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    Biggest news to come out of Flores lawsuit is that the owner bribed him to lose games

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 3:32 PM ET #101

    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL. peace_5

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    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 3:34 PM ET #102

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    @DB51daBEARS  Sorry.  Meant to ask another poster.

    No prob...thanks  peace_5

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    @DB51daBEARS  Sorry.  Meant to ask another poster.

    No prob...thanks  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 3:41 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL.

    You are comparing apples to oranges. Doing it behind closed doors with a wink and a nod is one thing, but bribing your coach with money?! That’s a whole other level. We are in Pete Rose territory now, especially when gambling is ubiquitous. I mean, what’s to keep an owner from bribing his coach on one end and telling his buddies or close family members to bet on the opposing team on the other end? peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL.

    You are comparing apples to oranges. Doing it behind closed doors with a wink and a nod is one thing, but bribing your coach with money?! That’s a whole other level. We are in Pete Rose territory now, especially when gambling is ubiquitous. I mean, what’s to keep an owner from bribing his coach on one end and telling his buddies or close family members to bet on the opposing team on the other end? peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 4:29 PM ET #104

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     If there is any truth to the Flores claim about Ross, the solution is simple. The draft will be similar to the NBA in which no team is guaranteed the first pick. One of the few things the NBA has gotten right. 

    Now as far as hiring more minority coaches? That's an issue with no easy answers. 

     

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     If there is any truth to the Flores claim about Ross, the solution is simple. The draft will be similar to the NBA in which no team is guaranteed the first pick. One of the few things the NBA has gotten right. 

    Now as far as hiring more minority coaches? That's an issue with no easy answers. 

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 4:44 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @DoubleUp4Life  Why would Goddel help the Dolphins owner's fuck up of bribing Flores, by out bribing Flores? That makes no sense Might boil down to what the Clinton's decide is best for us        jk , anything is possible though in murica

     

    and yet, you believe every single stat CNN and your local news feeds you regarding Covid and all other news sources as conspiracy theory “rubes” 

     

    you’re a walking hypocrisy 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @DoubleUp4Life  Why would Goddel help the Dolphins owner's fuck up of bribing Flores, by out bribing Flores? That makes no sense Might boil down to what the Clinton's decide is best for us        jk , anything is possible though in murica

     

    and yet, you believe every single stat CNN and your local news feeds you regarding Covid and all other news sources as conspiracy theory “rubes” 

     

    you’re a walking hypocrisy 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 5:11 PM ET #106

    Not really BB what was keeping the Pens owner from telling his buddies also..  Books existed before the internet.. Heck bookies were everywhere back then..  Had three in the small golf club I played at back  then.. Everyone knew.. Judges played with them..  As for the paying of the coach that still TBD  if it even happened..  Or if it did was this an outlier case.. My common sense says yes.. but at the end of the day tanking is tanking.. And trust me it was no nod and a wink..  Books knew it and took the Pens off the board last two games.. If anything it was more obvious  back then.. No media spotlight like today.. Always cracks me up when I hear about the "good old days " of the clean NFL.. Horseshit..  If anything back then many  players made scraps who were not stars ( one guy at the  golf club played o-line for the Lions was from suburbs of the Burgh)  and he made so little he sold cars in the off season.. And not a appearance job... real sells.. Now there is a chance for a bribe.. Not a guy making 7 million a year.. Like today's players.. peace_5

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    Not really BB what was keeping the Pens owner from telling his buddies also..  Books existed before the internet.. Heck bookies were everywhere back then..  Had three in the small golf club I played at back  then.. Everyone knew.. Judges played with them..  As for the paying of the coach that still TBD  if it even happened..  Or if it did was this an outlier case.. My common sense says yes.. but at the end of the day tanking is tanking.. And trust me it was no nod and a wink..  Books knew it and took the Pens off the board last two games.. If anything it was more obvious  back then.. No media spotlight like today.. Always cracks me up when I hear about the "good old days " of the clean NFL.. Horseshit..  If anything back then many  players made scraps who were not stars ( one guy at the  golf club played o-line for the Lions was from suburbs of the Burgh)  and he made so little he sold cars in the off season.. And not a appearance job... real sells.. Now there is a chance for a bribe.. Not a guy making 7 million a year.. Like today's players.. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 5:18 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Hugh Jackson getting down on the action now...  reports also coming out that other coaches have "receipts" from similar past experiences and could possibly join the class action suit.     https://sportsnaut.com/hue-jackson-suggests-he-was-paid-to-tank-browns/
    Why would he take the chance to sully his coaching reputation? No chance he gets another HC job now……an_laugh

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    Hugh Jackson getting down on the action now...  reports also coming out that other coaches have "receipts" from similar past experiences and could possibly join the class action suit.     https://sportsnaut.com/hue-jackson-suggests-he-was-paid-to-tank-browns/
    Why would he take the chance to sully his coaching reputation? No chance he gets another HC job now……an_laugh

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 5:48 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @DoubleUp4Life  Why would Goddel help the Dolphins owner's fuck up of bribing Flores, by out bribing Flores? That makes no sense Might boil down to what the Clinton's decide is best for us        jk , anything is possible though in murica   and yet, you believe every single stat CNN and your local news feeds you regarding Covid and all other news sources as conspiracy theory “rubes”    you’re a walking hypocrisy

     

    How about health deapertments , hospitals ,and experts ....

