How the hell are the Raiders favored by -3.5 when we just saw the worst play from the raiders and the browns defense just showed us how great they can be..
shaduer must be this terrible which is super concerning for the Browns but this line is BEGGING for Browns money..
seems like a huge trap line but I cannot touch the Raiders after what I saw against Dallas.. fishiest line on the board in my opinion..
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How the hell are the Raiders favored by -3.5 when we just saw the worst play from the raiders and the browns defense just showed us how great they can be..
shaduer must be this terrible which is super concerning for the Browns but this line is BEGGING for Browns money..
seems like a huge trap line but I cannot touch the Raiders after what I saw against Dallas.. fishiest line on the board in my opinion..
Idk how you can justify betting that game period. The raiders have to turn over shaduer multiple times to cover that number which is highly likely, but Geno could be so bad this game…a shutout is a realistic possibility. Safest bet in the game is the under which could be risky with both teams potentially scoring on defense?!
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Idk how you can justify betting that game period. The raiders have to turn over shaduer multiple times to cover that number which is highly likely, but Geno could be so bad this game…a shutout is a realistic possibility. Safest bet in the game is the under which could be risky with both teams potentially scoring on defense?!
Sanders may be the worst QB in history. Raiders will likely blitz most plays and Sanders will run backwards and make mistakes. Think it would be a pick em if Gabriel was playing or Raiders-1. Browns defense is by far the best unit on field but they definitely have noticeable road and home splits. I don't know how anyone could bet this game.
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Sanders may be the worst QB in history. Raiders will likely blitz most plays and Sanders will run backwards and make mistakes. Think it would be a pick em if Gabriel was playing or Raiders-1. Browns defense is by far the best unit on field but they definitely have noticeable road and home splits. I don't know how anyone could bet this game.
I agree with the above statement. Why would you want to be involved with this garbage game? Its a coin toss between 2 awful teams. Do you really feel good being on either side? Best bet is probably special teams defensive score and/or both QBs to throw a pick
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I agree with the above statement. Why would you want to be involved with this garbage game? Its a coin toss between 2 awful teams. Do you really feel good being on either side? Best bet is probably special teams defensive score and/or both QBs to throw a pick
I agree that it is hard to play a team that is bad. It is especially hard to play one when both teams are bad.
But there is no such thing as a 'trap game'.
The line opened here with the market maker books and really has not moved. The retail books opened it a bit lower and it quickly got bought up.
What would you have thought the line should be. If you really felt the line should be much lower then why would you not see an edge and play it.
But a lot of it is just LV back home after an embarrassing national TV loss, CLV has not won on the road, and LV has a better QB. It is obviously the lowest spot of the season for LV while CLV has been at their level for a few games now and the last two games have kept them close.
This game also has the lowest total for a reason. You can easily see LV winning the field position game in a FG-type game. Certainly Sanders and that OFF may provide LV with a couple of short fields to maybe get a TD and maybe 2. But with a field position and FG-type game, you can easily see a 20-19 for LV and 17-13 for CLV.
But it is for sure a great game to give a pass to.
But if the line was 'bad' the market would have moved it by now.
I played the U37 when it came out. But I doubt I add to it at any point this week.
Like an old guy told me many years ago, "If you have a great defense and no offense, you will lose a lot of 3-0 games."
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I agree that it is hard to play a team that is bad. It is especially hard to play one when both teams are bad.
But there is no such thing as a 'trap game'.
The line opened here with the market maker books and really has not moved. The retail books opened it a bit lower and it quickly got bought up.
What would you have thought the line should be. If you really felt the line should be much lower then why would you not see an edge and play it.
But a lot of it is just LV back home after an embarrassing national TV loss, CLV has not won on the road, and LV has a better QB. It is obviously the lowest spot of the season for LV while CLV has been at their level for a few games now and the last two games have kept them close.
This game also has the lowest total for a reason. You can easily see LV winning the field position game in a FG-type game. Certainly Sanders and that OFF may provide LV with a couple of short fields to maybe get a TD and maybe 2. But with a field position and FG-type game, you can easily see a 20-19 for LV and 17-13 for CLV.
