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    Morning Gentlemen and Jules an_wink

    Soapbox time. How many times am I going to tell myself to learn from history? Ok, I am not saying it is right all the time, but I would be willing to guess it is correct 75% or better. All this time capping, thinking, looking for edges and basically it is all in the numbers imo. Let me just review yesterday:

    Flyers have only won ONE of their last 4 home games vs Caps. Yep, numbers continued.

    Swords/BJ's 7 of the last 10 have been OVERS. Yep, numbers continued

    Flames are 7-2-1 the last 10 meetings. Yep. 

    Here's the one...it would be just like the Rangers to go to Vegas and get the 2 points. Now this one was not a number but individual thought and I didn't play it. 

    Nucks are 8-2 last 10 vs Sharks AND  In fact the Nucks are not scored less than 4 goals in 8 of the last 10 meetings. That's 2 yep's.

    This is not me, these are the numbers. And if you read Puck Talk regularly, you know I keep going back to the numbers on a regular basis. Sure, you get those nights that they don't align but what I am seeing by doing this daily is the numbers (not all most greater than 60%) tell the tail. I realize everyone has their methods of capping and I am not one to question or say one is better than the other. But, I need to trust the numbers more often. 

    Off the Soapbox. Remember I said the Hawks would finish last yesterday, think the BJ's might give them a run. Actually, the last 10 minutes of the 2P they just looked defeated and didn't give a crap. At least in the 3P they came out with a little determination. Can't speak of the rest as I went to sleep. I did awake to see there were goals galore in Edmonton and San Jose. Is it me or is the late games really having fireworks recently? Did see some highlights of the Avs. Man, not the same team as we are used to right now. Oh, only ONE Dog showed up last night, Rangers.  

    Light schedule for a Thursday, guessing due to holidays coming up. Does Rustie continue to keep his head in the clouds tonight? Kings came out firing the other night in Ottawa but it is the D for the Leafs that has been the most impressive part of their game. Numbers say in the last 10, Leafs are 5-3-2, but Kings are 2-1 last 3 games. Will have to dig deeper but the Leafs at home are allowing 2.46 GA and just 26 SOG. Saw Samsonov should be in net. Prop bet on Marner getting a point? Tampa slept walked vs Wings the other night and now get the Preds. NOTE: Preds have had 5 days OFF since their last game. Tampa is 8-2 last 10 vs Preds, including 3-0 the last 3 and avg. 3.90 GF/G. The Wings have been sitting in sunny Florida for several days waiting on the Panthers. Florida is 8-2 last 10 vs Wings, including 3-0 the last 3. The last time the Wings won in Florida was 02/2021. 6 of the last 10 meetings have been UNDERS but these are two different teams. 

    Jets visit the bi-polar Blues. Seriously, the Blues might be the hardest team to cap and bet on. They have the ability to show up and beat anyone or the ability to just crap the bed. Numbers say the Jets are 6-2-2 last 10 meetings, including 3-0 the last 3. Jets GF the last 4 meetings: 4, 4, 4, and 4. Another stat, the Jets have won the last 3 trips into St. Louis. Pesky Sens travel to Big D tonight. Dallas with 2 loses in a row, including getting shutout by the Mighty Leafs. Stars should be pissed and it'll be a cake walk, right? Well, the numbers say the Sens are 8-2 vs Dallas the last 10 meetings, including winning the last 3. (I know I say trust the numbers, but I have a hard time with this one). The last 3 meetings have been UNDERS and 7 of the last 10 meetings have been UNDERS. 

    There you go. Now fill in the blanks. What do you want to talk about? 

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    Morning Gentlemen and Jules an_wink

    Soapbox time. How many times am I going to tell myself to learn from history? Ok, I am not saying it is right all the time, but I would be willing to guess it is correct 75% or better. All this time capping, thinking, looking for edges and basically it is all in the numbers imo. Let me just review yesterday:

    Flyers have only won ONE of their last 4 home games vs Caps. Yep, numbers continued.

    Swords/BJ's 7 of the last 10 have been OVERS. Yep, numbers continued

    Flames are 7-2-1 the last 10 meetings. Yep. 

    Here's the one...it would be just like the Rangers to go to Vegas and get the 2 points. Now this one was not a number but individual thought and I didn't play it. 

    Nucks are 8-2 last 10 vs Sharks AND  In fact the Nucks are not scored less than 4 goals in 8 of the last 10 meetings. That's 2 yep's.

    This is not me, these are the numbers. And if you read Puck Talk regularly, you know I keep going back to the numbers on a regular basis. Sure, you get those nights that they don't align but what I am seeing by doing this daily is the numbers (not all most greater than 60%) tell the tail. I realize everyone has their methods of capping and I am not one to question or say one is better than the other. But, I need to trust the numbers more often. 

