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    DoubleUp4Life
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 9:07 AM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:

    @DoubleUp4Life The main sports that people regularly  believe are rigged are football and basketball In my view this is because these sports are fundamentally flawed in the modern world, as in they have evolved to a point where they rely on referee involvement throughout the game, and very often on multiple occasions that materially affect the outcome  Eg soccer can have a referee award 20 free kicks but the unstructured nature of the game is that it can often have no bearing on the game. However in NFL in most games the flags, or lack of, steer the outcome in so many ways Basketball even worse because at the end of the game every foul call leads to an outcome on the scoreboard not just field position

    Totally agree ...

    Other than futures I almost entirely stopped betting on basketball when Donaghy got busted ( no way is he a lone wolf )...He probably was the only one dumb enough to start betting on what he was instructed to do ..

    Betting on the NFL is a different animal , can't handicap games based on who is the better team or how they match up in the trenches etc ....My most valuable strategy is to wager on or what I think the NFL wants to happen ...These prime time games are comedic gold ...Enjoy watching them much more with no money involved 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:

    @DoubleUp4Life The main sports that people regularly  believe are rigged are football and basketball In my view this is because these sports are fundamentally flawed in the modern world, as in they have evolved to a point where they rely on referee involvement throughout the game, and very often on multiple occasions that materially affect the outcome  Eg soccer can have a referee award 20 free kicks but the unstructured nature of the game is that it can often have no bearing on the game. However in NFL in most games the flags, or lack of, steer the outcome in so many ways Basketball even worse because at the end of the game every foul call leads to an outcome on the scoreboard not just field position

    Totally agree ...

    Other than futures I almost entirely stopped betting on basketball when Donaghy got busted ( no way is he a lone wolf )...He probably was the only one dumb enough to start betting on what he was instructed to do ..

    Betting on the NFL is a different animal , can't handicap games based on who is the better team or how they match up in the trenches etc ....My most valuable strategy is to wager on or what I think the NFL wants to happen ...These prime time games are comedic gold ...Enjoy watching them much more with no money involved 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 9:12 AM ET #102

    Week 15. 2-0. +1,688.40 

    Epl -120.

    Now on a +$15,700+ run over the last 5 weeks ( all sports ) an_woo

    Thankfully that will more than   erase the pending losing NFL Furures ( WFT, CAR and others ) 

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    Week 15. 2-0. +1,688.40 

    Epl -120.

    Now on a +$15,700+ run over the last 5 weeks ( all sports ) an_woo

    Thankfully that will more than   erase the pending losing NFL Furures ( WFT, CAR and others ) 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 2:23 PM ET #103

    @DoubleUp4Life 

    This is from quote from a friend and he probably has more experience gambling on sports than anyone else I know. 
    Q: do you think the NFL is fixed?

    A: “For sure there're fixed events in all sports. Declan Hill has a great book called The Fix. NBA ref fix scandal (read Personal Foul), watch the doc on Netflix Bad Sport college basketball story Basketball Schemes, hell they fixed a World Series.
    Most sports now also shouldered up with various betting sites as well. NFL is an 'entertainment' entity. They can do whatever they want. Maybe Gruden will tell some secrets.” ~CC

    I agree 100% with the quote but there will always be a winner and a loser, so you just need to be on the same side as Vegas to win. 
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    This is from quote from a friend and he probably has more experience gambling on sports than anyone else I know. 
    Q: do you think the NFL is fixed?