    What is your obsession with cable news ?

    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @DoubleUp4Life  Why would Goddel help the Dolphins owner's fuck up of bribing Flores, by out bribing Flores? That makes no sense Might boil down to what the Clinton's decide is best for us        jk , anything is possible though in murica   and yet, you believe every single stat CNN and your local news feeds you regarding Covid and all other news sources as conspiracy theory “rubes”    you’re a walking hypocrisy

     

    How about health deapertments , hospitals ,and experts ....

    What is your obsession with cable news ?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 5:50 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

    @begginerboy  If there is any truth to the Flores claim about Ross, the solution is simple. The draft will be similar to the NBA in which no team is guaranteed the first pick. One of the few things the NBA has gotten right.  Now as far as hiring more minority coaches? That's an issue with no easy answers.

     

    Did you listen to Steve Tasker today???  You and him are on the same page .peace_5

    He said some nfl executives wanted the NBA style lottery decades ago .. 

     

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    @begginerboy  If there is any truth to the Flores claim about Ross, the solution is simple. The draft will be similar to the NBA in which no team is guaranteed the first pick. One of the few things the NBA has gotten right.  Now as far as hiring more minority coaches? That's an issue with no easy answers.

     

    Did you listen to Steve Tasker today???  You and him are on the same page .peace_5

    He said some nfl executives wanted the NBA style lottery decades ago .. 

     

     
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    so you get your "news" from your one Nurse friend at that one hospital in WNY      got it   peace_5

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    so you get your "news" from your one Nurse friend at that one hospital in WNY      got it   peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    @DoubleUp4Life     so you get your "news" from your one Nurse friend at that one hospital in WNY      got it

    News ?? I read Rueters , Ap etc ...Often for me no news is good news ...Not a fan of cable or network news on the web or tube ..

     

    Health departments , hospitals,  and experts on covid works for me ....I also had it over 6 weeks  ago , glad I was boosted...Only exhausted for 2 days , several co workers had it much much  worse......Just want this shet to go away 

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    @DoubleUp4Life     so you get your "news" from your one Nurse friend at that one hospital in WNY      got it

    News ?? I read Rueters , Ap etc ...Often for me no news is good news ...Not a fan of cable or network news on the web or tube ..

     

    Health departments , hospitals,  and experts on covid works for me ....I also had it over 6 weeks  ago , glad I was boosted...Only exhausted for 2 days , several co workers had it much much  worse......Just want this shet to go away 

     
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    It isn't news that owner Steven Ross wanted to take advantage of losses.

    The real estate mogul hasn't paid federal taxes in over 10 years while reporting more than 447M in losses. 

    It's not illegal to use dogs in your real estate portfolio to tank your taxes.

    Throwing games to improve your draft pick is another story.

    Maybe he'll have his lawyer plead that the NFL doesn't have a clear policy on not throwing games.

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    It isn't news that owner Steven Ross wanted to take advantage of losses.

    The real estate mogul hasn't paid federal taxes in over 10 years while reporting more than 447M in losses. 

    It's not illegal to use dogs in your real estate portfolio to tank your taxes.

    Throwing games to improve your draft pick is another story.

    Maybe he'll have his lawyer plead that the NFL doesn't have a clear policy on not throwing games.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It isn't news that owner Steven Ross wanted to take advantage of losses. The real estate mogul hasn't paid federal taxes in over 10 years while reporting more than 447M in losses.  It's not illegal to use dogs in your real estate portfolio to tank your taxes. Throwing games to improve your draft pick is another story. Maybe he'll have his lawyer plead that the NFL doesn't have a clear policy on not throwing games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It isn't news that owner Steven Ross wanted to take advantage of losses. The real estate mogul hasn't paid federal taxes in over 10 years while reporting more than 447M in losses.  It's not illegal to use dogs in your real estate portfolio to tank your taxes. Throwing games to improve your draft pick is another story. Maybe he'll have his lawyer plead that the NFL doesn't have a clear policy on not throwing games.

