Posted:
#76
abaum87
KOAJ
KOAJ
The silence provides evidence mta finally accepts that he has no game.Good Job Guys 
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Economic models predict clear Obama win in November
Posted:
#77
69, it's so true. Best part is Obama is literally jumping ship from all the talking points he defeated Hillary on.
I thought this was a problem we couldn't drill our way out of. One liners don't work. Drilling relieves prices short term while we develop solutions for oil independence long term. But this fool would rather pander to left wing loons. LOL. MTA must feel pretty stupid right about now. What happened to all thsoe facts and articles? Guess it was all BS. Now Obamas for fighting wars overseas and drilling. LOL. FLIP...FLOP
All the dems had to do was nominate Hillary and they would've had a sure fire victory but they chose the inexperienced community organizer that's a 20 year member of a racist church.
Obama is clueless and has no backbone....
Exhibit A: Marrying Michelle Obama.
Exhibit B: The Rev. Wright.
Exhibit C: Refusing to accept that the surge has worked.
Exhibit D: Reversing his position on the fact that producing oil within the States will relieve gas prices in the short term.
Exhibit E: Throwing his own grandmother under the bus to save his political career.
Looks like he's misguided as usual & McCain was right. Seems to be a trend lately. It's time to fade Obama...
What to the Dems have left?
McCains old and they'll try and tie him to the Buish administration.
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Posted:
#79
i do find this thread quite funny that the people who wouldnt know
a fact if it smacked them in the face are claiming i cut and run and
dont back up my statements- that is way funny
so i come home from a charity golf tournament on saturday and
start to post some replys to my little friends when my wife comes
to me with my suitcases and tells me she has a surprise for me
5 days and 4 nights at an out of away retreat just me and her
imagine my dilemna- go and spend this quality time with my wife
or engage in the drivel that guys like mets-koaj-slim and ab have
to offer
as you can see spending the time with my wife than dealing with
guys who have an iq of a peanut wasnt that difficult
and mets as i have stated before unlike yourself when spending
time with my family i am not that sad of a person that i need to
break away and post on a sports forum like you have to do- that
was one of the saddest things i have ever seen that a man when
on holiday with his family needs to take time away to post here
pretty damn sad
now i will do my best to answer all the questions or comments
that were posted
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Posted:
#81
Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
MTA, explain/rationalize Obamas ties to a radical & racist church with facts and links please...
TY, you'll prob. avoid and hide from thsi question.
I can use these tactics on your candidate as well my friend.
ab have you ever gone to this church to come up with the
conclusion that is a radical/racist church?
if you havent gone to the church and witness for yourself what
they do and are simply watching 2 minute tidbits on tv of what
wright stated then you may want to actually find out all the truth
such as listen to all of the sermons and not just a 2 minute sound
bite- you also may want to find out what was said and done in this
church under wright for the other 35-40 years
as i have said to you before my father has always been my hero
the man i most respect a man i tried to model myself after but
my father is also pro union and pro catholic church- and i am
neither and actually against both- intelligent people can come up
with their own thoughts and opinions on life now if you are told
how to feel or who to like then that says more about you than
anything else
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Posted:
#82
Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:
i have to say mets one of your funnier lines i have seen
He runs and hides when presented with facts.
still waiting to hear from you on whether bush sr and powell
are "appeasing pussies" as you like to put it? you would not
know a fact if it smacked you in the face and need to copy and
paste all of your thoughts or wait until foxnews tells you what
your thought of the day is
Last week he even made an alias " Jambolaya" that has since been boxed or banned.
sorry dont need to lower myself to the level that you do with
coming up with alias'
He also will try to change the subject, and deflect by name calling and insults.
try answering a question and you may have a right to even
comment on this
Sarasota Slim and I use to just brutalize him with facts and knowledge over in the politics forum, where he finally just gave up, or stooped to name calling and accusations.
i have to say mets one of your funnier lines i have seenfrom ya- you two do more crying like scared little school
girls when fox news cant give you your answer
next
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Posted:
#83
Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
69, I wlecome a good debate but he sits on a high horse. It's ridiculous.
In this thread he's actually made the argument more than once that Obama's not an anti-war candidate. There's simply no debating someone that will not concede to any points. He talks about facts but politics is rarely decided on facts. It's ideas and concepts. Facts are obviously useful but what is a "fact"?
