First he never said that. Rex insinuated that he should stay in the pocket 'more' not 'all the time'. And that points to a less mobile philosophy for a QB that needs to be mobile.
Second he has stayed in the pocket more. He has 2 rushes total right now which is trending under his full-game average.
Obviously when he has an opportunity for a TD or first down he will take it and he did. What head coach would tell his player to stay in a pocket to protect himself for the long-term with open field ahead of him?
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Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:
Rex " Tyrod's going to stay in the pocket"
First he never said that. Rex insinuated that he should stay in the pocket 'more' not 'all the time'. And that points to a less mobile philosophy for a QB that needs to be mobile.
Second he has stayed in the pocket more. He has 2 rushes total right now which is trending under his full-game average.
Obviously when he has an opportunity for a TD or first down he will take it and he did. What head coach would tell his player to stay in a pocket to protect himself for the long-term with open field ahead of him?
how in fu.kks name is it lucky for suuma that you didnt make a bet on a specific team??
Dude, why are you always coming on here trying to make sense of these idiots? People on here making these idiotic statements need to be left alone. Their a bunch of idiots, let it go. Suuma, let's get on to the playoffs!!
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:
how in fu.kks name is it lucky for suuma that you didnt make a bet on a specific team??
Dude, why are you always coming on here trying to make sense of these idiots? People on here making these idiotic statements need to be left alone. Their a bunch of idiots, let it go. Suuma, let's get on to the playoffs!!
Dude, why are you always coming on here trying to make sense of these idiots? People on here making these idiotic statements need to be left alone. Their a bunch of idiots, let it go. Suuma, let's get on to the playoffs!!
well,apologies i guess..when i see stupidity it is natural instinct to point it out....but you are right,the planet seems over-run with morons at the moment.
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Quote Originally Posted by rakets:
Dude, why are you always coming on here trying to make sense of these idiots? People on here making these idiotic statements need to be left alone. Their a bunch of idiots, let it go. Suuma, let's get on to the playoffs!!
well,apologies i guess..when i see stupidity it is natural instinct to point it out....but you are right,the planet seems over-run with morons at the moment.
I have read every post in this thread and this is a very intriguing game indeed. I want to point out a few things though: you mean to tell me off a win against NE AND A CHANCE TO CLINCH A PLAYOFF SPOT, the jets are only a 2.5 favorite? You take home field away from buffalo and the jets are only about a 5 or 6 favorite on a neutral field? Hmmmm. Also, the bills are banged up, big time yet that is definitely not factored into this line. I can't think that the "Rex Ryan factor" makes this game a 2.5 game in favor of the jets. In my eyes, after beating new england last week, it should be at least 5 or 6 in favor of the jets. The line hasn't even moved all week. The whole world is on the jets, rightfully so but why no line movement? Im no genius but that is weird in such a big game.