    Off the Soapbox. Remember I said the Hawks would finish last yesterday, think the BJ's might give them a run. Actually, the last 10 minutes of the 2P they just looked defeated and didn't give a crap. At least in the 3P they came out with a little determination. Can't speak of the rest as I went to sleep. I did awake to see there were goals galore in Edmonton and San Jose. Is it me or is the late games really having fireworks recently? Did see some highlights of the Avs. Man, not the same team as we are used to right now. Oh, only ONE Dog showed up last night, Rangers.  

    Light schedule for a Thursday, guessing due to holidays coming up. Does Rustie continue to keep his head in the clouds tonight? Kings came out firing the other night in Ottawa but it is the D for the Leafs that has been the most impressive part of their game. Numbers say in the last 10, Leafs are 5-3-2, but Kings are 2-1 last 3 games. Will have to dig deeper but the Leafs at home are allowing 2.46 GA and just 26 SOG. Saw Samsonov should be in net. Prop bet on Marner getting a point? Tampa slept walked vs Wings the other night and now get the Preds. NOTE: Preds have had 5 days OFF since their last game. Tampa is 8-2 last 10 vs Preds, including 3-0 the last 3 and avg. 3.90 GF/G. The Wings have been sitting in sunny Florida for several days waiting on the Panthers. Florida is 8-2 last 10 vs Wings, including 3-0 the last 3. The last time the Wings won in Florida was 02/2021. 6 of the last 10 meetings have been UNDERS but these are two different teams. 

    Jets visit the bi-polar Blues. Seriously, the Blues might be the hardest team to cap and bet on. They have the ability to show up and beat anyone or the ability to just crap the bed. Numbers say the Jets are 6-2-2 last 10 meetings, including 3-0 the last 3. Jets GF the last 4 meetings: 4, 4, 4, and 4. Another stat, the Jets have won the last 3 trips into St. Louis. Pesky Sens travel to Big D tonight. Dallas with 2 loses in a row, including getting shutout by the Mighty Leafs. Stars should be pissed and it'll be a cake walk, right? Well, the numbers say the Sens are 8-2 vs Dallas the last 10 meetings, including winning the last 3. (I know I say trust the numbers, but I have a hard time with this one). The last 3 meetings have been UNDERS and 7 of the last 10 meetings have been UNDERS. 

    There you go. Now fill in the blanks. What do you want to talk about? 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 10:09 AM ET #2

    Tonight its Tampa bay/Toronto/Detroit/ Winnipeg and Dallas.
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    Morning Doc, the view up here in the clouds, well it says the Leafs lost another defenseman (Mete) last game and they brought another kid to put into the meatgrinder that is the Leafs defense, but give me Samsonov over Quick any day. Not sure if I'll play it yet, we'll see. Dallas does seems like a play despite the numbers as you stated.And your right about the bi-polar Blues,  I would love to see Helebuyck taking it to a guy like Binnington, like the coach said "just stop the puck" . It must be a distraction to see your goalie ranting and raving over shit instead of being the calm cool presence that he should be. I like the Jets in that one. 

    Good luck today Doc, an_cheers

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    Morning Doc, the view up here in the clouds, well it says the Leafs lost another defenseman (Mete) last game and they brought another kid to put into the meatgrinder that is the Leafs defense, but give me Samsonov over Quick any day. Not sure if I'll play it yet, we'll see. Dallas does seems like a play despite the numbers as you stated.And your right about the bi-polar Blues,  I would love to see Helebuyck taking it to a guy like Binnington, like the coach said "just stop the puck" . It must be a distraction to see your goalie ranting and raving over shit instead of being the calm cool presence that he should be. I like the Jets in that one. 

    Good luck today Doc, an_cheers

     
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    Hey Doc,

    Your mention of Columbus reminded me of about a month ago in PUCK Talk when you mused about imagining Johnny Hockey with the Devils!!!  Talk about a marriage made in heaven (if not for somebody gnawing at his leg that New Jersey was just too close to his parents and friends).

    Hey babe, we'll still have our own home!?  So his wife didn't need to worry about people coming around all the time, like at their Jersey Shore beach house.  Ahhh, the travails of life in these United States when you're guaranteed $68MIL over the next 7 years, but you still can't be happy.  Beating out his teenage heroes, The Flyers, for 7th place in the Metro ain't gonna give him no satisfaction.  Least that's what Mick always says.

    And in that thread I mentioned the CBJs were last in the League with maybe 15 points.  Wow...they're up to 18 pts. now.  Last year 37 wins put them in 6th place (ironically ahead of the Devils and Flyers) with a not-too-shabby 81 points.  Talk about showing up to work, or play, and knowing you're never gonna make the playoffs (even with more cash than you can spend).

