Economic models predict clear Obama win in November

better luck tomorrow....

 

I like Calgary.

 

 

He runs and hides when presented with facts.

 

Last week he even made an alias " Jambolaya" that has since been boxed or banned.

 

He also will try to change the subject, and deflect by name calling and insults.

 

Sarasota Slim and I use to just brutalize him with facts and knowledge over in the politics forum, where he finally just gave up, or stooped to name calling and accusations.

69, I wlecome a good debate but he sits on a high horse.  It's ridiculous. 

 

In this thread he's actually made the argument more than once that Obama's not an anti-war candidate.  There's simply no debating someone that will not concede to any points.  He talks about facts but politics is rarely decided on facts.  It's ideas and concepts.  Facts are obviously useful but what is a "fact"? 

 

We can debate issues and character all day but MTA would rather sit in his ivory tower and take cheap shots at posters and candidates.   He posts Obama quotes and campaign slogans and thinks he holds some sort of higher ground if you don't respond with a quote or "fact" to contradict him.

 

Bottom line is if you;ve "LISTENED" to both candidates speak, certainly neither has been consistent but Obama has drastically shifted from his anti-war base to this new middle ground where he wants to finsish the job in Afghanistan.  I'm pretty sure that's what McCain has been saying. 

 

Let's get out of Iraq but not cut and run.  Obama initially wanted to cut and run.  In his grand speeches he touted that he would start removing troops on day one and that was long before the surge was successful and Iraq was considered a disaster by most experts.  We don't hear that same banter anymore from Obama.

 

Obamas new favorite line is that there was an awakening by the sunnis that has improved the conditions in Iraq.  But how could there have ever been an any awakening if we didn't remove Hussein?

 

 

 

 

I'm just flat out tired of his rhetoric.  It's boring.  His concept of Obama winning so the GOP will correct itself is lame.  I'm not even that much of a conservative but I don't like Obama.  There's soemthing fishy about this guy.

 

We still have no explanation as to why he attended that chruch.  If McCain doesn't hammer him for that he deserves to lose.  Give me control of the GOP and 72 hours and I'll tear this candidate and his wife to shreds.  It's laughable only self loathing lefty's could somehow rationalize his associations away. 

 

The Obama campaigns strategy for victory is to play the race card amd tie Bush to McCain.  It's affirmative action at the highest level.  Seriously, if you criticize him you're a racist, look no further than Bill Clinton.   I believe the polls are misleading and many people don't want to say that they won't vote for Obama for fear of being tagged a racist.  David Gergen of CNN plays the race card on a nightly basis.

 

I just hope McCain starts throwing some punches because Obama has a glass jaw.  I was waiting for Hillary to take him down but she waited far too long before she took off the gloves but once she did Obama got smoked.  The DNC bailed his ass out.  Again fear offending the black community.     

 

Come election day I think the votes will very very close. 

You might have intentions to tear Obama apart, but, any attack will be called racism.

 

The left wing media is in the bag for Obama.

 

Look at the last road trip. He had 200 groupies fawning over his every word.

 

When he slipped up, the left wing media didn't report it.

 

McCain played Obama like a school kid. He dared him to go overseas, and the self indulged narcissistic Obama fell for it hook , line and sinker.

 

McCain has now pointed out how the media has a love affair for obama, and that will hurt Obama come November.

 

I agree, I don't like either candidate, but, I am for national defense first, and lower taxes / less govt spending second.

 

Obama is part of the "hate America" crowd, and if it is Obama, Nancy , Harry.....our country is doomed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you imaginea first-class bitch like Michele "Angela Davis" Obama being first lady...........

 

McCain wins this election, don't every worry about it.

 

 

I guarantee it.

You've nailed it on the head when you say he's part of the "hate America" crowd.  That's at the core of his belief system and that's why the left wing loons like Keith O are smitten with him.  I understand the hatred of Bush.  But that doesn't mean the answer is moving from one extreme to another. 

 

This "hate America" attitude explains why he marries a woman like Michelle Obama, whom his campaign now has to hide becuase she is so easy to dislike. 

 

What I find troubling about the Obamas and their attitude is they play into the "hate America" mind set.  We often hear about how oppresive a nation we are to african american.  Yet here they stand, two ivy league educated individuals, a senator, the democratic nominee for president, upper middle class educated whites over whelmingly support him, the media treats them like royalty but we're such an evil and backward nation.

 

When Obama brought up personal responibilty at the annual NAACP gatehring he was booed.  Bill Cosby has been shunned by the black community for writing and talking about personal responsibilty within their community.  Obama is smart enough to know that personal responibilty is the key to success in this nation.  How did he get where he is today? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is a perfect Teflon candidate for the Dems.

 

Any criticism will be branded racist. 

 

A black woman Democrat candidate would be their perfect candidate.

