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Posted: #151
Quote Originally Posted by composite:

Can someone explain why going "tout" is such an evil thing?  If a fella starts posting winners, he's a hero to everyone.  But the moment he decides to sell them, he's ripped by everyone? Why?  If a fella wants to sell his picks, isn't it a free country? 

For the record, my capping sucks   , so no one needs to worry about me going "tout".


First of all, the guys who post here to go tout all do so with the same m.o. ... DECEPTION.
They act all professional, and try to be one of the guys, meanwhile all they are waiting for is a hot streak so they can get some followers, then they lure those followers to their twitter, where they complain about Covers unfair treatment, and start asking for money for their picks. This story gets played hundreds of times over, particularly during football season.

Let me ask you a question, Composite ... if this guy Stats was such a good handicapper, or 'statistician', why would he need to sell his picks? He could quietly bet them himself and make millions. Have you ever heard of Billy Walters? He is a guy who actually DOES win betting sports, yet it is impossible to get his picks, because he understands followers, or 'tailers' will actually work against him by creating too much action on his picks, thus moving the line.

This guy Stats has undoubtedly been on this site before ... he, like all the other touts, keep creating new alias's until they get one with a fast start, then they try to capitalize on that fast start by getting some guys who mistakenly believe that someone can win at a 70% clip over time, and they take their money for what is guaranteed to be losing plays. Why are the losses guaranteed? Because if anyone hits at 70% over the course of a given period, it is guaranteed over the near-term future they will fall back to the mean. This is a guarantee, which has been tried and proven MILLIONS of times over the decades. Good cappers hit in the low to mid 50% range. 90% of cappers are not good cappers.

Stats is not here to help you, nor anyone else. He has one objective, and that is to charge you money for his picks which he knows will be a losing proposition for you over the long haul ... but he cares little about that, he only wants your money.

I will say it again ... if any tout was such a good capper, they would simply quietly bet their own plays and make a lot of money.  

No one has a problem with Stats posting his plays for free here ... but when anyone starts self promoting themselves, and creating numerous alias's to blow smoke up their own asses, that is ALWAYS step 1 in the tout handbook on scamming people out of money.
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Posted: #152
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First of all, the guys who post here to go tout all do so with the same m.o. ... DECEPTION.
They act all professional, and try to be one of the guys, meanwhile all they are waiting for is a hot streak so they can get some followers, then they lure those followers to their twitter, where they complain about Covers unfair treatment, and start asking for money for their picks. This story gets played hundreds of times over, particularly during football season.

Let me ask you a question, Composite ... if this guy Stats was such a good handicapper, or 'statistician', why would he need to sell his picks? He could quietly bet them himself and make millions. Have you ever heard of Billy Walters? He is a guy who actually DOES win betting sports, yet it is impossible to get his picks, because he understands followers, or 'tailers' will actually work against him by creating too much action on his picks, thus moving the line.

This guy Stats has undoubtedly been on this site before ... he, like all the other touts, keep creating new alias's until they get one with a fast start, then they try to capitalize on that fast start by getting some guys who mistakenly believe that someone can win at a 70% clip over time, and they take their money for what is guaranteed to be losing plays. Why are the losses guaranteed? Because if anyone hits at 70% over the course of a given period, it is guaranteed over the near-term future they will fall back to the mean. This is a guarantee, which has been tried and proven MILLIONS of times over the decades. Good cappers hit in the low to mid 50% range. 90% of cappers are not good cappers.

Stats is not here to help you, nor anyone else. He has one objective, and that is to charge you money for his picks which he knows will be a losing proposition for you over the long haul ... but he cares little about that, he only wants your money.

I will say it again ... if any tout was such a good capper, they would simply quietly bet their own plays and make a lot of money.  

No one has a problem with Stats posting his plays for free here ... but when anyone starts self promoting themselves, and creating numerous alias's to blow smoke up their own asses, that is ALWAYS step 1 in the tout handbook on scamming people out of money.
 
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Posted: #153
Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


First of all, the guys who post here to go tout all do so with the same m.o. ... DECEPTION.
They act all professional, and try to be one of the guys, meanwhile all they are waiting for is a hot streak so they can get some followers, then they lure those followers to their twitter, where they complain about Covers unfair treatment, and start asking for money for their picks. This story gets played hundreds of times over, particularly during football season.