But it is for sure a great game to give a pass to.
But if the line was 'bad' the market would have moved it by now.
I played the U37 when it came out. But I doubt I add to it at any point this week.
Like an old guy told me many years ago, "If you have a great defense and no offense, you will lose a lot of 3-0 games."
you wouldn’t believe it but there is always someone who wants to put money on the raiders or games like this I would say this is the game to do it..
I’m not touching this game I was just shocked that browns are underdogs to the Raiders.. I do think raiders are the right side and if you are a raiders fan and you were thinking of possibly playing the raiders I would say ML.. but I am staying far far away from this game..
Winning isn’t everything.. It’s the Only thing.
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you wouldn’t believe it but there is always someone who wants to put money on the raiders or games like this I would say this is the game to do it..
I’m not touching this game I was just shocked that browns are underdogs to the Raiders.. I do think raiders are the right side and if you are a raiders fan and you were thinking of possibly playing the raiders I would say ML.. but I am staying far far away from this game..
Sanders may be the worst QB in history. Raiders will likely blitz most plays and Sanders will run backwards and make mistakes. Think it would be a pick em if Gabriel was playing or Raiders-1. Browns defense is by far the best unit on field but they definitely have noticeable road and home splits. I don't know how anyone could bet this game.
I disagree with this a bit. No way at all is Gabriel 3/3.5 points better than Sanders at this point in their careers.
You have to keep in mind Sanders got no starting reps last week. The team also did not block well and the WRs did not finish routes or run them correctly a few times when he was in. This is not to take anything away from him on a couple of his bad throws that were all on him.
Yes, Sanders needs to get step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball quicker. Going backwards and taking sacks is not good; neither is throwing INTs. But he actually made some decent plays. So, it was. not all bad for him considering the circumstances -- especially against a BLT defense that has been better every week lately.
I am certain the coaches will work on a couple of crucial things with him this week.
There is a very good breakdown of every play he did online that is actually worth watching.
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Quote Originally Posted by mchriste619:
Sanders may be the worst QB in history. Raiders will likely blitz most plays and Sanders will run backwards and make mistakes. Think it would be a pick em if Gabriel was playing or Raiders-1. Browns defense is by far the best unit on field but they definitely have noticeable road and home splits. I don't know how anyone could bet this game.
I disagree with this a bit. No way at all is Gabriel 3/3.5 points better than Sanders at this point in their careers.
You have to keep in mind Sanders got no starting reps last week. The team also did not block well and the WRs did not finish routes or run them correctly a few times when he was in. This is not to take anything away from him on a couple of his bad throws that were all on him.
Yes, Sanders needs to get step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball quicker. Going backwards and taking sacks is not good; neither is throwing INTs. But he actually made some decent plays. So, it was. not all bad for him considering the circumstances -- especially against a BLT defense that has been better every week lately.
I am certain the coaches will work on a couple of crucial things with him this week.
There is a very good breakdown of every play he did online that is actually worth watching.
I agree that it is hard to play a team that is bad. It is especially hard to play one when both teams are bad. But there is no such thing as a 'trap game'. The line opened here with the market maker books and really has not moved. The retail books opened it a bit lower and it quickly got bought up. What would you have thought the line should be. If you really felt the line should be much lower then why would you not see an edge and play it. But a lot of it is just LV back home after an embarrassing national TV loss, CLV has not won on the road, and LV has a better QB. It is obviously the lowest spot of the season for LV while CLV has been at their level for a few games now and the last two games have kept them close. This game also has the lowest total for a reason. You can easily see LV winning the field position game in a FG-type game. Certainly Sanders and that OFF may provide LV with a couple of short fields to maybe get a TD and maybe 2. But with a field position and FG-type game, you can easily see a 20-19 for LV and 17-13 for CLV. But it is for sure a great game to give a pass to. But if the line was 'bad' the market would have moved it by now. I played the U37 when it came out. But I doubt I add to it at any point this week. Like an old guy told me many years ago, "If you have a great defense and no offense, you will lose a lot of 3-0 games."