Lastly, last week the jets got theirs against New England. We can pretend that New England got beat up but they aren't healthy and with Miami on deck, they didn't go all in. The jets won, I give it to them. Pittsburgh, last week, after coming back to beat Denver the week before lays an egg against Baltimore, a team that beat them In Pittsburgh already. Youd think Pitt would have remembered that, right? To the amateur bettor though, they feel Pitt just got outplayed, right? Yeah ok. They got beat by Ryan Mallett.......Baltimore.....maybe the worst secondary in the league; they hold Pitt under 20?! What I'm getting at is this: I feel this could be a HUUUUUUUGE trap for jets backers becuase they just aren't supposed to get in, Pittsburgh is. Pittsburgh is due for a gift this week after obeying the lopsided bloodbath they and black and yellow backers took. I get it guys, what I just said is a minority type angle especially to suuma who plays games straight up ( I respect that and his capping and he is one of the best). I am on the other side in that I feel there is a bigger picture when it comes to this chess game, the NFL. If this line sticks at -2.5, with McCoy not playing and Rex already beating the jets, is this a gift? Well....as we all know nothing gets handed to anyone in this league and usually when it's too good to be true, it is. I'm gonna watch this line movement- right now all signs point to the jets but it's too good to be true. I thought I would mention this too; I thought this was interesting: there is an NFL commercial that shows the steelers three times in it along with other teams who have all clinched playoff spots. What is the commercial about? The NFL PLAYOFFS. It plays no bearing on my picks but it is very interesting....... GL TO ALL
Spot on with this post. Pittsburgh laid down last week, no way they didn't get in this week. Big Ben over fitz and the league agreed. Very eerie how bad the jets looked in the opponents territory; it wasn't a coincidence. my trap comment in my eyes was right on. Great year by the jets though suuma. GL in the playoffs bud
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
I have read every post in this thread and this is a very intriguing game indeed. I want to point out a few things though: you mean to tell me off a win against NE AND A CHANCE TO CLINCH A PLAYOFF SPOT, the jets are only a 2.5 favorite? You take home field away from buffalo and the jets are only about a 5 or 6 favorite on a neutral field? Hmmmm. Also, the bills are banged up, big time yet that is definitely not factored into this line. I can't think that the "Rex Ryan factor" makes this game a 2.5 game in favor of the jets. In my eyes, after beating new england last week, it should be at least 5 or 6 in favor of the jets. The line hasn't even moved all week. The whole world is on the jets, rightfully so but why no line movement? Im no genius but that is weird in such a big game.
Lastly, last week the jets got theirs against New England. We can pretend that New England got beat up but they aren't healthy and with Miami on deck, they didn't go all in. The jets won, I give it to them. Pittsburgh, last week, after coming back to beat Denver the week before lays an egg against Baltimore, a team that beat them In Pittsburgh already. Youd think Pitt would have remembered that, right? To the amateur bettor though, they feel Pitt just got outplayed, right? Yeah ok. They got beat by Ryan Mallett.......Baltimore.....maybe the worst secondary in the league; they hold Pitt under 20?! What I'm getting at is this: I feel this could be a HUUUUUUUGE trap for jets backers becuase they just aren't supposed to get in, Pittsburgh is. Pittsburgh is due for a gift this week after obeying the lopsided bloodbath they and black and yellow backers took. I get it guys, what I just said is a minority type angle especially to suuma who plays games straight up ( I respect that and his capping and he is one of the best). I am on the other side in that I feel there is a bigger picture when it comes to this chess game, the NFL. If this line sticks at -2.5, with McCoy not playing and Rex already beating the jets, is this a gift? Well....as we all know nothing gets handed to anyone in this league and usually when it's too good to be true, it is. I'm gonna watch this line movement- right now all signs point to the jets but it's too good to be true. I thought I would mention this too; I thought this was interesting: there is an NFL commercial that shows the steelers three times in it along with other teams who have all clinched playoff spots. What is the commercial about? The NFL PLAYOFFS. It plays no bearing on my picks but it is very interesting....... GL TO ALL
Spot on with this post. Pittsburgh laid down last week, no way they didn't get in this week. Big Ben over fitz and the league agreed. Very eerie how bad the jets looked in the opponents territory; it wasn't a coincidence. my trap comment in my eyes was right on. Great year by the jets though suuma. GL in the playoffs bud
This isn't the "same old Jets"
team. This isn't the Bills team from 2014. If it was last year, I would
sweat my pants but not this time. When Rex Ryan said "maybe we are going
to run the ball 40 times a game next year" I knew the Bills won't make
the playoffs. Rex is a great motivator and was a great defensive mind at
New York, but he doesn't know how to run an offense. He thinks that if
his team can pound the ball, he is going to win a lot of Football games.
But he isn't able to pay a statistics geek to tell him that there is
virtually no correlation between yards per carry and scoring points.
70%
of the winning teams have more total rush yards than their opponent
because they milk the clock in the second half and the losing team needs
to air it out. That's the whole secret. That's why playoff defenses
show low numbers. Total yards just mean NOTHING. The Bills are the
number one team in total rushing yards per game but they are far away
from the playoffs. A good running game sets up the passing game and
sometimes you might see a RB breaking tackles for a 60yd TD. But in the
long run you need to pass efficiently to score points. If someone says
this is bullsh*t, just go on and I will bomb you with several examples
and explanations. Look what the Seahawks and Chiefs do without Lynch and
Charles.
