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    The money game of the year is upon us: Pats @ Saints

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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 2:10 AM ET #1

    The easiest play of the year thus far is New England over New Orleans.  If you don’t believe me, listen to the facts:

     

    • Saints are 10-0, but it is smoke and mirrors.  The combined records of the Saints victims this season is 37-64 (in other words the average team the beat this year would finish the season at 6-10)
    • The Pats are 7-3.  The combined records of the pats opponents are 46-53 (the average opponent would end the season 7-9, to 8-8)
    • Now the above is not a huge difference, though a definite argument for the pats; not a big diff until you look at what types of teams they beat, or lost to:

    The Pats ave opponent was rated 19.2 on Offense, and 16.3 on Defense.  The Saints ave opponent rated 18.8 (slightly better than Pats opponents), and 18.9 on Defense (clearly inferior to Pats opponents)

    * Both teams have faced 3 opponents with winning records, but Pats faced 8 teams that are 4-6 or better, while the Saints only faced 5 opponents that are 6-4 or better.

     

    • The pats have the 2nd rated Offense, and 6th rated Defense in the nfl.  The Saints have the 6th rated offense, and 15th rated defense.  The Pats are rated higher on both sides of the ball while facing clearly better opponents.
    • The Pats have the 2nd rated pass offense, while the Saints are rated 6th…. All the while the Pats faced the tougher defenses

     

     

    In Short; the Pats have faced better quality opponents, while rating higher on both sides of the ball.  The Saints have the better produced running game, but that could easily be because the Pats have not found anyone lately to slow down their passing game, and did not have to run.  The pats have Brady, who has proven he can win the big games, Brees has never won the big games, a few mediocre games maybe.  The Pats have ‘cheat-a-chek’ (bill) at the helm, and he loves Monday nights, and will out smart Peyton many times over. The absolute best teams the Saints beat this season are the Giants (not too good), and Philly (who was also beaten by the raiders)…. The Pats beat Indy like red headed step children, and let them come back… The Pats are still embarrassed about that Indy game, and want to make it right in front of a national crowd.  All the pressure is on the Saints; trying to prove they can beat a real team, and trying to stay undefeated….. guys, the betting public will keep the line in favor of the Saints, and this is a money game if your bookie can let you give the saints up to 10 pts from the line: moving the line from Pats +3 to Pats -7 you might be able to get a line of +800 ($100 to win $800)

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    The easiest play of the year thus far is New England over New Orleans.  If you don’t believe me, listen to the facts:

     

    • Saints are 10-0, but it is smoke and mirrors.  The combined records of the Saints victims this season is 37-64 (in other words the average team the beat this year would finish the season at 6-10)
    • The Pats are 7-3.  The combined records of the pats opponents are 46-53 (the average opponent would end the season 7-9, to 8-8)
    • Now the above is not a huge difference, though a definite argument for the pats; not a big diff until you look at what types of teams they beat, or lost to:

    The Pats ave opponent was rated 19.2 on Offense, and 16.3 on Defense.  The Saints ave opponent rated 18.8 (slightly better than Pats opponents), and 18.9 on Defense (clearly inferior to Pats opponents)

    * Both teams have faced 3 opponents with winning records, but Pats faced 8 teams that are 4-6 or better, while the Saints only faced 5 opponents that are 6-4 or better.

     

    • The pats have the 2nd rated Offense, and 6th rated Defense in the nfl.  The Saints have the 6th rated offense, and 15th rated defense.  The Pats are rated higher on both sides of the ball while facing clearly better opponents.
    • The Pats have the 2nd rated pass offense, while the Saints are rated 6th…. All the while the Pats faced the tougher defenses

     

     

    In Short; the Pats have faced better quality opponents, while rating higher on both sides of the ball.  The Saints have the better produced running game, but that could easily be because the Pats have not found anyone lately to slow down their passing game, and did not have to run.  The pats have Brady, who has proven he can win the big games, Brees has never won the big games, a few mediocre games maybe.  The Pats have ‘cheat-a-chek’ (bill) at the helm, and he loves Monday nights, and will out smart Peyton many times over. The absolute best teams the Saints beat this season are the Giants (not too good), and Philly (who was also beaten by the raiders)…. The Pats beat Indy like red headed step children, and let them come back… The Pats are still embarrassed about that Indy game, and want to make it right in front of a national crowd.  All the pressure is on the Saints; trying to prove they can beat a real team, and trying to stay undefeated….. guys, the betting public will keep the line in favor of the Saints, and this is a money game if your bookie can let you give the saints up to 10 pts from the line: moving the line from Pats +3 to Pats -7 you might be able to get a line of +800 ($100 to win $800)

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 2:43 AM ET #2

    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...
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    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 2:47 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliCash:

    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...