    I guess my point (on my semi-pissed off soap box) is how STOOPID people can be.  K...none of us has a crystal ball, but all of us could see the trajectory the Devils were on.  So you have to leap frog the Capitals, the Islanders, and the Devils (not in that order so far in 2022) just to get the 4th spot in the Metro.  HUH???  Columbus was a notch under .500 last season with a -36 goal diff.  What, you were gonna turn that team around?  They're already -34 this season with only 8 wins at the quarter pole.

    Which one of the guys here in the Forum has that tag line, "goaltending is 90% of the game, unless you don't have it then it's 100%"...so true!!!

    Just had to open the steam vent before I carry on with my day lol.

    Cheers !!!

     

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    Hey Doc,

    Your mention of Columbus reminded me of about a month ago in PUCK Talk when you mused about imagining Johnny Hockey with the Devils!!!  Talk about a marriage made in heaven (if not for somebody gnawing at his leg that New Jersey was just too close to his parents and friends).

    Hey babe, we'll still have our own home!?  So his wife didn't need to worry about people coming around all the time, like at their Jersey Shore beach house.  Ahhh, the travails of life in these United States when you're guaranteed $68MIL over the next 7 years, but you still can't be happy.  Beating out his teenage heroes, The Flyers, for 7th place in the Metro ain't gonna give him no satisfaction.  Least that's what Mick always says.

    And in that thread I mentioned the CBJs were last in the League with maybe 15 points.  Wow...they're up to 18 pts. now.  Last year 37 wins put them in 6th place (ironically ahead of the Devils and Flyers) with a not-too-shabby 81 points.  Talk about showing up to work, or play, and knowing you're never gonna make the playoffs (even with more cash than you can spend).

    I guess my point (on my semi-pissed off soap box) is how STOOPID people can be.  K...none of us has a crystal ball, but all of us could see the trajectory the Devils were on.  So you have to leap frog the Capitals, the Islanders, and the Devils (not in that order so far in 2022) just to get the 4th spot in the Metro.  HUH???  Columbus was a notch under .500 last season with a -36 goal diff.  What, you were gonna turn that team around?  They're already -34 this season with only 8 wins at the quarter pole.

    Which one of the guys here in the Forum has that tag line, "goaltending is 90% of the game, unless you don't have it then it's 100%"...so true!!!

    Just had to open the steam vent before I carry on with my day lol.

    Cheers !!!

     

     
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    LOL not "the quarter pole"...the 1/4 pole...my bad  an_horse  an_cannon

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    Kings/leaf over 6.  Kings have scored 12 last 3 and leafs have scores 7 last 2.  Tor just lost a defenseman and Kings defense is leaky.

    Fla/Dallas parlay.  Lines juiced especially Dallas so gonna par.

    FYI

    Letang is back on ice practicing for pens and wearing a normal jersey.

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    Kings/leaf over 6.  Kings have scored 12 last 3 and leafs have scores 7 last 2.  Tor just lost a defenseman and Kings defense is leaky.

    Fla/Dallas parlay.  Lines juiced especially Dallas so gonna par.

    FYI

    Letang is back on ice practicing for pens and wearing a normal jersey.

     
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    Enjoy reading your stuffan_cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by inFAMOUS-STYLE:

    Kings/leaf over 6.  Kings have scored 12 last 3 and leafs have scores 7 last 2.  Tor just lost a defenseman and Kings defense is leaky. Fla/Dallas parlay.  Lines juiced especially Dallas so gonna par. FYI Letang is back on ice practicing for pens and wearing a normal jersey.

    Was just looking at this game, and I 100% agree on LAK Over.peace_5

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    Kings/leaf over 6.  Kings have scored 12 last 3 and leafs have scores 7 last 2.  Tor just lost a defenseman and Kings defense is leaky. Fla/Dallas parlay.  Lines juiced especially Dallas so gonna par. FYI Letang is back on ice practicing for pens and wearing a normal jersey.

    Was just looking at this game, and I 100% agree on LAK Over.peace_5

     
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    Leaning Jets and over today. Goodluck Doc

    Bet the right way and never chase!
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    Preds dads out on this road trip and Elliot is starting ! 

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    @GASportsDoc

    Nice rantbigsmile

    I feel I rely on numbers too much, and am trying to blend in more situational and some of the Line Move/Edge stuff that peel and others apply.  So far the experiment is a huge failure given my current record, but I am learning that you should probably not rely solely on numbers.  I have too many scars from games that the numbers said to take Team X and they lose. 

    Love the AHL angle - where do you get info/stats on AHL...?  Might need to mine for some of those nuggets.peace_5

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    Nice rantbigsmile

    I feel I rely on numbers too much, and am trying to blend in more situational and some of the Line Move/Edge stuff that peel and others apply.  So far the experiment is a huge failure given my current record, but I am learning that you should probably not rely solely on numbers.  I have too many scars from games that the numbers said to take Team X and they lose. 

