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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2007 - 5:13 AM ET #1

    YTD: 12-3  +11.2u
     
    I was on a raucous hot streak last week of September and first week of October in lots of sports but that appears to have come to an end. I am not not a particulaly good handicapper, see my AFL picks. I wouldn't want anyone to take my picks seriously, let alone bet money on them.
     
    That said here's my bets for tonight:
    Perth v Adelaide under 204.5  2u 
     
    Cairns v Melbourne under 187.5 1u
    Melbourne -3.5 1u
     
    If Cairns click when they get Darnell Mee and Cattalini back I think they can be a threat for the title. However, withouth these two they have been relying on three players for the bulk of their scoring their scoring - Stephen Black, Jawai and Rashard Tucker. In my opinion Melbourne have sound match ups for these three players.
     
    Dave Thomas I would expect would play on Stephen Black and make it harder for him to get his three point shots off. Jawai will be up against Anstey and/or Mursapp who should keep him busy and David Barlowe against Rashard Tucker are pretty evenly matched for mine.
     
    Melbourne have more depth than Cairns at the moment which I think could be the difference. Cairns basically only played 7 players against Sydney and Cook did some reasonable things but also took some poor shots. A lot of sides would be happy to Start Croswell, Corletto, Stiff and Hoare.
     
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    I was on a raucous hot streak last week of September and first week of October in lots of sports but that appears to have come to an end. I am not not a particulaly good handicapper, see my AFL picks. I wouldn't want anyone to take my picks seriously, let alone bet money on them.
     
    That said here's my bets for tonight:
    Perth v Adelaide under 204.5  2u 
     
    Cairns v Melbourne under 187.5 1u
    Melbourne -3.5 1u
     
    If Cairns click when they get Darnell Mee and Cattalini back I think they can be a threat for the title. However, withouth these two they have been relying on three players for the bulk of their scoring their scoring - Stephen Black, Jawai and Rashard Tucker. In my opinion Melbourne have sound match ups for these three players.
     
    Dave Thomas I would expect would play on Stephen Black and make it harder for him to get his three point shots off. Jawai will be up against Anstey and/or Mursapp who should keep him busy and David Barlowe against Rashard Tucker are pretty evenly matched for mine.
     
    Melbourne have more depth than Cairns at the moment which I think could be the difference. Cairns basically only played 7 players against Sydney and Cook did some reasonable things but also took some poor shots. A lot of sides would be happy to Start Croswell, Corletto, Stiff and Hoare.
     
     
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    YTD: 15-3  +14.8u

    NZ v Townsville over 200.5 1u

    I am thinking one player, Homicide Williams can make a fair bit of difference for Townsville and they will score some more points. Back in round 1 with R Ellis they beat West Sydney 116-114 with Pepper having 22, Rillie 20, Robertson 18 and Young 13. Supposedely he plays an uptempo style which suggests to me that the crocs will return to their approach of jack it up quick and play token defence.

    Breakers gave been playing ok but shooting the ball poorly. Game 1:  2pt%=53% and 3pt% =25% and game 2:  2pt%=43% and 3pt% =34%. They have decent shooters in Penny, Jones, Foreman and Turner plus Rickert and Ronaldson can be effecient inside. Against the Townsville token D I like their chances of putting up a score.

     

     

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    NZ v Townsville over 200.5 1u

    I am thinking one player, Homicide Williams can make a fair bit of difference for Townsville and they will score some more points. Back in round 1 with R Ellis they beat West Sydney 116-114 with Pepper having 22, Rillie 20, Robertson 18 and Young 13. Supposedely he plays an uptempo style which suggests to me that the crocs will return to their approach of jack it up quick and play token defence.

