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    So, from the most biased arm of the liberal-democrat media, comes this Sunday poll:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-clinton-holds-four-point-lead-in-aftermath-of-trump-tape/ar-AAj0jVs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

    After all of the BS and manufactured scandal, Hillary only leads by 4 points?

    After the GOP pulls all support for Trump, the Obama's stump hard for Clinton, and the non-stop loop that the Trump tape has been on for the last week? ???

    And only 4 measly points!!!


    Helll, the standard margin of error for any of this polls is 4 points!!!!

    It looks like playing Trump at 5.5/1 and hedging out is going to be a good strategy.....especially after he releases his tax returns, goes on offense Wednesday night, and Wiki leaks dumps their big surprise.

    I am smelling an upset......   

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    So, from the most biased arm of the liberal-democrat media, comes this Sunday poll:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-clinton-holds-four-point-lead-in-aftermath-of-trump-tape/ar-AAj0jVs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

    After all of the BS and manufactured scandal, Hillary only leads by 4 points?

    After the GOP pulls all support for Trump, the Obama's stump hard for Clinton, and the non-stop loop that the Trump tape has been on for the last week? ???

    And only 4 measly points!!!


    Helll, the standard margin of error for any of this polls is 4 points!!!!

    It looks like playing Trump at 5.5/1 and hedging out is going to be a good strategy.....especially after he releases his tax returns, goes on offense Wednesday night, and Wiki leaks dumps their big surprise.

    I am smelling an upset......   

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 9:09 AM ET #2

    *these polls


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    *these polls


     
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    National polls aren't as reliable as State polls in predicting election results.  Also State polls aren't as accurate as gambling markets according to research at various universities. Gamblers risk their money and care about winning or losing.  Whereas poll respondents may not care about telling the truth.  Recently, public money is overwhelmingly on Clinton. 
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    National polls aren't as reliable as State polls in predicting election results.  Also State polls aren't as accurate as gambling markets according to research at various universities. Gamblers risk their money and care about winning or losing.  Whereas poll respondents may not care about telling the truth.  Recently, public money is overwhelmingly on Clinton. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 9:32 AM ET #4

    I agree. That is why this is a solid betting opportunity.

    Clinton is overbought due directly to the public's perception of the race itself, which is largely a product of the media.

    If I was in the position of betting Clinton at -700 ish (the price most of last week), I would be optimistic at my chances of winning the wager, but I would also understand that I have likely bought in at the worst price. Bad business.


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    I agree. That is why this is a solid betting opportunity.

    Clinton is overbought due directly to the public's perception of the race itself, which is largely a product of the media.

    If I was in the position of betting Clinton at -700 ish (the price most of last week), I would be optimistic at my chances of winning the wager, but I would also understand that I have likely bought in at the worst price. Bad business.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 9:35 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    National polls aren't as reliable as State polls in predicting election results.  Also State polls aren't as accurate as gambling markets according to research at various universities. Gamblers risk their money and care about winning or losing.  Whereas poll respondents may not care about telling the truth.  Recently, public money is overwhelmingly on Clinton. 

    Because the public are so accurate at predicting things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    National polls aren't as reliable as State polls in predicting election results.  Also State polls aren't as accurate as gambling markets according to research at various universities. Gamblers risk their money and care about winning or losing.  Whereas poll respondents may not care about telling the truth.  Recently, public money is overwhelmingly on Clinton. 

    Because the public are so accurate at predicting things.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 12:02 PM ET #6

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.
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    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day. Have you not been following this election at all? It's been big development after development, Trump has weathered his storm, Will Hillary be able to do the same if something fell at her feet in these last few weeks, Who knows? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day. Have you not been following this election at all? It's been big development after development, Trump has weathered his storm, Will Hillary be able to do the same if something fell at her feet in these last few weeks, Who knows? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    Sounds like you had better head over to Bookmaker and bet the rent on Hillary -700.

    4 points.....!

    I hate to break it to you, but the national polls always slant to the libs because of where the population centers reside and where the polls originate....do you think that when they poll Ohio and Florida the same cross section is taken from rural counties or urban? Republican and democrat?

