Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:
well i said to become a great NLHE player you need to learn to play the player first...a was already assuming the advice was for someone who already knew how to play....i should have made that a little more clear in my post...sorry
You did say great......and in that regard your point is valid.
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#23
Tell me how you're going to win with two pair vs an opponent who has a set? Or top pair vs an opponent who has a ten high flush?
Your not- but if you know the player you will lose the minimum when you are beat and make the maximum when you are ahead.
Ofcourse there are setup hands where it just doesnt matter what you do but those balance themselves out so its not worth worrying about.
There are players I would still in 2 grand in a 5/10 nl game with 3rd pair and others Id fold top 2 without much thought after putting in a decent bet and having them sping to life. Its amazing how many of these people are like puppets on a string and are so fucking passive unless they have an absolute monster. They will never ever fold an overpair when you have them beat and will happily call off their stack, but when they have you beat with the same overpair they make almost nothing out of you.
Saying the cards don't matter seems stupid at first, but in the long run if we all play enough hands we will all get the same cards and the better players will win.
As for Negranu-
1 year of playing 20 wsop event is not a significant sample of anything. He was exteremly lucky to win as much as he did a few years ago just as he is unlucky to have poor results this year.
Proof that you need cards to win: See Jamie Gold, that guy couldn't read a book, let alone other players at the table, but somehow won.
True in the short run cards matter a ton and he had a horseshoe up his ass. But if he keeps playing the high stakes NL games he has been playing he will be homeless in a few years.
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Quote Originally Posted by tkf18ny:
Tell me how you're going to win with two pair vs an opponent who has a set? Or top pair vs an opponent who has a ten high flush?
Your not- but if you know the player you will lose the minimum when you are beat and make the maximum when you are ahead.
Ofcourse there are setup hands where it just doesnt matter what you do but those balance themselves out so its not worth worrying about.
There are players I would still in 2 grand in a 5/10 nl game with 3rd pair and others Id fold top 2 without much thought after putting in a decent bet and having them sping to life. Its amazing how many of these people are like puppets on a string and are so fucking passive unless they have an absolute monster. They will never ever fold an overpair when you have them beat and will happily call off their stack, but when they have you beat with the same overpair they make almost nothing out of you.
Saying the cards don't matter seems stupid at first, but in the long run if we all play enough hands we will all get the same cards and the better players will win.
As for Negranu-
1 year of playing 20 wsop event is not a significant sample of anything. He was exteremly lucky to win as much as he did a few years ago just as he is unlucky to have poor results this year.
Proof that you need cards to win: See Jamie Gold, that guy couldn't read a book, let alone other players at the table, but somehow won.
True in the short run cards matter a ton and he had a horseshoe up his ass. But if he keeps playing the high stakes NL games he has been playing he will be homeless in a few years.
100% True
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