    Honestly, would take +1000 odds and give the Saints 9.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliCash:

    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...

    Honestly, would take +1000 odds and give the Saints 9.5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 2:56 AM ET #4

    I agree...Saints have been struggling and for some reason still can't get the ball to Colston..ill take brady moss and welker--respect it
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    I agree...Saints have been struggling and for some reason still can't get the ball to Colston..ill take brady moss and welker--respect it
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 2:58 AM ET #5

    If I was to bet this game today just by looking at it. Saints and Saints big. Got to go over some thing though...
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 3:03 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:

    If I was to bet this game today just by looking at it. Saints and Saints big. Got to go over some thing though...

    the bigger the opposition goes, the better the odds I get..... more power to ya brutha, but you will absolutely lose this one, and it will not even be a 'nail biter' after the first 5 minutes of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:

    If I was to bet this game today just by looking at it. Saints and Saints big. Got to go over some thing though...

    the bigger the opposition goes, the better the odds I get..... more power to ya brutha, but you will absolutely lose this one, and it will not even be a 'nail biter' after the first 5 minutes of play.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 3:04 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by renroh123:

    the bigger the opposition goes, the better the odds I get..... more power to ya brutha, but you will absolutely lose this one, and it will not even be a 'nail biter' after the first 5 minutes of play.





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    Quote Originally Posted by renroh123:

    the bigger the opposition goes, the better the odds I get..... more power to ya brutha, but you will absolutely lose this one, and it will not even be a 'nail biter' after the first 5 minutes of play.





     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 3:06 AM ET #8

    Saints will win this game by at least a TD...it's this kind of game where the undefeated team will rise up and make a statement...but they'll lose to some bad team later on.  

    prediction:  31-24

    Covers' bloodbath will take place next MNF...
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    Saints will win this game by at least a TD...it's this kind of game where the undefeated team will rise up and make a statement...but they'll lose to some bad team later on.  

    prediction:  31-24

    Covers' bloodbath will take place next MNF...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardtonsj:

    Saints will win this game by at least a TD...it's this kind of game where the undefeated team will rise up and make a statement...but they'll lose to some bad team later on.  

    prediction:  31-24

    Covers' bloodbath will take place next MNF...






    Renroh you should feel honored cause you just led it off.

    Your statement you gave to me explains quiet a bit how this one will turn out I may not even cap it and just lay the would on the Saints...


    Sure the Saints have played against bad teams with bad records but that means nothing. Haven't you ever looked at from the other side that the Saints are going to want to make a statement to the league that they are for real and what better way in primetime against one of the best. If the Colts win Sunday you better believe the Saints will want to keep on pace. Just adding more fuel to the fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardtonsj:

    Saints will win this game by at least a TD...it's this kind of game where the undefeated team will rise up and make a statement...but they'll lose to some bad team later on.  

    prediction:  31-24

    Covers' bloodbath will take place next MNF...






    Renroh you should feel honored cause you just led it off.

    Your statement you gave to me explains quiet a bit how this one will turn out I may not even cap it and just lay the would on the Saints...


    Sure the Saints have played against bad teams with bad records but that means nothing. Haven't you ever looked at from the other side that the Saints are going to want to make a statement to the league that they are for real and what better way in primetime against one of the best. If the Colts win Sunday you better believe the Saints will want to keep on pace. Just adding more fuel to the fire.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:







    Renroh you should feel honored cause you just led it off.

    Your statement you gave to me explains quiet a bit how this one will turn out I may not even cap it and just lay the would on the Saints...


    Sure the Saints have played against bad teams with bad records but that means nothing. Haven't you ever looked at from the other side that the Saints are going to want to make a statement to the league that they are for real and what better way in primetime against one of the best. If the Colts win Sunday you better believe the Saints will want to keep on pace. Just adding more fuel to the fire.