Let me ask you a question, Composite ... if this guy Stats was such a good handicapper, or 'statistician', why would he need to sell his picks? He could quietly bet them himself and make millions. Have you ever heard of Billy Walters? He is a guy who actually DOES win betting sports, yet it is impossible to get his picks, because he understands followers, or 'tailers' will actually work against him by creating too much action on his picks, thus moving the line.

This guy Stats has undoubtedly been on this site before ... he, like all the other touts, keep creating new alias's until they get one with a fast start, then they try to capitalize on that fast start by getting some guys who mistakenly believe that someone can win at a 70% clip over time, and they take their money for what is guaranteed to be losing plays. Why are the losses guaranteed? Because if anyone hits at 70% over the course of a given period, it is guaranteed over the near-term future they will fall back to the mean. This is a guarantee, which has been tried and proven MILLIONS of times over the decades. Good cappers hit in the low to mid 50% range. 90% of cappers are not good cappers.

Stats is not here to help you, nor anyone else. He has one objective, and that is to charge you money for his picks which he knows will be a losing proposition for you over the long haul ... but he cares little about that, he only wants your money.

I will say it again ... if any tout was such a good capper, they would simply quietly bet their own plays and make a lot of money.  

No one has a problem with Stats posting his plays for free here ... but when anyone starts self promoting themselves, and creating numerous alias's to blow smoke up their own asses, that is ALWAYS step 1 in the tout handbook on scamming people out of money.


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Posted: #154

Quote Originally Posted by Sosana:




When did Stats try to sell us something? and how many "made up" accounts did he actually post comments in his own thread? LOL

The answer that yet been answered. The stupidity on this site is beyond comprehensible. Now Covers.com has become the anti tout site...yet they promote scam artist books who lure customers with ridiculous bonus rollovers and then bail with the money. The irony of it all

Again can someone answer Sosana's question...when did Stats promote being selling picks? But last year an obvious tout (Jlb) posted for MONTHS! Found his loophole to bail covers.com when he started getting harrassed and in less than 24 hours was selling picks. Yet Stats has NO following and his boxed. I guess Covers's Secret Service did their homework and shut down operations before it got too far 

Where were these internet police last year? Don't worry I'll wait

 
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^ The question that has yet to be answered

Hugh Jordan speaks against Touts as if they are holding a gun to people's head and forcing them to buy their picks? Humans have something called Free Will. How are you going to tell someone what they should or should not buy or better yet should not sell. This is a capitalist society. A large amount of the goods cosumers buy year in and year out sell PURELY on great marketing. A tout markets his picks. I have no problem with it. No different than the many attention whoring "cappers" who promote their garbage for FREE. At least some "tout" is taking advantage of the capitalist society we live in and making a profit.

But lets not get away from the facts...STats did NOT promote a site, a twitter, or him being a tout. Per the linesman he made some "bogus" accounts to bump his threads. I hope in the future when I see bogus accounts fill this forum with derogatory/abusive language that their IP address/main screen name is placed IMMEDIATELY in the PB. Seeming how Stats was placed with the same quickness Sunday night after going 7-2

 

 
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Posted: #156
The guy wasn't selling anything. He was just posting his picks for free. If he was trying to sell them then yes, I could see the problem
 
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Posted: #157

Quote Originally Posted by xianshino:

The guy wasn't selling anything. He was just posting his picks for free. If he was trying to sell them then yes, I could see the problem

 

 

GT rollin....

 
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Posted: #158
He wasn't boxed for selling picks.

He was boxed for creating aliases.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by standuley:

 

 

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So far so good! Clemson on the horizon tho
 
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Quote Originally Posted by starwink:

He wasn't boxed for selling picks.

He was boxed for creating aliases.


This has been said by myself and Wall several times but everyone just chooses to ignore those posts and claim conspiracy theory.

These same people also seem to think that the moderators (some of whom...have been doing their jobs for many years) haven't seen this same thing time and time again. And it continues to follow the same path...

1. Poster starts winning.
2. Poster starts getting praised.
3. Poster creates aliases to presumably create more attention for themselves (and for the record, it doesn't matter the intention...aliases are a boxable offense)
4. Poster gets boxed for these aliases.
5. Poster then goes on twitter and claims Covers banned them for posting winners.
6. Poster's followers come and whine that Covers is a crappy site that bans winners.