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2022 - 8:19 PM ET #115

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     Bribing seemed unnecessary but I’m not the owner nor do I know the rules so what do I know. 

       He could have just told management to tank.  But maybe that’s not allowed either. 

     

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     Bribing seemed unnecessary but I’m not the owner nor do I know the rules so what do I know. 

       He could have just told management to tank.  But maybe that’s not allowed either. 

     

     
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     Just finished watching Fearless that you posted for all of us. Thank you!

    Whitlock really goes after Flores for marrying a white wife which I think was unnecessary. I mean you can't help who you love.

    And I agree that he threw Belichick under the bus for exposing the texts when he was trying to congratulate Daboll & sent the messages to Flores by mistake. We all needed help in our careers & Belichick has helped many former coaches move ahead in the NFL including Flores. 

    Whitlock has a very different point of view & proved that by showing what other talking heads were saying on ESPN. 

    I'm also not sure why he showed up on CBS this morning with 2 white lawyers on the panel when he was interviewed & he couldn't explain his comparison of the NFL to a plantation. He really didn't answer the question. Whitlock made it clear he thought having 2 white lawyers there wasn't a good look.

    If nothing else, Whitlock makes you think.

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     Just finished watching Fearless that you posted for all of us. Thank you!

    Whitlock really goes after Flores for marrying a white wife which I think was unnecessary. I mean you can't help who you love.

    And I agree that he threw Belichick under the bus for exposing the texts when he was trying to congratulate Daboll & sent the messages to Flores by mistake. We all needed help in our careers & Belichick has helped many former coaches move ahead in the NFL including Flores. 

    Whitlock has a very different point of view & proved that by showing what other talking heads were saying on ESPN. 

    I'm also not sure why he showed up on CBS this morning with 2 white lawyers on the panel when he was interviewed & he couldn't explain his comparison of the NFL to a plantation. He really didn't answer the question. Whitlock made it clear he thought having 2 white lawyers there wasn't a good look.

    If nothing else, Whitlock makes you think.

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    Why didn't Brian Flores call out Ross after the 2019 season??? Oh He has morals now...he cares about other black coaches...Where was this shiit when it happened... Oh he had his HC job so it was ok to not say anything....Got itpeace_5 Class act Flores...

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    Why didn't Brian Flores call out Ross after the 2019 season??? Oh He has morals now...he cares about other black coaches...Where was this shiit when it happened... Oh he had his HC job so it was ok to not say anything....Got itpeace_5 Class act Flores...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL.

    The Debartolo years. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    IMO..  No biggie..  Tanking for the better draft pick position..  Not the first or last time in any sport...  Heck when the Pens were in the lottery race for Mario they tanked for a week.. Got so bad last couple of games local books  in the Burgh ( no offshore or state books then )  quit putting out a line on them..  worked got Mario the rest is history.. Smart owner IMO..  happens and will happen again ... Even in the pure as snow NHL.

    The Debartolo years. an_light

     
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    “Column: If racism wasn’t enough, there’s always NFL game fix”

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    https://wtop.com/nfl/2022/02/column-if-racism-wasnt-enough-theres-always-nfl-game-fix/

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    @BIGDTITLE

    CNN raped your mother and killed your father?

    Why are you so angry all the time.

    It must be that high IQ associated with people from Texas

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    CNN raped your mother and killed your father?

    Why are you so angry all the time.

    It must be that high IQ associated with people from Texas

     
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     Since when owners care if a team wins or loses? You think hawker or owners of Detroit lions or Jaxonville cares if their team wins or loses? Hell no! They get paid regardless lol

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     Since when owners care if a team wins or loses? You think hawker or owners of Detroit lions or Jaxonville cares if their team wins or loses? Hell no! They get paid regardless lol

     
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     Mind your business.  Men are talking 

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     Mind your business.  Men are talking 

     
     
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    Florio, Cowherd and all the other white wokesters on mainstream sports' media are cosigning Flores' all out war on the NFL.

    The white-bread sports' commentators live in fear for if they are called a racist the woke mob will cancel their careers. 

    Now they will be going after Bill Belichick and will be demanding to read his personal texts and emails. Will he be the next guy nailed to a cross? 

    He white ain't he??? So BB is fair game. A point that Whitlock made on the show and we can all see it coming. an_lightening

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    Florio, Cowherd and all the other white wokesters on mainstream sports' media are cosigning Flores' all out war on the NFL.

    The white-bread sports' commentators live in fear for if they are called a racist the woke mob will cancel their careers. 

    Now they will be going after Bill Belichick and will be demanding to read his personal texts and emails. Will he be the next guy nailed to a cross? 

    He white ain't he??? So BB is fair game. A point that Whitlock made on the show and we can all see it coming. an_lightening

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