We can debate issues and character all day but MTA would rather sit in his ivory tower and take cheap shots at posters and candidates. He posts Obama quotes and campaign slogans and thinks he holds some sort of higher ground if you don't respond with a quote or "fact" to contradict him.
Bottom line is if you;ve "LISTENED" to both candidates speak, certainly neither has been consistent but Obama has drastically shifted from his anti-war base to this new middle ground where he wants to finsish the job in Afghanistan. I'm pretty sure that's what McCain has been saying.
Let's get out of Iraq but not cut and run. Obama initially wanted to cut and run. In his grand speeches he touted that he would start removing troops on day one and that was long before the surge was successful and Iraq was considered a disaster by most experts. We don't hear that same banter anymore from Obama.
Obamas new favorite line is that there was an awakening by the sunnis that has improved the conditions in Iraq. But how could there have ever been an any awakening if we didn't remove Hussein?
Obamas new favorite line is that there was an awakening by the sunnis that has improved the conditions in Iraq. But how could there have ever been an any awakening if we didn't remove Hussein?
what the hell are you talking about?
ab first a debate is based on facts- not what you have to offer
big difference
second why would i concede he is anti war when his position has
been simple- out of iraq and more focus back in afghanistan where
it should of been- i have asked you to provide a link with this anti
war position that you keep claiming and again nothing from ya
facts make a debate not your silly little beliefs
imagine somebody like you claims something i post a fact and
back it up with links so yes i am on higher ground because i live
in the real world and not the world you seem to be living in
obama has stated all along day one he will get his military people
to draw up a plan to start removing the troops from iraq- dont know
how much more clear this can be to ya
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Posted:
#84
Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:
Welcome to mtaland. He claims he is a "conservative" but is hoping Obama wins so the GOP gets refocused.
dont let facts get in the way- but when have i said i am a
'conservative'? i am a realist who leans to the right and yes
i want obama to win so hopefully the right get their act straight
4 years from now
Of course he is against EVERY Republican platform, not just things relating to Obama and McCain.
once again clueless one completely wrong- i am for lower taxes
but not corporate welfare that worked 40 years ago but not today-
i am for offshore drilling and applauded mccain for reversing his
position and stated i hope obama does the same but i do want
both candidates to keep all options going forward and not just stop
with offshore drilling
He ridicules and insults only moderates and conservatives, yet he never has a bad words to say about liberals ( but he still claims he is a conservative )
read above clueless one- i have bad words for you-slim-ab because
you three are clueless and need foxnews to give you your opinions
and i have bad words for koaj because he at least stated he didnt
know the facts but still spews misinformation without after
admitting not knowing not finding out the facts now
You see the way he talks to you, he has done the same to Sarasota, me and KOAJ.
KOAJ must be the most laid back guy in the world. I did absolutely NOTHING, and a mod with a grudge threw me in here, no explanation, no timetable given.
sorry mets thought i read your best line earlier but
this one takes the cake
KOAJ takes the insults, and just argues back facts. Then mta spews the same rhetoric and insults.
I know KOAJ is involved with finance somehow, but, I would lay odds he is involved with sales / schmoozing somehow.
That is the only way he could have the temperament to deal with mta.
Look for mta to sneak back online sometime late tomorrow night or early Monday morning ( when all is quiet )
once again mets i dont break away from my family to post here
only sad little people like yourself do that
He will them flex his beer muscles, and repeat the same things he has posted 2,5,10 times before, regardless of how misinformed, or irrelevant.
next but thanks for the laugh mets- i guess guys with little minds
like yourself do come in handy for something a good laugh
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Posted:
#85
Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
I'm just flat out tired of his rhetoric. It's boring. His concept of Obama winning so the GOP will correct itself is lame. I'm not even that much of a conservative but I don't like Obama. There's soemthing fishy about this guy.
We still have no explanation as to why he attended that chruch. If McCain doesn't hammer him for that he deserves to lose. Give me control of the GOP and 72 hours and I'll tear this candidate and his wife to shreds. It's laughable only self loathing lefty's could somehow rationalize his associations away.
The Obama campaigns strategy for victory is to play the race card amd tie Bush to McCain. It's affirmative action at the highest level. Seriously, if you criticize him you're a racist, look no further than Bill Clinton. I believe the polls are misleading and many people don't want to say that they won't vote for Obama for fear of being tagged a racist. David Gergen of CNN plays the race card on a nightly basis.