    There are more discrepancies in polling data than nearly any other pseudoscientific endeavor.

    As I said in a different thread, the only polling data that is relevant is the proprietary data that each candidate's campaign has invested millions into......and that stuff never is available for public dissemination.

    Bottom line:  Trump wins everywhere Romney won, and likely carries Florida......Ohio is going to be real close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    Sounds like you had better head over to Bookmaker and bet the rent on Hillary -700.

    4 points.....!

    I hate to break it to you, but the national polls always slant to the libs because of where the population centers reside and where the polls originate....do you think that when they poll Ohio and Florida the same cross section is taken from rural counties or urban? Republican and democrat?

    There are more discrepancies in polling data than nearly any other pseudoscientific endeavor.

    As I said in a different thread, the only polling data that is relevant is the proprietary data that each candidate's campaign has invested millions into......and that stuff never is available for public dissemination.

    Bottom line:  Trump wins everywhere Romney won, and likely carries Florida......Ohio is going to be real close.

     
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    Bottom line:  Trump wins everywhere Romney won, and likely carries Florida......Ohio is going to be real close

    Romney lost 332-206 - Even if Trump wins Florida and Ohio, he still loses. Like I said, put this thread in the fantasy section.

    Trump backers have to rely on WikiLeaks and Russia to get some dirt on Clinton, whereas Clinton backers just have to rely on people that have actually met Trump to get the goods on him.
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    Bottom line:  Trump wins everywhere Romney won, and likely carries Florida......Ohio is going to be real close

    Romney lost 332-206 - Even if Trump wins Florida and Ohio, he still loses. Like I said, put this thread in the fantasy section.

    Trump backers have to rely on WikiLeaks and Russia to get some dirt on Clinton, whereas Clinton backers just have to rely on people that have actually met Trump to get the goods on him.
     
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    Dear Mr Putin, please hurry, we're running out of time.

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    Dear Mr Putin, please hurry, we're running out of time.

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    Russia!

    When in doubt, blame Russia.......more proof that Hillary will have the US in a shooting war with Putin by the end of her first term.

    As for the electorates:

    Colorado (9) is in play, Iowa (6), Nevada (6)....with Ohio(18) and Florida(29) that makes a 68 vote swing......

    That puts Trump at 274......if Pennsylvania flips it turns convincing quickly.

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    Russia!

    When in doubt, blame Russia.......more proof that Hillary will have the US in a shooting war with Putin by the end of her first term.

    As for the electorates:

    Colorado (9) is in play, Iowa (6), Nevada (6)....with Ohio(18) and Florida(29) that makes a 68 vote swing......

    That puts Trump at 274......if Pennsylvania flips it turns convincing quickly.

     
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    Don't worry she will win.  They only have to fix the polls in 1 swing state.  You really think the powers that be will allow Trump to win?  I don't think so.  They are way too powerful.  
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    Don't worry she will win.  They only have to fix the polls in 1 swing state.  You really think the powers that be will allow Trump to win?  I don't think so.  They are way too powerful.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day. Have you not been following this election at all? It's been big development after development, Trump has weathered his storm, Will Hillary be able to do the same if something fell at her feet in these last few weeks, Who knows? 

    So you think there is no more ugly dirt on Trump?

    Wrong...

    They can throw a story a day and there would be plenty left to last for the rest of the year...Trump dug his hole for decades and it is why he will lose. He is an egotistical jerk, I am glad he is damaging his brand, he deserves it.
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    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day. Have you not been following this election at all? It's been big development after development, Trump has weathered his storm, Will Hillary be able to do the same if something fell at her feet in these last few weeks, Who knows? 

    So you think there is no more ugly dirt on Trump?

    Wrong...

    They can throw a story a day and there would be plenty left to last for the rest of the year...Trump dug his hole for decades and it is why he will lose. He is an egotistical jerk, I am glad he is damaging his brand, he deserves it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 9:52 PM ET #14

     Ahhhhh yes another "it's closer than people think" comments on the election. Can't you just see Trump supporters getting their weiners hard at the thought. 