    Like I said, 'more power to ya brutha', but when the second half starts, and you are pretty much out of it; don't say I did not try to warn you.  I personally detest the Pats, and their fans.  I just can't turn down an opportunity to steal free money.  later.

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    Renroh you should feel honored cause you just led it off.

    Your statement you gave to me explains quiet a bit how this one will turn out I may not even cap it and just lay the would on the Saints...


    Sure the Saints have played against bad teams with bad records but that means nothing. Haven't you ever looked at from the other side that the Saints are going to want to make a statement to the league that they are for real and what better way in primetime against one of the best. If the Colts win Sunday you better believe the Saints will want to keep on pace. Just adding more fuel to the fire.

    Like I said, 'more power to ya brutha', but when the second half starts, and you are pretty much out of it; don't say I did not try to warn you.  I personally detest the Pats, and their fans.  I just can't turn down an opportunity to steal free money.  later.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 3:40 AM ET #12

    I didn't even see the lines but after tonight knew I was going to hammer the Pats. At +3, I'm going large.
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    Think the line is dead on.  Have it 30-27 saints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    Think the line is dead on.  Have it 30-27 saints.

     

    Personally, I would say you are off by about 17 points, but that is just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    Think the line is dead on.  Have it 30-27 saints.

     

    Personally, I would say you are off by about 17 points, but that is just me.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 9:40 AM ET #17

    the saints will trample over the pats lmao do you not watch tape? which saints side are you watching? the pats will get blown out, im buying some points though on the saints spread, -7 i bet them at +130 with bet365.com, do you remember the giants saints game, everyone thought the giants would end there streak lol need i say more.
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    the saints will trample over the pats lmao do you not watch tape? which saints side are you watching? the pats will get blown out, im buying some points though on the saints spread, -7 i bet them at +130 with bet365.com, do you remember the giants saints game, everyone thought the giants would end there streak lol need i say more.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 9:41 AM ET #18

    saints -7, best bet for next mnf
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    I see it close either way. I will wait this one out and see what happens to the line. IMO either team could win by a FG. NE hasn't lost by more than a FG since the first Jets game, and I chalk that one up to a tentative Brady.  Brady is playing better lately. There is a difference in wanting to go undefeated and needing a win. NE needs a win more than NO. NO has a five game lead over slumping ATL. There are safer bets than this one, my opinion! GL no matter who you like.
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    I see it close either way. I will wait this one out and see what happens to the line. IMO either team could win by a FG. NE hasn't lost by more than a FG since the first Jets game, and I chalk that one up to a tentative Brady.  Brady is playing better lately. There is a difference in wanting to go undefeated and needing a win. NE needs a win more than NO. NO has a five game lead over slumping ATL. There are safer bets than this one, my opinion! GL no matter who you like.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 12:01 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliCash:

    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...


    Not really relevant to the conversation, but the spread is so close, that i doubt it's going to make a difference. This is definately a ML game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliCash:

    This is Monday Night in New Orleans.  The Pats will not win this game.  They might cover... but they are not going to win...


    Not really relevant to the conversation, but the spread is so close, that i doubt it's going to make a difference. This is definately a ML game.
     
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    Also, to the gent saying NO will BLOW OUT the pats. hahahaha... I'm no pats fan, but they are too talented to get blown out...
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    Also, to the gent saying NO will BLOW OUT the pats. hahahaha... I'm no pats fan, but they are too talented to get blown out...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokerBeerKush:



    Not really relevant to the conversation, but the spread is so close, that i doubt it's going to make a difference. This is definately a ML game.

    yeah i agree this is a ML game and the pats will win....i cant see the saints win this against the type of talent that the pats have on their roster.....patriots show up for big hype games

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    Not really relevant to the conversation, but the spread is so close, that i doubt it's going to make a difference. This is definately a ML game.

    yeah i agree this is a ML game and the pats will win....i cant see the saints win this against the type of talent that the pats have on their roster.....patriots show up for big hype games

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 12:59 PM ET #24

    Only thing that scares me about NE is that D fense. Belicheck doesn't even trust them. If you've got Brees on your fantasy team this week.
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    Only thing that scares me about NE is that D fense. Belicheck doesn't even trust them. If you've got Brees on your fantasy team this week.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2009 - 3:16 PM ET #25

    Pats vs Saints.

    Damn hurricanes.

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    Pats vs Saints.

    Damn hurricanes.

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