    Breakers gave been playing ok but shooting the ball poorly. Game 1:  2pt%=53% and 3pt% =25% and game 2:  2pt%=43% and 3pt% =34%. They have decent shooters in Penny, Jones, Foreman and Turner plus Rickert and Ronaldson can be effecient inside. Against the Townsville token D I like their chances of putting up a score.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2007 - 12:53 AM ET #3

    YTD: 15-4  +13.8u

    Wollongong +3  1u

    Initial thought was West Sydney but I have come around to the Hawks. Wollongong have played with spirit getting back door covers against Adelaide and Melbourne without looking like winning and could have beat Cairns last wound with a bit of luck missing one of their imports James Peters.

    In my opinion they have a squad that is likely to continue to play hard all season even if they only win a handful of games. This is partly due to it being unlikely that there will be modelling contacts waiting for them when they stop playing semi professional basketball https://www.hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s=players. More so it is because they appreciate their opportunity and play hard and would not still be in the league if they didn't. Tragardh who i never thought much of has shown that he has a fair bit to offer. Something i was interested to find was he "led the ABA nationally in scoring in 2002 with 34 points per game" according to the Hawks website. I think Dragons would be starting to question why the traded Kavossy Franklin for Cortez Groves, Cortez may have the edge in athleticism and skills but Kavossy has him in spirit and toughness for mine, which you can't get enough of.

    Think Hawks will give it everything and have a good chance to get their first win, with West Sydney missing a couple of players Knight and Petrie.

    Wollongong v West Sydney under 203.5 1u

     By my calculations the average score in the regular season last year was 205. So far this season I have it at 193. I don't have any numbers on hand, but from memory 193 is not far off the NBA average and still higher than in most Euro leagues.

     Some of the possible reasons I can think of for the drop are better defence, worse offence, slower tempo, less defensive fouls and/or more offensive fouls.

    Difficult to measure the first two, however given I would rate Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns and Perth as the best defensive teams last year, given these teams filled the top positions maybe some of the other teams have come to the strange belief that you need to play defence to be successful.

    So far there does seem to be a slowing in the tempo. This my be because several teams have realised that running around jacking up shots as soon as possible while entertaining, may not be that successful. Another reason may be more big imports leading to a slower pace. Adelaide lose Farley get Chappell, Melbourne lose Tucker get Mursepp, NZ lose Powell get Rickert. 

    West Sydney have said that they plan to push the tempo at every opportunity. Wollongong have said one of their goals is to keep sides to less than 20 points per quarter. The first goal is easier to achieve than the second, however until some more points get scored I too will be leaning towards the under.

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    Wollongong +3  1u

    Initial thought was West Sydney but I have come around to the Hawks. Wollongong have played with spirit getting back door covers against Adelaide and Melbourne without looking like winning and could have beat Cairns last wound with a bit of luck missing one of their imports James Peters.

    In my opinion they have a squad that is likely to continue to play hard all season even if they only win a handful of games. This is partly due to it being unlikely that there will be modelling contacts waiting for them when they stop playing semi professional basketball https://www.hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s=players. More so it is because they appreciate their opportunity and play hard and would not still be in the league if they didn't. Tragardh who i never thought much of has shown that he has a fair bit to offer. Something i was interested to find was he "led the ABA nationally in scoring in 2002 with 34 points per game" according to the Hawks website. I think Dragons would be starting to question why the traded Kavossy Franklin for Cortez Groves, Cortez may have the edge in athleticism and skills but Kavossy has him in spirit and toughness for mine, which you can't get enough of.

    Think Hawks will give it everything and have a good chance to get their first win, with West Sydney missing a couple of players Knight and Petrie.

    Wollongong v West Sydney under 203.5 1u

     By my calculations the average score in the regular season last year was 205. So far this season I have it at 193. I don't have any numbers on hand, but from memory 193 is not far off the NBA average and still higher than in most Euro leagues.

     Some of the possible reasons I can think of for the drop are better defence, worse offence, slower tempo, less defensive fouls and/or more offensive fouls.

    Difficult to measure the first two, however given I would rate Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns and Perth as the best defensive teams last year, given these teams filled the top positions maybe some of the other teams have come to the strange belief that you need to play defence to be successful.