I just hope McCain starts throwing some punches because Obama has a glass jaw. I was waiting for Hillary to take him down but she waited far too long before she took off the gloves but once she did Obama got smoked. The DNC bailed his ass out. Again fear offending the black community.
Come election day I think the votes will very very close.
the same hillary who had 25-30 point lead back in january
the same hillary who was the already coronated democratic
nominee
the same hillary who now needs obama financial help to get her
out of a 21 million dollar hole
thank you for the good laugh
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Posted:
#86
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
youll never get them either
youll never get them either
now as for you koaj- i am sorry that you dont like me because
unlike guys like mets and slim who will kiss your ass i wont and
call you out when you are wrong
but that statement is pretty much one of the sadder things you
have posted- ever since i have been here i have taken the time
to post and backup my statements whether you liked it or not
while somebody like mets will continue to copy and paste all day
long without providing the link or the source- when mets or slim
are asked a question and go running like scared little schoolgirls
and you make a comment like that towards myself
why exactly do you not post a comment like that to mets or slim
when they do one of their famous cutting and running exercises?
is it because they agree with you?
a leader is someone that is fair to all and not just to the people
who will kiss their ass- i use to have respect for you even though
i disagreed with much of your 1960s thinking but that has changed
with a comment like this while you turn a blind eye to the
ramblings of guys like mets and slim
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Posted:
#88
rink - to be clear, i did not box you or mta. abaum asked for links supporting mta's argument and a week later still no links. ive been in the same debates with him on various topics and have gotten no links when ive asked as well
i dont mind dissent, contradicting opinions, debate, etc as long as everyone respects each other in the politics forum. i would rather debate or argue as equals there but i still have that power given to me by covers. i have never used it as a partisan and if anything i've "under" moderated the politics forum so i can remain impartial as a moderator
one mod doesnt rule all...each of us work somewhat autonomously under the same guidelines with some discretionary power. sometimes we counsel with each other on bigger issues as well.
no need to respond back but ive always tried to be honest with whomever is boxed and hate being on a soapbox...so i'll get off now
i dont mind dissent, contradicting opinions, debate, etc as long as everyone respects each other in the politics forum. i would rather debate or argue as equals there but i still have that power given to me by covers. i have never used it as a partisan and if anything i've "under" moderated the politics forum so i can remain impartial as a moderator
one mod doesnt rule all...each of us work somewhat autonomously under the same guidelines with some discretionary power. sometimes we counsel with each other on bigger issues as well.
no need to respond back but ive always tried to be honest with whomever is boxed and hate being on a soapbox...so i'll get off now
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Posted:
#89
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
rink - to be clear, i did not box you or mta. abaum asked for links supporting mta's argument and a week later still no links. ive been in the same debates with him on various topics and have gotten no links when ive asked as well
i dont mind dissent, contradicting opinions, debate, etc as long as everyone respects each other in the politics forum. i would rather debate or argue as equals there but i still have that power given to me by covers. i have never used it as a partisan and if anything i've "under" moderated the politics forum so i can remain impartial as a moderator
one mod doesnt rule all...each of us work somewhat autonomously under the same guidelines with some discretionary power. sometimes we counsel with each other on bigger issues as well.
no need to respond back but ive always tried to be honest with whomever is boxed and hate being on a soapbox...so i'll get off now
rink - to be clear, i did not box you or mta. abaum asked for links supporting mta's argument and a week later still no links. ive been in the same debates with him on various topics and have gotten no links when ive asked as well
i dont mind dissent, contradicting opinions, debate, etc as long as everyone respects each other in the politics forum. i would rather debate or argue as equals there but i still have that power given to me by covers. i have never used it as a partisan and if anything i've "under" moderated the politics forum so i can remain impartial as a moderator
one mod doesnt rule all...each of us work somewhat autonomously under the same guidelines with some discretionary power. sometimes we counsel with each other on bigger issues as well.
no need to respond back but ive always tried to be honest with whomever is boxed and hate being on a soapbox...so i'll get off now
is that so koaj?
lets see ab asked me that question on 8/1/2008 at 7:14:51pm
right after i said i was now heading out to dinner
he then posted about me not answering the next afternoon and
you responded at 8/2/2008 at 3:52:21pm
now koaj math may not be a strong suit of mine but please tell
me how you get a week out of 20 hours?
you try to justify it as much as you can but everybody can see
the truth for what it is- also noticed you had no comment about
how you handle things with others who continue to cut and run
like your little friend mets and slim
also please let me know when you have asked a question of me
and i didnt give you the courtesy of answering it as best as i can?