The Bills from 2014 had the best overall defense in
the league. They were #1 in pass DVOA and #12 in run DVOA. They had the
best pass rush in the league. Rex Ryan turned this defense into complete
bullsh*t. Before the Cowboys game they were the #29 total defense in
DVOA, #22 in pass and #30 in rush. The Cowboys game was much closer than
people think. The Cowboys were moving the chains without Dez Bryant and
Kellen Moore at QB AT Buffalo. They have the #18 scoring defense at
21.9 PPG. Their offense looks very good by looking at the numbers (#7
total DVOA) and that's something that made me shaking my head so I took a
look deeper, because watching tape tells us a different story. Their
offensive efficiency doesn't really translate to their offensive PPG at
22.7 (#13). They have a variance of 10% in their DVOA numbers which is
the third-worst value. It means they have been playing VERY
inconsistently. Also their PPG are inflated due to two big wins against
one of the worst defenses in the league of the Miami Dolphins. The
eye-test proves me right: this is an average offense. After reading that
stuff, add to that: the Bills have played a below average schedule. The
Jets have also played a worse schedule BUT there is one difference: the
Jets have a top-5 defense and a top-10 offense scoring wise. That's the
difference between a 7-8 and a 10-5 team. The Bills have two quality
wins on their schedule: vs. HOU and at NYJ. The latter one is the game I
just watched again this morning:
In week 10, the Bills caught
the Jets in a terrible spot. I had a lean on the Bills in this game. The
Jets were in the middle of their bad stretch of the season and were on a
short week after they barely won vs. the Jaguars. The Bills blew out
the Dolphins off their bye week and Rex Ryan had his players motivated
like heck. The Jets just came out flat during the first half. But even
though the score was 19-3 Bills at some point, the game itself was much
closer than people think and the Jets beat themselves in this game with a
turnover ratio of 0-4. It was just a terrible spot for them.
-Brandon Marshall dropped a first down pass in Jets territory that led to a FG: 3-3 -Devin Smith fumbled the kickoff return for a return TD: 9-3 Bills -Missed tackles & poor coverage by Davis on Karlos Williams: 19-3 Bills -Chris Ivory fumbled in Jets territory which lead to a FG: 22-3
After
the last score the Jets shut the Bills offense down for 23 minutes and
moved the chains for two touchdowns but it wasn't enough. They also had a
turnover on downs on 4th and 2 in the Bills' red zone. If Bowles had
gone for the FG, this game would have went to overtime! They weren't
able to overcome the four turnovers and the poor first half performance.
The
Bills have been motivated but they weren't the better team
matchup-wise. When they didn't have a short field, the Jets defense shut
them completely down. Tyrod Tailor was scrambling around, he got sacked
6 times. The Bills put ONE single drive of more than 60 yards together,
that's it.
The Jets have been playing consistently on both sides
of the ball. They can start fast, they can close out games. This isn't
the same old Jets team. Todd Bowles brought a whole new attitude into
this organization. Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown very good QB play and
Marshall/Decker are the best WR tandem in the league. Chris Ivory and
Bilal Powell can punish opposing defenses on the ground and on
screen/shuffle passes. This is the 10th best passing offense in DVOA,
2nd best RZ offense, the 6th best scoring offense & the 11th best
3rd down offense. The defense has been STELLAR. They just held the
Patriots to 1/10 on third downs and 13 offensive points recently. The
pass rush will once again get to Tyrod Tailor and Revis has been playing
better since he came back from concussion.
LeSean McCoy is
likely done, Marcell Dareus is doubtful after he had no feeling in his
hand on Sunday, Mario Williams has a clinch with Rex Ryan, Stephon
Gilmore is out, Nigel Bradham & Charles Clay are Q, Robert Woods is
out, Ronald Darby was out last Sunday.