    So far there does seem to be a slowing in the tempo. This my be because several teams have realised that running around jacking up shots as soon as possible while entertaining, may not be that successful. Another reason may be more big imports leading to a slower pace. Adelaide lose Farley get Chappell, Melbourne lose Tucker get Mursepp, NZ lose Powell get Rickert. 

    West Sydney have said that they plan to push the tempo at every opportunity. Wollongong have said one of their goals is to keep sides to less than 20 points per quarter. The first goal is easier to achieve than the second, however until some more points get scored I too will be leaning towards the under.

     
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    Great write up and great record
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    Wow, good stuff mate.
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2007 - 6:40 AM ET #6

    HT: Hawks 63-47
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    I want to thank you binomial for all your plays so far this season. I lurk in both you and Rod threads and have followed both many times already and have made lot of money in sport I don't know anything about


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    Thanks guys, but as I said above I am nowhere near as skilled as my record may misleadingly suggest. If i finsish the season at 60% i would be way stoked.
     
    Wollongong's veterans slap the pig young guns around. Matt Campell plays his best game in along long time 7/10 3s and 28 points. 18/29 3s @ 62% as a team. Tragargh again suggests he may be the real deal with 23 points 7 rebounds. Kavossy Franklin impressive again 25 points 8 assists, most of them early when the game was there to be won.
     
    Props to Hinson who had 4 points and 4 fouls at the half but finished with 24.
     
    Still got verbal diarrhea so I will write up my pick for tomorrow, better out than in.
     
    Caution 1: you wont get rich backing double digit favourites.
    Caution 2: "the internet, more crap at your finger tips than on them." Ron Hitler Barassi. The internet told me that Stevens was playing for Wollongong tonight, he didn't. The internet told me Crawford wasn't playing for Perth the other night, he did. There was another one as well the other day that escapes me at the moment. The internet is saying Cortez Groves is out fairly loudly, but can it be trusted?
     
    Melbourne -12  1.5u
    An idea I came up with about Souths is that they have significant personality/chemistry issues and need a myers briggs type analist in to sort them out. Heal is the ultimate loudmouth extrovert whereas all the others nearly are introverts.
    Cortez Groves - introvert
    Jacob Holmes - introvert
    Mr Jingles - mild introvert
    Horvath, Hill and Burston - introverts.
    Heal wants them yelling, trash talking and picking fights but they don't have it in them. Leads to tension, poor teamwork and poor results.
    Talk has already turned to Heal's tenure in the position:

    South Dragons owner Mark Cowan has backed player-coach Shane Heal despite the NBL club facing a winless start to the season, something that cost previous coach Mark Price his job last season.

    The Dragons are 0-3 and could be 0-5 by Sunday night with weekend matches against the unbeaten Melbourne Tigers and Sydney Kings.

    The Dragons were 0-5 last year when Cowan fired former NBA legend Price and appointed Heal.

    But there is unlikely to be any blood-letting should a similar scenario arise this season, with Cowan saying he believed in what Heal was trying to achieve.

    "I've got faith in the process that Shane has got the club going through and it's not how you start, it's how you finish," Cowan said. https://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/South-Dragons-boss-says-Heal-is-safe/2007/10/12/1191696163443.html

    Maybe they will rally similar to Wollongong, but it sounds to me that they are already resigned to being 0-6, with Sydney and Brisbane up after Melbourne:

    'Dragons co-captain Jacob Holmes said the players were keen to step up against the Tigers in the Melbourne derby at the State Netball Centre on Saturday night to kick-start their season.

    "We're not 0-6 yet and we don't want to get to that stage again," Holmes said.

    "If we can get a win, it eases the pressure on everyone, including the coach."  '(same article)

    Sounds more like resignation than detemination to me.

    Even if they do fire up i think the will be outclassed.