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Posted:
#90
did you provide abaum with the links to support your argument? a week later is today...sorry 5 days. if there are links in this 90 post marathon, then forgive me as i read 1000 threads a day
re: your other accusation...i explained myself as best i could in complete honesty. read into it however you like.
ive always let you and others who disagree have at me as much as you want in the politics forum without partisan moderating
re: your other accusation...i explained myself as best i could in complete honesty. read into it however you like.
ive always let you and others who disagree have at me as much as you want in the politics forum without partisan moderating
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Posted:
#93
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
did you provide abaum with the links to support your argument? a week later is today...sorry 5 days. if there are links in this 90 post marathon, then forgive me as i read 1000 threads a day
re: your other accusation...i explained myself as best i could in complete honesty. read into it however you like.
ive always let you and others who disagree have at me as much as you want in the politics forum without partisan moderating
did you provide abaum with the links to support your argument? a week later is today...sorry 5 days. if there are links in this 90 post marathon, then forgive me as i read 1000 threads a day
re: your other accusation...i explained myself as best i could in complete honesty. read into it however you like.
ive always let you and others who disagree have at me as much as you want in the politics forum without partisan moderating
lets see ab asked me that question on 8/1/2008 at 7:14:51pm
right after i said i was now heading out to dinner
he then posted about me not answering the next afternoon and
you responded at 8/2/2008 at 3:52:21pm
now koaj math may not be a strong suit of mine but please tell
me how you get a week out of 20 hours?
you try to justify it as much as you can but everybody can see
the truth for what it is- also noticed you had no comment about
how you handle things with others who continue to cut and run
like your little friend mets and slim
keep spinning it as much as you like koaj because anybody
who has any intelligence would not be buying what you are trying
to sell
you post that comment 20 hours later and you want us to believe
you are talking about today
links to what by the way? he wanted me to post a link in how
i can justify obamas church
but again i do notice when i asked him for links on two statements
he made and never did you were deafly quiet- is that because
ab doesnt disagree with you?
so once again ab i have offered you the opportunity to prove me
wrong with actual facts and yet nothing from you at all- dont let
facts get in the way of a good fairytale
another opportunity for you
Obama has already moved from being the anti-war president to the let's start the same war all over again
lets start with this one and move on to the next
He did not vote on or against the war like he claims to so proudly.
And this fairy tale idea that he voted against the war
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Posted:
#94
Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
MTA, I'm sorry that you need links from me to prove to you that Obama was not a senator in the year 2000 and therefore couldn't have voted against the war. If you don't think theres this notion flying around that Obama was against this was before we ever entered it then we have nothing to really talk about. His campaign and pundits on nightly television pound viewers with the notion that Obama was opposed to this war from the it's inception. It's simply not true. It's not true because as a politician he was in no position to make such a judgement because he wasn't a senator.
What about this do you not understand?
If Obama were a Senator in 2000 and voted agianst the war I could understand this argument but it's simply not true. He acts as if he stood in the face of adversity and challenged the Senate and President. None of this happened. It's a fairy tale.
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Posted:
#96
Quote Originally Posted by mta6:
ab have you ever gone to this church to come up with the
conclusion that is a radical/racist church?
if you havent gone to the church and witness for yourself what
they do and are simply watching 2 minute tidbits on tv of what
wright stated then you may want to actually find out all the truth
such as listen to all of the sermons and not just a 2 minute sound
bite- you also may want to find out what was said and done in this
church under wright for the other 35-40 years
as i have said to you before my father has always been my hero
the man i most respect a man i tried to model myself after but
my father is also pro union and pro catholic church- and i am
neither and actually against both- intelligent people can come up
with their own thoughts and opinions on life now if you are told
how to feel or who to like then that says more about you than
anything else
MTA, I'm not religious but i've attended churches and temples. NEVER have I heard the that type of hate rhetoric spewed in any religious forum...
It's really quite sad that you can't concede the point that Obama has 20 year ties to a church that openly preaches an anti-white agenda... We saw tapes of what was said about Hilalry Clinton by father Phlegler... These are facts cause all of America has seen them with their own eyes...
So again please explain to my why Obama was associated with this church and why he denied knowing that this type hate speech was a part of his chruch experience...
Please provide links and articles...