    Tell ya what BigVern you are right. TREMENDOUS value right now with Trump. Spend that hardness earned money on making America great again. 
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     Ahhhhh yes another "it's closer than people think" comments on the election. Can't you just see Trump supporters getting their weiners hard at the thought. 

    Tell ya what BigVern you are right. TREMENDOUS value right now with Trump. Spend that hardness earned money on making America great again. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2016 - 10:08 PM ET #15

    this thread reminds me of the village idiot who still had enron stock when it was 5-8 dollars telling other people it will go back to 10-15$

    give it a break. morons will be morons.
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    this thread reminds me of the village idiot who still had enron stock when it was 5-8 dollars telling other people it will go back to 10-15$

    give it a break. morons will be morons.
     
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    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day

    MORE worried about the Russians hacking the vote count servers in states like Florida and Ohio. they obviously support Trump and could STEAL it for him
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    All it takes is some more Russian hacking and a big wikileaks story to surface and Hillary's odds could come down from -600 to -150 before election day

    MORE worried about the Russians hacking the vote count servers in states like Florida and Ohio. they obviously support Trump and could STEAL it for him
     
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    the election will be called 5 hours in by all networks. 
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    the election will be called 5 hours in by all networks. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:


    MORE worried about the Russians hacking the vote count servers in states like Florida and Ohio. they obviously support Trump and could STEAL it for him

    Trump can't win, and that has been the case since day one ... 

    BUT ...

    I would be more worried about the Dems hacking the vote count servers in states like ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:


    MORE worried about the Russians hacking the vote count servers in states like Florida and Ohio. they obviously support Trump and could STEAL it for him

    Trump can't win, and that has been the case since day one ... 

    BUT ...

    I would be more worried about the Dems hacking the vote count servers in states like ...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2016 - 8:31 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    the election will be called 5 hours in by all networks. 

    This is true.


    Of course, there will be a movement to call it before November 8 due to absentee voting in Florida and Ohio.

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    the election will be called 5 hours in by all networks. 

    This is true.


    Of course, there will be a movement to call it before November 8 due to absentee voting in Florida and Ohio.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So you think there is no more ugly dirt on Trump?

    Wrong...

    They can throw a story a day and there would be plenty left to last for the rest of the year...Trump dug his hole for decades and it is why he will lose. He is an egotistical jerk, I am glad he is damaging his brand, he deserves it.

    Wow. Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Trump. Did he stiff you on some scaffolding? Payroll issues? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So you think there is no more ugly dirt on Trump?

    Wrong...

    They can throw a story a day and there would be plenty left to last for the rest of the year...Trump dug his hole for decades and it is why he will lose. He is an egotistical jerk, I am glad he is damaging his brand, he deserves it.

    Wow. Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Trump. Did he stiff you on some scaffolding? Payroll issues? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainman11111:

    this thread reminds me of the village idiot who still had enron stock when it was 5-8 dollars telling other people it will go back to 10-15$

    give it a break. morons will be morons.

    That is a pretty good one....Enron hit the rocks fast.....not sure that there was time to buy at 5$!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainman11111:

    this thread reminds me of the village idiot who still had enron stock when it was 5-8 dollars telling other people it will go back to 10-15$

    give it a break. morons will be morons.

    That is a pretty good one....Enron hit the rocks fast.....not sure that there was time to buy at 5$!!!

     
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    Wasn't Hillary naked shorting Enron?
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    Why can't Don just keep his mouth closed for awhile. Fox news can barely defend him. 
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    I bet on Hillary and I am not worried 
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2016 - 4:08 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    Yeah but that would be having the taking a logical and rational approach looking at reality to come up with a view 

    And this guy is...  well... ummm...  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    This thread should be moved to the "fantasy" section, cause dude, your dreamin. There aren't enough angry white guys to carry the vote. Remember, popular vote means nothing. Look at the state by state breakdowns. He's getting clubbed.

    Yeah but that would be having the taking a logical and rational approach looking at reality to come up with a view 

    And this guy is...  well... ummm...  

    Not that...
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