    With Burston playing like a mong, Horvath has to start at centre and in my opinion he is no where near up to it. As I recall when he was in a force in the league was when he had Simon Dwight arguably the best shot blocker in league history playing centre and he was playing forward. In the tv game v perth he was wetting himself when they gave Rogers the ball in the post and several times gave up panic fouls. If Perth had given Rogers more low post touches he would have fouled out before half time. My feeling is Anstey and/or Mursepp will embarass him again.

    With Groves out and Mr Jingles having an ordinairy start to the season, they don't have the quality to match it with Melbourne in the other positions.

    The main risk is that Melbourne take the game easy and Souths cover without looking like winning. This is a possibility but I am hoping the cross town rivalry sees Melbourne keep the foot down and given their should be a packed house of Melbourne fans I cant see them taking it easy. I think its quite likely Souths will be throwing up prayer 3s like they did against Perth for most of the game and they wont even get close in the second half unless they hit alot of them.

     

     
     
     
     
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    Thanks guys, but as I said above I am nowhere near as skilled as my record may misleadingly suggest. If i finsish the season at 60% i would be way stoked.
     
    Wollongong's veterans slap the pig young guns around. Matt Campell plays his best game in along long time 7/10 3s and 28 points. 18/29 3s @ 62% as a team. Tragargh again suggests he may be the real deal with 23 points 7 rebounds. Kavossy Franklin impressive again 25 points 8 assists, most of them early when the game was there to be won.
     
    Props to Hinson who had 4 points and 4 fouls at the half but finished with 24.
     
    Still got verbal diarrhea so I will write up my pick for tomorrow, better out than in.
     
    Caution 1: you wont get rich backing double digit favourites.
    Caution 2: "the internet, more crap at your finger tips than on them." Ron Hitler Barassi. The internet told me that Stevens was playing for Wollongong tonight, he didn't. The internet told me Crawford wasn't playing for Perth the other night, he did. There was another one as well the other day that escapes me at the moment. The internet is saying Cortez Groves is out fairly loudly, but can it be trusted?
     
    Melbourne -12  1.5u
    An idea I came up with about Souths is that they have significant personality/chemistry issues and need a myers briggs type analist in to sort them out. Heal is the ultimate loudmouth extrovert whereas all the others nearly are introverts.
    Cortez Groves - introvert
    Jacob Holmes - introvert
    Mr Jingles - mild introvert
    Horvath, Hill and Burston - introverts.
    Heal wants them yelling, trash talking and picking fights but they don't have it in them. Leads to tension, poor teamwork and poor results.
    Talk has already turned to Heal's tenure in the position:

    South Dragons owner Mark Cowan has backed player-coach Shane Heal despite the NBL club facing a winless start to the season, something that cost previous coach Mark Price his job last season.

    The Dragons are 0-3 and could be 0-5 by Sunday night with weekend matches against the unbeaten Melbourne Tigers and Sydney Kings.

    The Dragons were 0-5 last year when Cowan fired former NBA legend Price and appointed Heal.

    But there is unlikely to be any blood-letting should a similar scenario arise this season, with Cowan saying he believed in what Heal was trying to achieve.

    "I've got faith in the process that Shane has got the club going through and it's not how you start, it's how you finish," Cowan said. https://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/South-Dragons-boss-says-Heal-is-safe/2007/10/12/1191696163443.html

    Maybe they will rally similar to Wollongong, but it sounds to me that they are already resigned to being 0-6, with Sydney and Brisbane up after Melbourne:

    'Dragons co-captain Jacob Holmes said the players were keen to step up against the Tigers in the Melbourne derby at the State Netball Centre on Saturday night to kick-start their season.

    "We're not 0-6 yet and we don't want to get to that stage again," Holmes said.

    "If we can get a win, it eases the pressure on everyone, including the coach."  '(same article)

    Sounds more like resignation than detemination to me.

    Even if they do fire up i think the will be outclassed.