    A: “For sure there're fixed events in all sports. Declan Hill has a great book called The Fix. NBA ref fix scandal (read Personal Foul), watch the doc on Netflix Bad Sport college basketball story Basketball Schemes, hell they fixed a World Series.
    Most sports now also shouldered up with various betting sites as well. NFL is an 'entertainment' entity. They can do whatever they want. Maybe Gruden will tell some secrets.” ~CC

    I agree 100% with the quote but there will always be a winner and a loser, so you just need to be on the same side as Vegas to win. 
    BOL

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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 2:49 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishPlots:

    @DoubleUp4Life  This is from quote from a friend and he probably has more experience gambling on sports than anyone else I know. Q: do you think the NFL is fixed? A: “For sure there're fixed events in all sports. Declan Hill has a great book called The Fix. NBA ref fix scandal (read Personal Foul), watch the doc on Netflix Bad Sport college basketball story Basketball Schemes, hell they fixed a World Series. Most sports now also shouldered up with various betting sites as well. NFL is an 'entertainment' entity. They can do whatever they want. Maybe Gruden will tell some secrets.” ~CC I agree 100% with the quote but there will always be a winner and a loser, so you just need to be on the same side as Vegas to win. BOL IP

     

    I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games ...I strongly believe the NFL cares about tv ratings ( keeping it close )  and or helping a desired side in some games ...Whatever is best for the NFL is their objective IMO 

    Books make money,  and will always do so bc most of us sports gamblers are going to lose ....I don't think "Vegas " needs any help from the refs 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishPlots:

    @DoubleUp4Life  This is from quote from a friend and he probably has more experience gambling on sports than anyone else I know. Q: do you think the NFL is fixed? A: “For sure there're fixed events in all sports. Declan Hill has a great book called The Fix. NBA ref fix scandal (read Personal Foul), watch the doc on Netflix Bad Sport college basketball story Basketball Schemes, hell they fixed a World Series. Most sports now also shouldered up with various betting sites as well. NFL is an 'entertainment' entity. They can do whatever they want. Maybe Gruden will tell some secrets.” ~CC I agree 100% with the quote but there will always be a winner and a loser, so you just need to be on the same side as Vegas to win. BOL IP

     

    I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games ...I strongly believe the NFL cares about tv ratings ( keeping it close )  and or helping a desired side in some games ...Whatever is best for the NFL is their objective IMO 

    Books make money,  and will always do so bc most of us sports gamblers are going to lose ....I don't think "Vegas " needs any help from the refs 

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 2:54 PM ET #105

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     I agree. I haven’t seen or read everything you mentioned however I am sure if any were fixed by the players it was college or someone who wasn’t paid a lot. You aren’t going to make a player in the nfl fix a game with these salaries it’s with the refs. Things are scripted all around us, not just sports. The world is a business. The Truman Show has some truth to it but it’s on a more concentrated level. Money ruins everything.

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     I agree. I haven’t seen or read everything you mentioned however I am sure if any were fixed by the players it was college or someone who wasn’t paid a lot. You aren’t going to make a player in the nfl fix a game with these salaries it’s with the refs. Things are scripted all around us, not just sports. The world is a business. The Truman Show has some truth to it but it’s on a more concentrated level. Money ruins everything.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2021 - 9:23 PM ET #106

    Beasley out for the Bills but Pats got a bunch of injuries to some skill position players on offense. Weather is looking good for Sunday.

     

    I'm feeling the Bills+2.5!

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    Beasley out for the Bills but Pats got a bunch of injuries to some skill position players on offense. Weather is looking good for Sunday.

     

    I'm feeling the Bills+2.5!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Beasley out for the Bills but Pats got a bunch of injuries to some skill position players on offense. Weather is looking good for Sunday.   I'm feeling the Bills+2.5!

     Beasley has played hurt all season ..Took some shots to the ribs in the preseason that would have put most players out for months ...Much respect for his toughness!!!   However his run blocking has been a major liability, and he has not been able to play to his normal consistent high level in most games due to the existing injury ...2nd year diamond in the rough Gabe Davis is the future of the BILLS at WR( 7 TDs last season ) , he has looked amazing on film the last few games.....I think you're on the right side , or at least I hope ...Player props and BILLS TT over might be maxed at 1 unit for me..