This already poor playing
defense has some serious personnel issues. The Jets are on a roll and
they are going to score at will here with the right gameplan. Without
McCoy, Woods and probably Clay, I can't see the Bills offense keeping
more than 13 points on the board against this Jets defense.
Summary: if
you want to bet the Bills, keep in mind that you are taking the worse
team which is banged up and you are relying solely on the hope that the
Jets bring another turnover-festival because the motivational speech of
Rex Ryan won't be enough. He just doesn't have the personnel to compete
with a hot Jets team in their biggest game in four years.
Don't be a fool, take the better team!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
New York Jets -3 +105
This isn't the "same old Jets"
team. This isn't the Bills team from 2014. If it was last year, I would
sweat my pants but not this time. When Rex Ryan said "maybe we are going
to run the ball 40 times a game next year" I knew the Bills won't make
the playoffs. Rex is a great motivator and was a great defensive mind at
New York, but he doesn't know how to run an offense. He thinks that if
his team can pound the ball, he is going to win a lot of Football games.
But he isn't able to pay a statistics geek to tell him that there is
virtually no correlation between yards per carry and scoring points.
70%
of the winning teams have more total rush yards than their opponent
because they milk the clock in the second half and the losing team needs
to air it out. That's the whole secret. That's why playoff defenses
show low numbers. Total yards just mean NOTHING. The Bills are the
number one team in total rushing yards per game but they are far away
from the playoffs. A good running game sets up the passing game and
sometimes you might see a RB breaking tackles for a 60yd TD. But in the
long run you need to pass efficiently to score points. If someone says
this is bullsh*t, just go on and I will bomb you with several examples
and explanations. Look what the Seahawks and Chiefs do without Lynch and
Charles.
The Bills from 2014 had the best overall defense in
the league. They were #1 in pass DVOA and #12 in run DVOA. They had the
best pass rush in the league. Rex Ryan turned this defense into complete
bullsh*t. Before the Cowboys game they were the #29 total defense in
DVOA, #22 in pass and #30 in rush. The Cowboys game was much closer than
people think. The Cowboys were moving the chains without Dez Bryant and
Kellen Moore at QB AT Buffalo. They have the #18 scoring defense at
21.9 PPG. Their offense looks very good by looking at the numbers (#7
total DVOA) and that's something that made me shaking my head so I took a
look deeper, because watching tape tells us a different story. Their
offensive efficiency doesn't really translate to their offensive PPG at
22.7 (#13). They have a variance of 10% in their DVOA numbers which is
the third-worst value. It means they have been playing VERY
inconsistently. Also their PPG are inflated due to two big wins against
one of the worst defenses in the league of the Miami Dolphins. The
eye-test proves me right: this is an average offense. After reading that
stuff, add to that: the Bills have played a below average schedule. The
Jets have also played a worse schedule BUT there is one difference: the
Jets have a top-5 defense and a top-10 offense scoring wise. That's the
difference between a 7-8 and a 10-5 team. The Bills have two quality
wins on their schedule: vs. HOU and at NYJ. The latter one is the game I
just watched again this morning:
In week 10, the Bills caught
the Jets in a terrible spot. I had a lean on the Bills in this game. The
Jets were in the middle of their bad stretch of the season and were on a
short week after they barely won vs. the Jaguars. The Bills blew out
the Dolphins off their bye week and Rex Ryan had his players motivated
like heck. The Jets just came out flat during the first half. But even
though the score was 19-3 Bills at some point, the game itself was much
closer than people think and the Jets beat themselves in this game with a
turnover ratio of 0-4. It was just a terrible spot for them.