 

 

 

69, I watched an interview a while back on the Glenn Beck show.  He interviewed Chris Gardner the man Will Smith played in the movie "Pursuit of Happiness" based on a true story.  Don't know if you saw the movie or not but it was pretty moving piece.  I'm not even going to try and tell his story ebcause he does a much better job of it. 

 

 

There are 5 segments and the interview is excellent.  I saw it live on air and this guy speaks truth.  He doesn't pander like Obama or any other politican for that matter.  If you wanna see a guy people should be rallying around by the thousands to hear speak it's this guy...  Not some fraud offering handouts at others expense. 

 

This guy doesn't blame white people for the problems he had.  He addresses the issue of racism in the interview and breaks it down superbly.  "It's not racism it's placism".  That's the truth people only care about one color and that's green.  Money. 

You guys are making fun of Obama because he has a funny name.  He doesn't pander to nobody.  He supports the Middle Class and the Poor.  It's that simple.  If you are "Rich".... then he is not your guy but if you don't know if you are Rich or not, then you are not "Rich."  Rich means at least 20 million sitting in the bank.  "Wealthy" means 100 million unless you have offspring, then double it.

 

As far as success stories, look at Schwarzenegger.  He has a funny name and came over here with nothing more than a "bikini" and has achieved quite a bit.

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much. Thank you. What a greeting. What a greeting. Wow. This is like winning an Oscar -- as if I would know.

Speaking of acting, one of my movies was called "True Lies." And that's what the Democrats should have called their convention.

You know, on the way up here to the podium, a gentleman came up to me and said, "Governor, you are as good a politician as you were an actor." What a cheap shot.

Cannot believe it.

Anyway, my fellow Americans, this is an amazing moment for me. To think that a once-scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of the state of California and then stand here...

... then stand here in Madison Square Garden and speak on behalf of the president of the United States -- that is an immigrant's dream.

It is the American dream.

You know, I was born in Europe and I've traveled all over the world. And I can tell you that there is no place, no country, more compassionate, more generous, more accepting and more welcoming than the United States of America.

As long as I live, I will never forget that day 21 years ago when I raised my right hand and took the oath of citizenship. Do you know how proud I was? I was so proud that I walked around with an American flag around my shoulders all day long.

Tonight, I want to talk to you about why I'm even more proud to be an American -- why I'm proud to be a Republican -- and why I believe this country is in good hands.

When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria.

I saw their tanks in the streets. I saw Communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector.

Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Just look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him back to the Soviet Union as slave labor.

Now, my family didn't have a car. But one day we were in my uncle's car. It was near dark as we came to the Soviet checkpoint. I was a little boy. I was not an action hero back then.

But I remember. I remember how scared I was that the soldiers would pull my father or my uncle out of the car and I would never see them again. My family and so many others lived in fear of the Soviet boot. Today, the world no longer fears the Soviet Union, and it is because of the United States of America.

As a kid I saw the socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left. Now, don't misunderstand me, I love Austria, and I love the Austrian people.

But I always knew America was the place for me. In school, when the teacher would talk about America, I would daydream about coming here. I would daydream about living here. I would sit there and watch for hours American movies transfixed by my heroes like John Wayne.

Everything about America seemed so big to me, so open, so possible.

I finally arrived here in 1968. What a special day it was. I remember I arrived here with empty pockets but full of dreams, full of determination, full of desire.

The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon-Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend of mine who spoke German and English translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which I had just left.

But then I heard Nixon speak. Then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting the government off your back, lowering the taxes and strengthening the military.

Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

I said to my friend, I said, "What party is he?"

My friend said, "He's a Republican."

I said, "Then I am a Republican."

And I have been a Republican ever since. And trust me -- and trust me -- in my wife's family, that's no small achievement.

But I am proud to be with the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan, and the party of George W. Bush.

To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party. We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future.

And one thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and if you play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.

Everything I have, my career, my success, my family, I owe to America.

In this country, it doesn't make any difference where you were born. It doesn't make any difference who your parents were. It doesn't make any difference if you're like me and couldn't even speak English until you were in your 20s. America gave me opportunities, and my immigrant dreams came true.

I want other people to get the same chances I did, the same opportunities. And I believe they can. That's why I believe in this country, that's why I believe in this party, and that's why I believe in this president.

Now, many of you out there tonight are Republican like me in your hearts and in your beliefs. Maybe you're from Guatemala. Maybe you're from the Philippines. Maybe you're from Europe or the Ivory Coast. Maybe you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania or New Mexico.

And maybe -- just maybe -- you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight that I believe that's not only OK, but that's what's great about this country.

Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic, still be American and still be good Republicans.

My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? Well, I tell you how. If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government, then you are a Republican.

If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group, then you are a Republican.

If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican.

If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican.

If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope for democracy, then you are a Republican.

And, ladies and gentlemen, if you believe that we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism, then you are a Republican.

