MTA, I'm sorry that you need links from me to prove to you that Obama was not a senator in the year 2000 and therefore couldn't have voted against the war. If you don't think theres this notion flying around that Obama was against this was before we ever entered it then we have nothing to really talk about. His campaign and pundits on nightly television pound viewers with the notion that Obama was opposed to this war from the it's inception. It's simply not true. It's not true because as a politician he was in no position to make such a judgement because he wasn't a senator.
What about this do you not understand?
If Obama were a Senator in 2000 and voted agianst the war I could understand this argument but it's simply not true. He acts as if he stood in the face of adversity and challenged the Senate and President. None of this happened. It's a fairy tale.
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MTA, I'm sorry that you need links from me to prove to you that Obama was not a senator in the year 2000 and therefore couldn't have voted against the war. If you don't think theres this notion flying around that Obama was against this was before we ever entered it then we have nothing to really talk about. His campaign and pundits on nightly television pound viewers with the notion that Obama was opposed to this war from the it's inception. It's simply not true. It's not true because as a politician he was in no position to make such a judgement because he wasn't a senator.
What about this do you not understand?
If Obama were a Senator in 2000 and voted agianst the war I could understand this argument but it's simply not true. He acts as if he stood in the face of adversity and challenged the Senate and President. None of this happened. It's a fairy tale.
Since 1990, Ha'Ivri has lived in the Jewish community of Kfar Tapuach, with his wife Mollie and their seven children. Mollie Ha'Ivri is the sister of Talia Kahane, wife of Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane.
The Ha'Ivri family grows organic olives and herbs, and produces olive oil. Ha'Ivri is in the works of building a small animal farm with his wife to serve her occupation of emotional therapist with the help of animals.
Since the murder of Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane, son of Rabbi Meir Kahane, David Ha'Ivri assumed responsibly for the continuation of the Kahane publications, printing new editions of many Rabbi Kahane classics that had been out of print for many years as well as translations, websites, and printed newsletters.
Since 1990, Ha'Ivri has lived in the Jewish community of Kfar Tapuach, with his wife Mollie and their seven children. Mollie Ha'Ivri is the sister of Talia Kahane, wife of Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane.
The Ha'Ivri family grows organic olives and herbs, and produces olive oil. Ha'Ivri is in the works of building a small animal farm with his wife to serve her occupation of emotional therapist with the help of animals.
Since the murder of Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane, son of Rabbi Meir Kahane, David Ha'Ivri assumed responsibly for the continuation of the Kahane publications, printing new editions of many Rabbi Kahane classics that had been out of print for many years as well as translations, websites, and printed newsletters.
using explosives or fire arms with intent to endanger the safety of individuals or cause substantial damage to property (including an attempt to leave an explosive-packed trailer outside a Palestinian girls school and hospital in East Jerusalem)
threatening and conspiring to carry out assassinations
soliciting funds and members for a terrorist organization
The State Department also says that the group is suspected of involvement in a number of low-level attacks since the start of the Second Intifada in 2000
using explosives or fire arms with intent to endanger the safety of individuals or cause substantial damage to property (including an attempt to leave an explosive-packed trailer outside a Palestinian girls school and hospital in East Jerusalem)
threatening and conspiring to carry out assassinations
soliciting funds and members for a terrorist organization
The State Department also says that the group is suspected of involvement in a number of low-level attacks since the start of the Second Intifada in 2000
"maybe its time to go and read some more stuff from terrorists
that you like to post here with what they have to say- glad
to see terrorists are people that you respect for their opinion"
Now you are going way too far ..and out of order... President Bill Clinton is not ,nor has he ever been a terrorist...........
PokerBroker is on to something stick to sports picks for awhile........ "and plz drop the "by his request" it only shows your not really getting with the rehab program ........being set-up for you......
He needs to get his mind right
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
"maybe its time to go and read some more stuff from terrorists
that you like to post here with what they have to say- glad
to see terrorists are people that you respect for their opinion"
Now you are going way too far ..and out of order... President Bill Clinton is not ,nor has he ever been a terrorist...........
PokerBroker is on to something stick to sports picks for awhile........ "and plz drop the "by his request" it only shows your not really getting with the rehab program ........being set-up for you......
MTA, I'm sorry that you need links from me to prove to you that Obama was not a senator in the year 2000 and therefore couldn't have voted against the war. If you don't think theres this notion flying around that Obama was against this was before we ever entered it then we have nothing to really talk about. His campaign and pundits on nightly television pound viewers with the notion that Obama was opposed to this war from the it's inception. It's simply not true. It's not true because as a politician he was in no position to make such a judgement because he wasn't a senator.
What about this do you not understand?
If Obama were a Senator in 2000 and voted agianst the war I could understand this argument but it's simply not true. He acts as if he stood in the face of adversity and challenged the Senate and President. None of this happened. It's a fairy tale.
please post a link to where he or his people said he voted against
iraq? i think he has stated it quite clear he was against it from the
beginning and what was john mccain saying at the same time
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States , or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
seems pretty much dead on with all of those statements
now what did john mccain have to say around the same time?
Of the prospect of war in Iraq, you said, "I believe that success will be fairly easy –" John McCain., September 24, 2002.
"I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time –" John McCain, September 29, 2002.
Of the ouster of Saddam and the Baathists: "There’s no doubt in my mind that once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators – " John McCain, March 24, 2003.
really johnand this is the man you want to tell us has
the judgement
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Quote Originally Posted by abaum87:
MTA, I'm sorry that you need links from me to prove to you that Obama was not a senator in the year 2000 and therefore couldn't have voted against the war. If you don't think theres this notion flying around that Obama was against this was before we ever entered it then we have nothing to really talk about. His campaign and pundits on nightly television pound viewers with the notion that Obama was opposed to this war from the it's inception. It's simply not true. It's not true because as a politician he was in no position to make such a judgement because he wasn't a senator.