Number 1-6 have already happened. Here's what may or may not come BUT...the fact that the first 6 things have already occurred, it's not hard to believe that the next will follow:

7. People start following poster on twitter.
8. Poster starts charging for picks.
9. Poster begins to only hit at a 55% or lower clip.
10. Poster's followers bail and come back to Covers (the same site they claimed was crappy) to find another person to follow.

Repeat ad nauseum.

Now...you all can believe what you want to believe but I honestly wouldn't have to make my own bets if someone gave me $50 for every time I've seen this happen just in the last 2 years alone.
 
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oh dear.................
 
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weeble telling it like it is........................

shove that up your ass stat-loser-saf-newbie-lovers...................

 

 
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Posted: #163

Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



This has been said by myself and Wall several times but everyone just chooses to ignore those posts and claim conspiracy theory.

These same people also seem to think that the moderators (some of whom...have been doing their jobs for many years) haven't seen this same thing time and time again. And it continues to follow the same path...

1. Poster starts winning.
2. Poster starts getting praised.
3. Poster creates aliases to presumably create more attention for themselves (and for the record, it doesn't matter the intention...aliases are a boxable offense)
4. Poster gets boxed for these aliases.
5. Poster then goes on twitter and claims Covers banned them for posting winners.
6. Poster's followers come and whine that Covers is a crappy site that bans winners.

Number 1-6 have already happened. Here's what may or may not come BUT...the fact that the first 6 things have already occurred, it's not hard to believe that the next will follow:

7. People start following poster on twitter.
8. Poster starts charging for picks.
9. Poster begins to only hit at a 55% or lower clip.
10. Poster's followers bail and come back to Covers (the same site they claimed was crappy) to find another person to follow.

Repeat ad nauseum.

Now...you all can believe what you want to believe but I honestly wouldn't have to make my own bets if someone gave me $50 for every time I've seen this happen just in the last 2 years alone.

And I hope you will use this same due dilligence to clean this board up from the trolling, internet thugs, and racial hurlers that this board seems to attract  

 
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Posted: #164

Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:



then why do you suppose he was making aliases to fluff himself? because he is an honest guy?

And your mentality is who Im addressing. I get it...he got boxed for the aliases. But to box someone BECAUSE YOU THINK they are going tout is ridiculous and uninstantiated. How about we start boxing anyone who uses a homophobic slur or even a racial slur because using your mentality they will go on to create future racial/and or anti gay/lesbian propoganda that will lead to bigger problems.

See what I did there...yeh its ridiculous but thus is the issue at hand.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by starwink:

He wasn't boxed for selling picks.

He was boxed for creating aliases.

You should directly direct that to Hugh_Jordan because that has been known for 2 days now. Its Hugh that is going on an anti tout campagin which has NOTHING to do with this. The reason it has nothing to do with this is because Stats has not sold any picks or promoted said business on Covers.com

Just stating the facts...nothing directed at you

 
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This discussion of "is he or is he not a tout" has reminded of one of my favorite Dave Chappelle bits of comedy:

"The girl says, 'Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a person!' Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is fucking CONFUSING! It just is.

Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, 'Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!'

'OH-H0H!!! Just because I'm DRESSED this way does not make me a police officer!'
All right, ladies, fine. You are not a person. But you are wearing a person's uniform.""




This clown may not be a tout. But he is is wearing a tout's uniform.

 
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First of all, the name is Hugh Jorgan .. is that so difficult for you to get right?

Did I ever suggest Stats was boxed for being a tout, or an alleged tout?
It was stated on the first page what he was boxed for.

You have posted incorrect information this entire thread ... now you want to claim you are just stating facts? Please don't confuse your ignorant opinions with facts. 

As for my "anti tout campaign" ... I will once again clear up something for you. I am less opposed to touts than I am opposed to a tout being deceptive in order to achieve financial gain.

You are now boring me. Cya, Smeke_L


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In all my years of betting on sports & capping them, there is one thing that is 100% true. If someone has a program/system or whatever else you want to call it & its winning at a high percentage & you can make alot of money off of, why in the world would you sell these picks & not bet them yourself & make a ton of money w/o having the line move against you.