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Beasley out for the Bills but Pats got a bunch of injuries to some skill position players on offense. Weather is looking good for Sunday.   I'm feeling the Bills+2.5!

     Beasley has played hurt all season ..Took some shots to the ribs in the preseason that would have put most players out for months ...Much respect for his toughness!!!   However his run blocking has been a major liability, and he has not been able to play to his normal consistent high level in most games due to the existing injury ...2nd year diamond in the rough Gabe Davis is the future of the BILLS at WR( 7 TDs last season ) , he has looked amazing on film the last few games.....I think you're on the right side , or at least I hope ...Player props and BILLS TT over might be maxed at 1 unit for me..

     

    BEST OF LUCK BROTHER 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2021 - 10:32 AM ET #108

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     "I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games"

     

    Agree 100 percent...The book has the most to lose from fixing games, now that betting is becoming mainstream.

    Books will give out games where they get slaughtered by the public, but they don't care that much because they will it all back and more when the bet size increases.

     

    But TV/streaming is a different story.  Here are the main groups of fans

     

    1) Average Joes - will turn off game when margin is more than 2TDs

    2) Homers - will turn off when their team is losing by more than 2TDs

    3) Fantasy nerds - probably not watching anyways and just checking phone

    4) Gamblers - will turn it off when spread or total is more than 2 TDs

     

    A ref call here and there, and it is easy to keep all these people watching to the end. 

     

    I think the NFL as a whole also influences games to help teams. I felt that when the Rams moved, they got a lot of help (that Saints non-call).  NFL wanted to build the Rams fan base and help out the owner who spent 4 bil on a stadium.

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     "I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games"

     

    Agree 100 percent...The book has the most to lose from fixing games, now that betting is becoming mainstream.

    Books will give out games where they get slaughtered by the public, but they don't care that much because they will it all back and more when the bet size increases.

     

    But TV/streaming is a different story.  Here are the main groups of fans

     

    1) Average Joes - will turn off game when margin is more than 2TDs

    2) Homers - will turn off when their team is losing by more than 2TDs

    3) Fantasy nerds - probably not watching anyways and just checking phone

    4) Gamblers - will turn it off when spread or total is more than 2 TDs

     

    A ref call here and there, and it is easy to keep all these people watching to the end. 

     

    I think the NFL as a whole also influences games to help teams. I felt that when the Rams moved, they got a lot of help (that Saints non-call).  NFL wanted to build the Rams fan base and help out the owner who spent 4 bil on a stadium.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2021 - 10:35 AM ET #109

    I need these last 3 for the Bills to push the RSW at 11.  Looks like Jax is going to bail me out some, hammered them to finish 4th in the division.  I had about the 3 worst RSW in-season wagers in history with Miami, Pitt and NE.  an_burningbag talk about buying high  they won a combined 20 games in a row after I bet them under  an_lightening

     

    Cinci div and LAC over will help too if they get there.

     

    Did you ever bet Jax worst record?  I thought I bet it but can't find the ticket....

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    I need these last 3 for the Bills to push the RSW at 11.  Looks like Jax is going to bail me out some, hammered them to finish 4th in the division.  I had about the 3 worst RSW in-season wagers in history with Miami, Pitt and NE.  an_burningbag talk about buying high  they won a combined 20 games in a row after I bet them under  an_lightening

     

    Cinci div and LAC over will help too if they get there.

     

    Did you ever bet Jax worst record?  I thought I bet it but can't find the ticket....

     
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     Nice run man!

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     Nice run man!

     
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     What are your picks this week bro

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     What are your picks this week bro

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersharpone:

    @DoubleUp4Life  What are your picks this week bro

    I'm waiting until closer to game day ..Too many things can happen from now to then...

    I'm on Wilson over 67.5 and TD at +240 for a small $125 ..

    Best of luck Brother 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersharpone:

    @DoubleUp4Life  What are your picks this week bro

    I'm waiting until closer to game day ..Too many things can happen from now to then...