-Brandon Marshall dropped a first down pass in Jets territory that led to a FG: 3-3 -Devin Smith fumbled the kickoff return for a return TD: 9-3 Bills -Missed tackles & poor coverage by Davis on Karlos Williams: 19-3 Bills -Chris Ivory fumbled in Jets territory which lead to a FG: 22-3
After
the last score the Jets shut the Bills offense down for 23 minutes and
moved the chains for two touchdowns but it wasn't enough. They also had a
turnover on downs on 4th and 2 in the Bills' red zone. If Bowles had
gone for the FG, this game would have went to overtime! They weren't
able to overcome the four turnovers and the poor first half performance.
The
Bills have been motivated but they weren't the better team
matchup-wise. When they didn't have a short field, the Jets defense shut
them completely down. Tyrod Tailor was scrambling around, he got sacked
6 times. The Bills put ONE single drive of more than 60 yards together,
that's it.
The Jets have been playing consistently on both sides
of the ball. They can start fast, they can close out games. This isn't
the same old Jets team. Todd Bowles brought a whole new attitude into
this organization. Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown very good QB play and
Marshall/Decker are the best WR tandem in the league. Chris Ivory and
Bilal Powell can punish opposing defenses on the ground and on
screen/shuffle passes. This is the 10th best passing offense in DVOA,
2nd best RZ offense, the 6th best scoring offense & the 11th best
3rd down offense. The defense has been STELLAR. They just held the
Patriots to 1/10 on third downs and 13 offensive points recently. The
pass rush will once again get to Tyrod Tailor and Revis has been playing
better since he came back from concussion.
LeSean McCoy is
likely done, Marcell Dareus is doubtful after he had no feeling in his
hand on Sunday, Mario Williams has a clinch with Rex Ryan, Stephon
Gilmore is out, Nigel Bradham & Charles Clay are Q, Robert Woods is
out, Ronald Darby was out last Sunday.
This already poor playing
defense has some serious personnel issues. The Jets are on a roll and
they are going to score at will here with the right gameplan. Without
McCoy, Woods and probably Clay, I can't see the Bills offense keeping
more than 13 points on the board against this Jets defense.
Summary: if
you want to bet the Bills, keep in mind that you are taking the worse
team which is banged up and you are relying solely on the hope that the
Jets bring another turnover-festival because the motivational speech of
Rex Ryan won't be enough. He just doesn't have the personnel to compete
with a hot Jets team in their biggest game in four years.
All that nonsense in that wall of text and not a single word was ever read.
Based on the -3 spread in Buff, Jets would be -9 vs. the Bills in NY. Jets were -8 vs Tenn. So Tenn is 1 point better than Buff FUKKING LMAO That's how stupid you are.
The line in the first matchup was Jets -2.5 at home. lol they must have improved 6.5 points. The Westgate advanced line last week was Bills -1.5
This pick shows you are nothing more than an overreaction Monday public square with zero understanding of the true nature of the NFL or line value.
Pro tips for everyone that OP doesn't understand: -Buy low, sell high -Squares bet teams, sharps bet lines
Jets are at their highest just because they won an OT game vs. Pats. If they lose that game, Bills are probably favored here. OP is also just betting the Jets because they're the Jets, regardless if the line is chit and makes zero sense.
Thanks for the fade
Thanks
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Quote Originally Posted by BarrelledIn:
All that nonsense in that wall of text and not a single word was ever read.
Based on the -3 spread in Buff, Jets would be -9 vs. the Bills in NY. Jets were -8 vs Tenn. So Tenn is 1 point better than Buff FUKKING LMAO That's how stupid you are.
The line in the first matchup was Jets -2.5 at home. lol they must have improved 6.5 points. The Westgate advanced line last week was Bills -1.5
This pick shows you are nothing more than an overreaction Monday public square with zero understanding of the true nature of the NFL or line value.
Pro tips for everyone that OP doesn't understand: -Buy low, sell high -Squares bet teams, sharps bet lines
Jets are at their highest just because they won an OT game vs. Pats. If they lose that game, Bills are probably favored here. OP is also just betting the Jets because they're the Jets, regardless if the line is chit and makes zero sense.
1-2 yesterday. Got backdoored on CIN and then got a return by an OAK backdoor cover.