TY
In regards to Obama being an anti war candidate... you're not worth talking to if you're unwilling to accept the fact that Obama ran as far left as possible during the primaries. He's only shifted toward the center since he's clinched the nomination...
His mantra was leave Iraq ASAP, Iraq was a faliure and we need to leave, this is just common knowledge... you know better...
Cut and run was his go to line during the primaries... Stop being foolish...
Let's have a serious debate or no need to respond...
Thanks for coming though
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Posted:
#97
ab i will ask you one last time- have you ever attended this
church to hear what is being preached? have you ever listened
to all those little snippets that were played or simply listened to
what you heard on tv? maybe you should try listening or reading to
all of the sermon before those little tidbits were taken from
you are taking a grand total of 10 minutes to make a determination
on a church that you have never attended- never witnessed what
they preach or what they do in the community- and this is 10
minutes of a preacher who preached there for 35-40 years doing
probably 3 or 4 sermons a week and countless hours of private
study
again my father has always been my hero but i am still against
unions and the catholic church even though he is devoted to both
i have enough intelligence to make up my own mind
wright is an idiot on some things i grant you that but you are
making determinations based on 10 minutes out of 35-40 years
of ministry
as for anti war- i have asked you repeatedly where has obama
ever stated he was anti war? he has stated quite clearly he is
anti iraq and pro afghanistan- i am also anti iraq and pro
afghanistan
anti war is just that against all wars- obama has been quite
consistent from the beginning iraq was a mistake when he
becomes potus one of his first goals is to start the pullout from
iraq and start putting more resources back in afghanastan
now please show me where he was anti war?
In regards to Obama being an anti war candidate... you're not worth talking to if you're unwilling to accept the fact that Obama ran as far left as possible during the primaries. He's only shifted toward the center since he's clinched the nomination...
His mantra was leave Iraq ASAP, Iraq was a faliure and we need to leave, this is just common knowledge... you know better...
Cut and run was his go to line during the primaries... Stop being foolish...
Let's have a serious debate or no need to respond...
you cant be this brain deficient can you? at the beginning of the
primaries his position was getting out of iraq- middle of the
primaries his position was getting out of iraq- now his position
is get out of iraq- but getting out of iraq does not make one
anti war especially when he has stated more resources under
his administration would be put back into afghanistan- remember
those people the ones who are still hiding there and in pakistan
that actually were the cause of 911 and the real threat to our
national security
debates are based on facts- learn some then get back to me
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Posted:
#98
MTA, you know what, will agree to disagree... I don't cliam that McCain is a perfect human beign that has lived a life without fault. Bottom line is you're rationalizing away the obvious for whatever eason and that's fine. You support Obama and that's okay. You're unwilling to address the fact this church is racially divisive. I don't doubt that this church does many good things but that does not explain why Senator Obama and his wife chose a church that openly preaches black liberation theology...
Did you not see what father Phlegler said about the Clintons?
This is a chruch... It's appauling...
Whatver... I will not respond to you anymore... Since you will not even concede to FACTS...
Thanks buddy...
GOSDPEED,
MY JETS GOT FAVRE, I REALLY DON"T CARE TO HAVE THIS DAY SPOILED BY A NIT WIT...
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Posted:
#100
Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
MTA, you know what, will agree to disagree... I don't claim that McCain is a perfect human being that has lived a life without fault. Bottom line is you're rationalizing away the obvious for whatever reason and that's fine. You support Obama and that's okay. You're unwilling to address the fact this church is racially divisive. I don't doubt that this church does many good things but that does not explain why Senator Obama and his wife chose a church that openly preaches black liberation theology...
Did you not see what father Phleger said about the Clintons?
This is a chruch... It's appauling...
Whatver... I will not respond to you anymore... Since you will not even concede to FACTS...
Thanks buddy...
GOSDPEED,
MY JETS GOT FAVRE, I REALLY DON"T CARE TO HAVE THIS DAY SPOILED BY A NIT WIT...
You once again gave mta a complete beat-down.
I suggest ignoring his rants though and contributing picks to the box.
I got boxed for continuing to educate mta ( I think that is why I got boxed the last time ) and was released in about 10-14 days after posting plays, and ignoring the clown.
I suggest the same approach may help you because after:
KOAJ
Sarasota,
You,
Me
all made him look like a fool, he still comes back for more.
It is like trying to kill a cockroach, once you go on the offensive, the cockroach runs and hides in he dark, and only comes out again when the coast is clear.
Hope to see you back in the politics forum soon
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