Now, there's another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people and faith in the U.S. economy. And to those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: Don't be economic girlie-men.

The U.S. economy remains the envy of the world. We have the highest economic growth of any of the world's major industrialized nations. Don't you remember the pessimism of 20 years ago, when the critics said Japan and Germany are overtaking the U.S.? Ridiculous.

Now, they say that India and China are overtaking us. Don't you believe it. We may hit a few bumps, but America always moves ahead. That's what Americans do.

We move prosperity ahead.

We move prosperity ahead. We move freedom ahead. And we move people ahead.

And under President Bush and Vice President Cheney, America's economy is moving ahead in spite of a recession they inherited and in spite of the attack on our homeland.

Now, the other party says that we have two Americas. Don't you believe that either. I have visited our troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia, Germany, and all over the world. I've visited our troops in California, where they train before they go overseas. I have visited our military hospitals. And I tell you this, that our men and women in uniform do not believe there are two Americas. They believe we are one America, and they are fighting for it.

We are one America, and President Bush is defending it with all his heart and soul.

That's what I admire most about the president. He's a man of perseverance. He's a man of inner strength. He is a leader who doesn't flinch, who doesn't waiver, and does not back down.

My fellow Americans, make no mistake about it: Terrorism is more insidious than Communism, because it yearns to destroy not just the individual, but the entire international order.

The president did not go into Iraq because the polls told him it was popular. As a matter of fact, the polls said just the opposite. But leadership isn't about polls.

 

It's about making decisions you think are right and then standing behind those decisions.

That's why America is safer with George W. Bush as president.

He knows you don't reason with terrorists. You defeat them. He knows you can't reason with people blinded by hate. You see, they hate the power of the individual. They hate the progress of women. They hate the religious freedom of others. And they hate the liberating breeze of democracy.

But, ladies and gentlemen, their hate is no match for America's decency.

We are the America that sends out the Peace Corps volunteers to teach our village children. We are the America that sends out the missionaries and doctors to raise up the poor and the sick.

We are the America that gives more than any other country to fight AIDS in Africa and the developing world.

And we are the America that fights not for imperialism, but for human rights and democracy.

You know, when the Germans brought down the Berlin Wall, America's determination helped wield the sledgehammers. And when that lone, young Chinese man stood in front of those tanks in Tiananmen Square, America stood with him. And when Nelson Mandela smiled in election victory after all those years in prison, America celebrated, too.

We are still the lamp lighting the world, especially those who struggle. No matter in what labor camp they slave, no matter in what injustice they're trapped, they hear our call. They see our light. And they feel the pull of our freedom.

They come here, as I did, because they believe -- they believe in us. They come because their hearts say to them, as mine did, "If only I can get to America." You know, someone once wrote, "There are those who say that freedom is nothing but a dream." They are right. It's the American dream.

No matter the nationality, no matter the religion, no matter the ethnic background, America brings out the best in people.

And as governor -- as governor of the great state of California, I see the best in Americans every day.

I see the best in Americans every day, our police, our firefighters, our nurses, doctors and teachers, our parents.

And what about the extraordinary men and women who have volunteered to fight for the United States of America?

I have such great respect for them and their heroic families.

Let me tell you about the sacrifice and the commitment that I have seen first-hand. In one of the military hospitals I visited, I met a young guy who was in bad shape. He'd lost a leg, he had a hole through his stomach, and his shoulder had been shot through. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could tell that there was no way he could ever return to combat. But when I asked him, "When do you think you'll get out of the hospital?" He said, "Sir, in three weeks."

And do you know what he said to me then? He said he was going to get a new leg, and then he was going to get some therapy, and then he was going to go back to Iraq and fight alongside his buddies.

And you know what he said to me then? You know what he said to me then?

He said, "Arnold, I'll be back."

Well, ladies and gentlemen, America is back -- back from the attack on our homeland, back from the attack on our economy, and back from the attack on our way of life. We're back because of the perseverance, character and leadership of the 43rd president of the United States, George W. Bush.

My fellow Americans, I want you to know that I believe with all my heart that America remains the great idea that inspires the world. It's a privilege to be born here. It's an honor to become a citizen here. It's a gift to raise your family here, to vote here, and to live here.

Our president, George W. Bush, has worked hard to protect and preserve the American dream for all of us. And that's why I say, send him back to Washington for four more years.

SCHWARZENEGGER and audience: Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years.

SCHWARZENEGGER: Thank you, America. Thank you, and God bless you all.

Thank you.

I rem,ember watching it at the time and thinking how he got it.

 

His story IS the American dream.....

Schwarzenneger is a "California" Republican which means he is more liberal than a regular Democrat by the way.

 

 

69mets-

 

Are you trying to memorize his speech so you can pick up chicks? 

 

It won't work for you bro.

 

 

 

69Mets-

 

First, you squeeze yourself into a Schwarzenegger bikini and then we'll see how that goes.