    I'm on Wilson over 67.5 and TD at +240 for a small $125 ..

    Best of luck Brother 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    I need these last 3 for the Bills to push the RSW at 11.  Looks like Jax is going to bail me out some, hammered them to finish 4th in the division.  I had about the 3 worst RSW in-season wagers in history with Miami, Pitt and NE.   talk about buying high  they won a combined 20 games in a row after I bet them under     Cinci div and LAC over will help too if they get there.   Did you ever bet Jax worst record?  I thought I bet it but can't find the ticket....

     

    Yeah I have Jax worst record ..

    Really hope that Bengals ticket hits ..Thinking you'll push that BILLS TOTAL ..LAC sure get there too .rsw .

    I took the Cowboys worst team ..lol ..Gotta take shots , you're 3 are funny as well ...

    Really looking forward to that BULLS game next Wednesday....You going?

     

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    I need these last 3 for the Bills to push the RSW at 11.  Looks like Jax is going to bail me out some, hammered them to finish 4th in the division.  I had about the 3 worst RSW in-season wagers in history with Miami, Pitt and NE.   talk about buying high  they won a combined 20 games in a row after I bet them under     Cinci div and LAC over will help too if they get there.   Did you ever bet Jax worst record?  I thought I bet it but can't find the ticket....

     

    Yeah I have Jax worst record ..

    Really hope that Bengals ticket hits ..Thinking you'll push that BILLS TOTAL ..LAC sure get there too .rsw .

    I took the Cowboys worst team ..lol ..Gotta take shots , you're 3 are funny as well ...

    Really looking forward to that BULLS game next Wednesday....You going?

     

     
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     I believe I took Mich St Under 4.5 wins before the season...lol

     

    I'll be there Wednesday.  I hope you can come and let me know if you need more than 2 tickets.

     

    Losing tickets is by far the worst thing about brick and mortar betting...I am 92% positive I bet Jax worst record...odds were +1000 I think....probably 500 bucks missing if I did...oh welll ticket will probably turn up 1day after it expires.

     

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     I believe I took Mich St Under 4.5 wins before the season...lol

     

    I'll be there Wednesday.  I hope you can come and let me know if you need more than 2 tickets.

     

    Losing tickets is by far the worst thing about brick and mortar betting...I am 92% positive I bet Jax worst record...odds were +1000 I think....probably 500 bucks missing if I did...oh welll ticket will probably turn up 1day after it expires.

     

     
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    At least we go ponies to bet on today !!! Lol

     

    What you got !?!?!??! 

     

    Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

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    At least we go ponies to bet on today !!! Lol

     

    What you got !?!?!??! 

     

    Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    @DoubleUp4Life  "I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games"   Agree 100 percent...The book has the most to lose from fixing games, now that betting is becoming mainstream. Books will give out games where they get slaughtered by the public, but they don't care that much because they will it all back and more when the bet size increases.   But TV/streaming is a different story.  Here are the main groups of fans   1) Average Joes - will turn off game when margin is more than 2TDs 2) Homers - will turn off when their team is losing by more than 2TDs 3) Fantasy nerds - probably not watching anyways and just checking phone 4) Gamblers - will turn it off when spread or total is more than 2 TDs   A ref call here and there, and it is easy to keep all these people watching to the end.    I think the NFL as a whole also influences games to help teams. I felt that when the Rams moved, they got a lot of help (that Saints non-call).  NFL wanted to build the Rams fan base and help out the owner who spent 4 bil on a stadium.

     

    We are 100% on the same page with everything you posted above....