    Love the AHL angle - where do you get info/stats on AHL...?  Might need to mine for some of those nuggets.peace_5

     
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    Greiss in net for Blues.  More numbers for you.  His last 4 starts,  4, 4, 5 and 5. 

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    Greiss in net for Blues.  More numbers for you.  His last 4 starts,  4, 4, 5 and 5. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 12:51 PM ET #13

    Don't feel like it changes the Jets game much as Binnington is just as bad lately, he's lost his cool , if he ever had any!

    I'm still leaning Jets in this one.

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    Don't feel like it changes the Jets game much as Binnington is just as bad lately, he's lost his cool , if he ever had any!

    I'm still leaning Jets in this one.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 12:51 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Karim22:

    Preds dads out on this road trip and Elliot is starting !

    LOL Karim...good info (I guess/hope).

    I was just about to make a post leaning Preds...huh.

    We all know about the St Louis' moms when they travel it really helps the team, never heard of the Nashville Dads.

    Elliott's got a very good W-L this season, but his stats (3.62GA - .882SV%) are disappointing for Cooper and the Bolts.

    Well...still leaning Preds.

    Cheers buddy  an_cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karim22:

    Preds dads out on this road trip and Elliot is starting !

    LOL Karim...good info (I guess/hope).

    I was just about to make a post leaning Preds...huh.

    We all know about the St Louis' moms when they travel it really helps the team, never heard of the Nashville Dads.

    Elliott's got a very good W-L this season, but his stats (3.62GA - .882SV%) are disappointing for Cooper and the Bolts.

    Well...still leaning Preds.

    Cheers buddy  an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 12:58 PM ET #15

    Buchnevich not playing tonight. 

    and I read somewhere that a Parayko for Nylander is in the talks? 

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    Buchnevich not playing tonight. 

    and I read somewhere that a Parayko for Nylander is in the talks? 

     
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    The Blues were undefeated in the “Mom’s Trip”...and are 9-1-1 in roadtrips involving the parents. So I decided that the next time a team welcomed the parents on the road game I was going to bet on them. Cheers to you buddy an_cheers

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    The Blues were undefeated in the “Mom’s Trip”...and are 9-1-1 in roadtrips involving the parents. So I decided that the next time a team welcomed the parents on the road game I was going to bet on them. Cheers to you buddy an_cheers

     
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    Florida back home after a 5 game road trip. Vic's scenario?

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    God I hope your wrong on that one Doc, would hate to see Nylander go even if it means getting a good defenseman in return. Nylander has matured so much in the last couple years and turned into a great second line threat, although he could be a first liner anywhere! I do see a article mentioning a possible Karlsson to Edmonton trade but that too is unlikely IMO. 

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    God I hope your wrong on that one Doc, would hate to see Nylander go even if it means getting a good defenseman in return. Nylander has matured so much in the last couple years and turned into a great second line threat, although he could be a first liner anywhere! I do see a article mentioning a possible Karlsson to Edmonton trade but that too is unlikely IMO. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 1:30 PM ET #19

    I always pick on the blues and take opposing tt’s. Jets tt ov 3.5 sitting at +135. paint_help Smells fishy 

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    I always pick on the blues and take opposing tt’s. Jets tt ov 3.5 sitting at +135. paint_help Smells fishy 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 1:33 PM ET #20

    I see Brodie is back in the lineup for Toronto though so that's good news thumbs_up

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    I see Brodie is back in the lineup for Toronto though so that's good news thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 1:47 PM ET #21

    Really like the stlouis game over 6 and for some reason I think leafs game over 6 tonight. Thinking leafs get 4-5 tonight Dallas should be pissed,Dallas tt looks good also.Just my 2 cents worth lol

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    Really like the stlouis game over 6 and for some reason I think leafs game over 6 tonight. Thinking leafs get 4-5 tonight Dallas should be pissed,Dallas tt looks good also.Just my 2 cents worth lol

     
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     This^ and jets tt ov 3.5 +135 vs the blues… the blues! Something stinks 

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     This^ and jets tt ov 3.5 +135 vs the blues… the blues! Something stinks 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 4:20 PM ET #24

    Not surprised the VGK lost last night. Back home off a successful road trip that ended with an important win over Boston. 

     

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    Not surprised the VGK lost last night. Back home off a successful road trip that ended with an important win over Boston. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osser:

    Florida back home after a 5 game road trip. Vic's scenario?
    Tread lightly , Panthers have been good in their first game back from a road trip so far this season.

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    Florida back home after a 5 game road trip. Vic's scenario?
    Tread lightly , Panthers have been good in their first game back from a road trip so far this season.

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