Winning isn’t everything.. It’s the Only thing.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I agree that it is hard to play a team that is bad. It is especially hard to play one when both teams are bad. But there is no such thing as a 'trap game'. The line opened here with the market maker books and really has not moved. The retail books opened it a bit lower and it quickly got bought up. What would you have thought the line should be. If you really felt the line should be much lower then why would you not see an edge and play it. But a lot of it is just LV back home after an embarrassing national TV loss, CLV has not won on the road, and LV has a better QB. It is obviously the lowest spot of the season for LV while CLV has been at their level for a few games now and the last two games have kept them close. This game also has the lowest total for a reason. You can easily see LV winning the field position game in a FG-type game. Certainly Sanders and that OFF may provide LV with a couple of short fields to maybe get a TD and maybe 2. But with a field position and FG-type game, you can easily see a 20-19 for LV and 17-13 for CLV. But it is for sure a great game to give a pass to. But if the line was 'bad' the market would have moved it by now. I played the U37 when it came out. But I doubt I add to it at any point this week. Like an old guy told me many years ago, "If you have a great defense and no offense, you will lose a lot of 3-0 games."
Fair points. It's true he didn't get first team reps in practice and Ravens defense is definitely better than Raiders. Sanders just screams Johnny Manziel to me and I see him having multiple TOs most games and taking too many sacks. Geno has been absolutely awful this year and the Raiders have probably the worst offensive line in football with LT Miller still out and they lost another lineman, Powers-Johnson. I'd take Raiders ML with a gun to my head if had to pick and play the under. Dillon at least wasn't turning the ball over.
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Fair points. It's true he didn't get first team reps in practice and Ravens defense is definitely better than Raiders. Sanders just screams Johnny Manziel to me and I see him having multiple TOs most games and taking too many sacks. Geno has been absolutely awful this year and the Raiders have probably the worst offensive line in football with LT Miller still out and they lost another lineman, Powers-Johnson. I'd take Raiders ML with a gun to my head if had to pick and play the under. Dillon at least wasn't turning the ball over.
The Browns are 0-13 SU on the road past 13 & 0-10 ATS on the road past 10. Eventually the Browns will win &/or cover on the road. I for one will not be betting them hoping it happens.
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The Browns are 0-13 SU on the road past 13 & 0-10 ATS on the road past 10. Eventually the Browns will win &/or cover on the road. I for one will not be betting them hoping it happens.
With only 16 attempts in that situation it is hard to use as a case against Sanders.
With 184 attempts it is enough to use against Gabriel. He has the worst PE/Play of any starter.
Just simply not throwing INTs is not good enough. You have to be efficient and move the ball.
Gabriel has not proved he can do this. I would use this opportunity to try Sanders and see if he can at least do better than the -.095 that Gabriel has.
I am not a pro-Sanders guy. I simply think Gabriel has had enough time. So, let him recover and use that time to see if Sanders has more 'potential'.
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With only 16 attempts in that situation it is hard to use as a case against Sanders.
With 184 attempts it is enough to use against Gabriel. He has the worst PE/Play of any starter.
Just simply not throwing INTs is not good enough. You have to be efficient and move the ball.
Gabriel has not proved he can do this. I would use this opportunity to try Sanders and see if he can at least do better than the -.095 that Gabriel has.
I am not a pro-Sanders guy. I simply think Gabriel has had enough time. So, let him recover and use that time to see if Sanders has more 'potential'.
If Gabriel was playing, I had this game at Browns -3.5. With Sanders starting, I agree with the Book, Raiders -3.5. A 7 point swing because you have an apprentice rookie QB starting his first game who wasn't good enough to beat out the other rookie QB for playing time.
The best bet is Max Crosby and Miles Garrett over on sacks and sprinkle some on a parlay. Those two are going to wreak havoc.
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If Gabriel was playing, I had this game at Browns -3.5. With Sanders starting, I agree with the Book, Raiders -3.5. A 7 point swing because you have an apprentice rookie QB starting his first game who wasn't good enough to beat out the other rookie QB for playing time.
The best bet is Max Crosby and Miles Garrett over on sacks and sprinkle some on a parlay. Those two are going to wreak havoc.
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