     

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    @DoubleUp4Life  "I don't think "Vegas " or sports gambling has that much to do with manipulated games"   Agree 100 percent...The book has the most to lose from fixing games, now that betting is becoming mainstream. Books will give out games where they get slaughtered by the public, but they don't care that much because they will it all back and more when the bet size increases.   But TV/streaming is a different story.  Here are the main groups of fans   1) Average Joes - will turn off game when margin is more than 2TDs 2) Homers - will turn off when their team is losing by more than 2TDs 3) Fantasy nerds - probably not watching anyways and just checking phone 4) Gamblers - will turn it off when spread or total is more than 2 TDs   A ref call here and there, and it is easy to keep all these people watching to the end.    I think the NFL as a whole also influences games to help teams. I felt that when the Rams moved, they got a lot of help (that Saints non-call).  NFL wanted to build the Rams fan base and help out the owner who spent 4 bil on a stadium.

     

    We are 100% on the same page with everything you posted above....

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    @DoubleUp4Life  I believe I took Mich St Under 4.5 wins before the season...lol   I'll be there Wednesday.  I hope you can come and let me know if you need more than 2 tickets.   Losing tickets is by far the worst thing about brick and mortar betting...I am 92% positive I bet Jax worst record...odds were +1000 I think....probably 500 bucks missing if I did...oh welll ticket will probably turn up 1day after it expires.

    Im almost positive you bet the JAGS as well ..We talked at great lengths about our worst team record wagers right after we placed them ...Hope you find it !!  I'm still missing a $160 winning ticket somewhere...Believe i got baked and hid it in a book , unfortunately there are 8 full book cases in the Mrs. relaxation room an_timeout...I've been too lazy to go through them ...an_roll_laugh

     

    That Texans win over the Jags was huge !!!! I'm holding Jags , Lions and Jets  worst record and season wins under tickets..

    I'll definitely be there Wednesday ( God willing ) , probably just me as the kids both have practices I the afternoon .....WE NEED to be the home court advantage an_blowhorn

     

     

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    @DoubleUp4Life  I believe I took Mich St Under 4.5 wins before the season...lol   I'll be there Wednesday.  I hope you can come and let me know if you need more than 2 tickets.   Losing tickets is by far the worst thing about brick and mortar betting...I am 92% positive I bet Jax worst record...odds were +1000 I think....probably 500 bucks missing if I did...oh welll ticket will probably turn up 1day after it expires.

    Im almost positive you bet the JAGS as well ..We talked at great lengths about our worst team record wagers right after we placed them ...Hope you find it !!  I'm still missing a $160 winning ticket somewhere...Believe i got baked and hid it in a book , unfortunately there are 8 full book cases in the Mrs. relaxation room an_timeout...I've been too lazy to go through them ...an_roll_laugh

     

    That Texans win over the Jags was huge !!!! I'm holding Jags , Lions and Jets  worst record and season wins under tickets..

    I'll definitely be there Wednesday ( God willing ) , probably just me as the kids both have practices I the afternoon .....WE NEED to be the home court advantage an_blowhorn

     

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fools_Gold:

    @DoubleUp4Life   At least we go ponies to bet on today !!! Lol   What you got !?!?!??!    Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

     

    Thank you Brother 

    Merry Christmas to you and your Family ....

    Funny you should mention the ponies an_roll_laugh..I played a degen pick 4 at Gulfstream today .... Christmas eve is usually lucky for me at the track an_popcorn

    50 cent pick 4  ($60)

    Race 7.  1,4,5,6,7

    Race 8.     8,10 

    Race 9.   1,2,6,7

    Race 10.   4,8,9 

     

    Best of luck Fam , sweep your board 

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    @DoubleUp4Life   At least we go ponies to bet on today !!! Lol   What you got !?!?!??!    Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

     

    Thank you Brother 

    Merry Christmas to you and your Family ....

    Funny you should mention the ponies an_roll_laugh..I played a degen pick 4 at Gulfstream today .... Christmas eve is usually lucky for me at the track an_popcorn

    50 cent pick 4  ($60)

    Race 7.  1,4,5,6,7

    Race 8.     8,10 

    Race 9.   1,2,6,7

    Race 10.   4,8,9 

     

    Best of luck Fam , sweep your board 

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