On the other hand, this Stats guy good be a good guy & just wants to help everyone else & could be a millionaire already & just wants the books to lose money, I dont know about everyone else but I love it when the man takes a beating..........anyway, those are my thoughts.

Just keep posting dude but if you are trying to reel people in for the ultimate "tout" business, its not tolerated on this site, good luck either way................
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

First of all, the name is Hugh Jorgan .. is that so difficult for you to get right?

Did I ever suggest Stats was boxed for being a tout, or an alleged tout?
It was stated on the first page what he was boxed for.

You have posted incorrect information this entire thread ... now you want to claim you are just stating facts? Please don't confuse your ignorant opinions with facts. 

As for my "anti tout campaign" ... I will once again clear up something for you. I am less opposed to touts than I am opposed to a tout being deceptive in order to achieve financial gain.

You are now boring me. Cya, Smeke_L




Hes lucky he was only boxed & not banned..........you can eventually get out of the penalty box.
 
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Stats explained himself in various portions of his threads. The dude likes #s and from what I can see,has been rather diligent in his money management system using the Kelly criterion. If he created aliases, oh well, people benefited from his posts. I can't recall him promoting any sort of pay-for-picks in his posts,and I doubt (this doubt only coming from interpreting his intentions VIA his posts) that he would begin to implement a business plan such as a scamdicapper. There are a few people around who are out to help others find a consistent way to beat the books.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

First of all, the name is Hugh Jorgan .. is that so difficult for you to get right?

Did I ever suggest Stats was boxed for being a tout, or an alleged tout?
It was stated on the first page what he was boxed for.

You have posted incorrect information this entire thread ... now you want to claim you are just stating facts? Please don't confuse your ignorant opinions with facts. 

As for my "anti tout campaign" ... I will once again clear up something for you. I am less opposed to touts than I am opposed to a tout being deceptive in order to achieve financial gain.

You are now boring me. Cya, Smeke_L


2 things...where was Stats deception, all of his plays were posted? And second where was it stated that he was a tout again? Because I did not see that post. I must have missed it. Either way this entire thread you are screaming to hell and back to kill all touts and now you are ONLY sympathetic to honest touts? You have no idea how to even cover up half the BS you write .... you obviosuly don't know if your coming or going on this matter...and it IS STILL YET TO BE PROVEN that Stats is a tout. So stop mentioning it!

I mean what in the world is this hiporocrisy you speak with did you really call me ignorant? The author of this post below calls me ignorant...lord take me now because Im ready

 

QUOTE Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

Hey fucknuts .... who the fuck needs your personal opinion? 

The douche monger whose cock your hanging on created a bunch of alias's just to kiss his own ass, and somehow you feel you are owed proof of this?!?!?!? 

Furthermore, if you are too fucking stupid to see this asshole Stats fucktard is here for one purpose, and that's to take your money charging for his picks, then you are beyond help. 

Now STFU and go back to whatever forum you came from, sack licker 

Hey fucknuts ... 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hey Stats... err.... NewEra -- he was boxed for creating aliases, and I'm gonna go with a wild guess here that you might just be one of his aliases. Maybe.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Smoke_O:

And I hope you will use this same due dilligence to clean this board up from the trolling, internet thugs, and racial hurlers that this board seems to attract  



We box all of those kinds of people that you just listed. But even with 6 or 7 mods, we can't catch them all, and rely on you guys to PM us or post in the help section.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NewEraNaciremA:

Stats explained himself in various portions of his threads. The dude likes #s and from what I can see,has been rather diligent in his money management system using the Kelly criterion. If he created aliases, oh well, people benefited from his posts. I can't recall him promoting any sort of pay-for-picks in his posts,and I doubt (this doubt only coming from interpreting his intentions VIA his posts) that he would begin to implement a business plan such as a scamdicapper. There are a few people around who are out to help others find a consistent way to beat the books.

And I agree with your sentiments above. Guy gets boxed he's labeled the anti Christ because he bumped his own thread using an alias. Yet people create aliases EVERY DAY on here to post lude and hateful comments yet from the naked eye there are no punishments dwelved out. That is my issue...it is way bigger than this Stats poster. Its the principle of that matter.

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



We box all of those kinds of people that you just listed. But even with 6 or 7 mods, we can't catch them all, and rely on you guys to PM us or post in the help section.

Fair enough

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