Once again, congrats Bills bettors. Their defense is still horrible like I said. I just didn't expect the worst offensive output of the Jets season.
Jets had 7 or 8 dropped passes that killed drives, missed a FG, threw a red zone INT and still put up 17 points on the road. Now you know why it was the best offensive season in franchise history and how the Bills defense declined under Rex Ryan.
Their offense was limited and benefited from bad special teams play. They used 6 linemen and underneath throws to Sammy Watkins and out-routes with Greg Salas but it was successful enough because the Jets were just so bad.
On to the playoffs!
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1-2 yesterday. Got backdoored on CIN and then got a return by an OAK backdoor cover.
Once again, congrats Bills bettors. Their defense is still horrible like I said. I just didn't expect the worst offensive output of the Jets season.
Jets had 7 or 8 dropped passes that killed drives, missed a FG, threw a red zone INT and still put up 17 points on the road. Now you know why it was the best offensive season in franchise history and how the Bills defense declined under Rex Ryan.
Their offense was limited and benefited from bad special teams play. They used 6 linemen and underneath throws to Sammy Watkins and out-routes with Greg Salas but it was successful enough because the Jets were just so bad.
70% of money was on Jets. Line moved to -2.5 begging for more square money.
However the script was already written.
Luckily for you I didn't have the cojones to back this Buffalo Buffoons.
Jets may win this but they won't cover.
Interesting that everytime I call you out, you hide and don't respond. Then you come back later with a nonsense-comment. Are you afraid?
"Maybe you are using the same sources that told you to bet the Lions +4
versus the Cardinals as a lock? Or the Lions +2.5 over the Vikes as your
game of the month?"
"FadeORdie my friend. If we have learned just ONE thing this season, it's
that your fade-the-public talk is pure bullsh*t as you went no better
than 50% with your assumptions in my thread. If we count your isolated
picks you posted in my thread you went like 2-7 ?!"
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Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:
Still think Vegas wants even money on games?
70% of money was on Jets. Line moved to -2.5 begging for more square money.
However the script was already written.
Luckily for you I didn't have the cojones to back this Buffalo Buffoons.
Jets may win this but they won't cover.
Interesting that everytime I call you out, you hide and don't respond. Then you come back later with a nonsense-comment. Are you afraid?
"Maybe you are using the same sources that told you to bet the Lions +4
versus the Cardinals as a lock? Or the Lions +2.5 over the Vikes as your
game of the month?"
"FadeORdie my friend. If we have learned just ONE thing this season, it's
that your fade-the-public talk is pure bullsh*t as you went no better
than 50% with your assumptions in my thread. If we count your isolated
picks you posted in my thread you went like 2-7 ?!"
1-2 yesterday. Got backdoored on CIN and then got a return by an OAK backdoor cover.
Once again, congrats Bills bettors. Their defense is still horrible like I said. I just didn't expect the worst offensive output of the Jets season.
Jets had 7 or 8 dropped passes that killed drives, missed a FG, threw a red zone INT and still put up 17 points on the road. Now you know why it was the best offensive season in franchise history and how the Bills defense declined under Rex Ryan.
Their offense was limited and benefited from bad special teams play. They used 6 linemen and underneath throws to Sammy Watkins and out-routes with Greg Salas but it was successful enough because the Jets were just so bad.
On to the playoffs!
Here we go. Good luck, Summa!
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
1-2 yesterday. Got backdoored on CIN and then got a return by an OAK backdoor cover.
Once again, congrats Bills bettors. Their defense is still horrible like I said. I just didn't expect the worst offensive output of the Jets season.
Jets had 7 or 8 dropped passes that killed drives, missed a FG, threw a red zone INT and still put up 17 points on the road. Now you know why it was the best offensive season in franchise history and how the Bills defense declined under Rex Ryan.
Their offense was limited and benefited from bad special teams play. They used 6 linemen and underneath throws to Sammy Watkins and out-routes with Greg Salas but it was successful enough because the Jets were just so bad.
. Perfect timing Jets. Right in Rex's back yard)....
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