What about this do you not understand?
If Obama were a Senator in 2000 and voted agianst the war I could understand this argument but it's simply not true. He acts as if he stood in the face of adversity and challenged the Senate and President. None of this happened. It's a fairy tale.
please post a link to where he or his people said he voted against
iraq? i think he has stated it quite clear he was against it from the
beginning and what was john mccain saying at the same time
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States , or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
seems pretty much dead on with all of those statements
now what did john mccain have to say around the same time?
Of the prospect of war in Iraq, you said, "I believe that success will be fairly easy –" John McCain., September 24, 2002.
"I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time –" John McCain, September 29, 2002.
Of the ouster of Saddam and the Baathists: "There’s no doubt in my mind that once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators – " John McCain, March 24, 2003.
really johnand this is the man you want to tell us has
Google your own links then tell us this is not a fact..........
In July of '04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how he would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
Later Alli-Gator............
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Google your own links then tell us this is not a fact..........
In July of '04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how he would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"
Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the [Iraq] war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war." Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.
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oh little alli-gator
Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"
Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the [Iraq] war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war." Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States , or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
seems pretty much dead on with all of those statements
now what did john mccain have to say around the same time?
Of the prospect of war in Iraq, you said, "I believe that success will be fairly easy –" John McCain., September 24, 2002.
"I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time –" John McCain, September 29, 2002.
Of the ouster of Saddam and the Baathists: "There’s no doubt in my mind that once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators – " John McCain, March 24, 2003
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But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States , or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?
seems pretty much dead on with all of those statements
now what did john mccain have to say around the same time?
Of the prospect of war in Iraq, you said, "I believe that success will be fairly easy –" John McCain., September 24, 2002.
"I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time –" John McCain, September 29, 2002.
Of the ouster of Saddam and the Baathists: "There’s no doubt in my mind that once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators – " John McCain, March 24, 2003
It isnt possible to correlate different economic eras and say because a Repub gets elected that X happens or if a DEM does.
I just see the market not liking Obama because he isnt pro-business and he is pro-socialist style government which means more debt, a weaker dollar and that means less concern about the financial health of the country, all of which I think are LEGIT concerns.
Obama only seems to want to TAX his way out of deficits, TAX business to pay for his social programs, and that does not sit well with the market in general..plus the guy has no experience and is buckshotting all over the map with no clear view of a future path.
Uncertainty is a stock market KILLER and Obama is full of uncertainty.
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Rat,
It isnt possible to correlate different economic eras and say because a Repub gets elected that X happens or if a DEM does.
I just see the market not liking Obama because he isnt pro-business and he is pro-socialist style government which means more debt, a weaker dollar and that means less concern about the financial health of the country, all of which I think are LEGIT concerns.
Obama only seems to want to TAX his way out of deficits, TAX business to pay for his social programs, and that does not sit well with the market in general..plus the guy has no experience and is buckshotting all over the map with no clear view of a future path.
Uncertainty is a stock market KILLER and Obama is full of uncertainty.
To me the number one item of importance the next four years is concerning the economy and our fiscal health, or lack thereof.
Outside energy and funding development there I see no issues even CLOSE importance wise, so yeah that is my sole focus.
The more we spend and tax, the FURTHER we fall behind as a country.
Now if Obama said he was going to tax and focus every single penny towards paying down the debt and improving our fiscal issues I would feel different, but every penny that he taxes more only goes to fund stupid ideas like that 1k deal and to fund his social agenda, which is a big mistake.
I love how his solution to a SS deficit is to TAX the current workers putting into the system rather than cutting benefits to those who make more than the average family does. Nah..tax tax tax and give discretionary money to those who earn more than the supposed social group he claims to represent.
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mta,
To me the number one item of importance the next four years is concerning the economy and our fiscal health, or lack thereof.
Outside energy and funding development there I see no issues even CLOSE importance wise, so yeah that is my sole focus.
The more we spend and tax, the FURTHER we fall behind as a country.
Now if Obama said he was going to tax and focus every single penny towards paying down the debt and improving our fiscal issues I would feel different, but every penny that he taxes more only goes to fund stupid ideas like that 1k deal and to fund his social agenda, which is a big mistake.
I love how his solution to a SS deficit is to TAX the current workers putting into the system rather than cutting benefits to those who make more than the average family does. Nah..tax tax tax and give discretionary money to those who earn more than the supposed social group he claims to represent.
"On another note....someone please unbox this mta dude so we don't have to deal with politics in the box."
Fish Naked... .... why should mta6 be released from the box,just because he is posting a topic that he knows bothers the population in the PBox?
Shouldn't learning how to fit-in and get along with other members be part of the rehab?...........Along with admitting the exact nature of his wrong doings,along with an attempt to remove his shortcomings ?
Unboxing someone for making unwanted posts that annoy people is not a good reason for release.......
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"On another note....someone please unbox this mta dude so we don't have to deal with politics in the box."
Fish Naked... .... why should mta6 be released from the box,just because he is posting a topic that he knows bothers the population in the PBox?
Shouldn't learning how to fit-in and get along with other members be part of the rehab?...........Along with admitting the exact nature of his wrong doings,along with an attempt to remove his shortcomings ?
Unboxing someone for making unwanted posts that annoy people is not a good reason for release.......
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