    With Burston playing like a mong, Horvath has to start at centre and in my opinion he is no where near up to it. As I recall when he was in a force in the league was when he had Simon Dwight arguably the best shot blocker in league history playing centre and he was playing forward. In the tv game v perth he was wetting himself when they gave Rogers the ball in the post and several times gave up panic fouls. If Perth had given Rogers more low post touches he would have fouled out before half time. My feeling is Anstey and/or Mursepp will embarass him again.

    With Groves out and Mr Jingles having an ordinairy start to the season, they don't have the quality to match it with Melbourne in the other positions.

    The main risk is that Melbourne take the game easy and Souths cover without looking like winning. This is a possibility but I am hoping the cross town rivalry sees Melbourne keep the foot down and given their should be a packed house of Melbourne fans I cant see them taking it easy. I think its quite likely Souths will be throwing up prayer 3s like they did against Perth for most of the game and they wont even get close in the second half unless they hit alot of them.

     

     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2007 - 11:27 AM ET #9

    Great write up again binomial
    i am still waiting for the over/under line of Blaze/Singapore. Will take under if the line is more than  198.5,  hopefully the bookie will set something like 202.5
     
    And take Melbourne cover this handi for sure.
     
     
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    Great write up again binomial
    i am still waiting for the over/under line of Blaze/Singapore. Will take under if the line is more than  198.5,  hopefully the bookie will set something like 202.5
     
    And take Melbourne cover this handi for sure.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2007 - 1:50 AM ET #10

    YTD: 16-6  +12.2u
     
    Souths +4.5  1u
    Pretty common when I bag a player and they end up BOG. Burston, Mr Jingles and Jacob Homes get their act together and Souths had every chance to beat Melbourne.
     
    I am jumping back on them, thinking this should be close and this is too many points for the home team.
     
    Souths v Sydney under 195.5
     
     
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    Souths +4.5  1u
    Pretty common when I bag a player and they end up BOG. Burston, Mr Jingles and Jacob Homes get their act together and Souths had every chance to beat Melbourne.
     
    I am jumping back on them, thinking this should be close and this is too many points for the home team.
     
    Souths v Sydney under 195.5
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2007 - 2:03 AM ET #11

    GL Binomial.
     
    I think Dragons will be too tired after playing their heart out last night but falling short of the Tigers. I like the under 197.5 and I think the fresh legs of the Kings will be enough to cover the start.
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    GL Binomial.
     
    I think Dragons will be too tired after playing their heart out last night but falling short of the Tigers. I like the under 197.5 and I think the fresh legs of the Kings will be enough to cover the start.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2007 - 2:19 AM ET #12

    Brisbane -19  1u
    Singapore are trying  to make it clear that they are the worst road team in the league by far with losses to Perth by 32 and Gold Coast by 15. Last season with a stronger team they lost to Brisbane by 32,15 and 38.
     
    Singapore lose to GC by 15 last night, hard to see them firing up a few hours later to take on a rested Brisbane.
     
    Brisbane may sleep through this, but given their quality bench crave court time I am hoping this doesn't happen.
     
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    Singapore are trying  to make it clear that they are the worst road team in the league by far with losses to Perth by 32 and Gold Coast by 15. Last season with a stronger team they lost to Brisbane by 32,15 and 38.
     
    Singapore lose to GC by 15 last night, hard to see them firing up a few hours later to take on a rested Brisbane.
     
    Brisbane may sleep through this, but given their quality bench crave court time I am hoping this doesn't happen.
     
    Brisbane v Singapore over 207.5 1u
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2007 - 7:38 AM ET #13

    Nice call on bullets game
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    i didn't follow the game, but it looks from the play by play that the bullets got a last second 3 to cover, so a lot more luck than skill. balances the punters lament i have about the dragons only scoring 5 points in the last 6 minutes.
     
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    i didn't follow the game, but it looks from the play by play that the bullets got a last second 3 to cover, so a lot more luck than skill. balances the punters lament i have about the dragons only scoring 5 points in the last 6 minutes.
     
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