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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 3:01 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Great to see so many familiar names here. Sorry I didn't get a chance to check back in.

    I laid a unit -155 on the SF ML against GB and immediately rolled it over on SF pk -108 after the line opened. Rolling with these guys all the way and hope to turn 1 unit into 12+. Have 1.65 to win 1.53 for this week.

    Respect the Panthers, but think they are in very tough. 1st playoff game for this whole group. They've only scored 15.8 PPG against defenses in the top half in terms of points allowed. Their one NFL WR will be severely hampered if he does play at all, and they play an elite D playing at a high level. Not sure they exceed 10 points.

    SF has lost 1 road game ATS all season. They are as seasoned as they come. There's always value on the road teams in spots like this when you've got the better group and they are focused/motivated. They won't be intimated a bit and are the type of team that THRIVES in situations like this. We get the standard HFA priced in for Carolina when it doesn't really exist. This line would be SF -4.5/5 on a neutral and instead we get free points. Now that is value.

    GL.

    Agree 100%. I'm with you on the Niners. 

    Way back in april, I did my yearly futures plays where I take a dark horse AFC and NFC team and take them to win their division, the AFC/NFC, and the Super Bowl. Cincinnati just let me down majorly(not that they were a huge underdog or dark horse), but I took a shot on Carolina because I thought they could have an elite defense when finally healthy, I LOVED their 1st round draft pick who I thought was the final piece of the puzzle for them on D(solidifying their run stoppage), and I really liked how Cam played down the stretch where they went like 5-1 late to finish at 8-8. Early in 2012, the OC got a little too cute with Newton and they got away from that they did best which was power running with their two backs with a sprinkle of Cam on some options. End of the year, they really played good and I thought the odds were crazy high for a team with such promise. 

    Anyway, now its playoff time and they got a bye and I'm hoping they would get a weaker team in the 1st round. Maybe NO -3.5, or Philly/GB -4.5. That would leave me to where I could bet the dog plus the points in this round and try to get a nice middle for a couple units. And then who knows. They get to the Super Bowl and play a SD type and are -6 setting me up for a 2/3k kind of middle opportunity. Alas, they got the one truly dangerous team in the conference and are dogs in the 1st round so my hopes are pretty much shattered for both my props(huge money for me) and the opp to hedge/middle. 

    So my wager is on SF PK for 1.5 units(enough to cover my 1/2 unit CAR props plus a few extra bucks) and it is a hedge of sorts, but its a hedge I fully believe in. These are two good football teams but if there's one tougher and meaner team out there than the Panthers, its the niners. Toe to toe, their defenses are both top notch and a challenge for the opposing offenses, but I give the edge in running to SF, and I give the edge for all around playmakers for their QB to SF. You got a hobbled Steve Smith who is their only legit playmaker. I do like the Williams/Tolbert combo(Stewart too if he's playing I have no idea), but it will be tough to run on SF, and I give the edge to Gore and Hunter especially knowing the aggressive front 7 of the panthers will have to watch for Kap to possibly bring out his run option. SF I also have to give the edge to getting pressure on the QB. Panthers have a mighty front 7 of some great athletic and fast football players, but defensively, they play more of a base kind of scheme. They don't blitz as much, and use their talented guys up front to plug the run and stop the short passing game. SF is built more to really bring it and I think they have a better shot of rattling Cam than vice versa. Before I mentioned "play makers" before I got off track, but Kap has his safety blanket back in Crabtree. He has Boldin now free on the other side. Vernon will be firing up the seams and keeping those linebackers busy from keying in on other spots. 

    Idk, I'll be rooting for Carolina with every inch of my soul Sunday, but I just don't think they can get it done. When I say I took SF for 1.5 units, that's not just me prattling on about my prop chances and talking out loud about a hedge. I really think SF rocks them. 2014 might be Carolina's year though. It they can keep their core team, get ONE last productive year out of 89, spend some money to buy a good/great WR in free agency and then draft a CB or two and hopefully get a stud.....NEXT YEAR could be their year. 

    Andy, good to see u dude. Hope all is going well with u  
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Great to see so many familiar names here. Sorry I didn't get a chance to check back in.

    I laid a unit -155 on the SF ML against GB and immediately rolled it over on SF pk -108 after the line opened. Rolling with these guys all the way and hope to turn 1 unit into 12+. Have 1.65 to win 1.53 for this week.

    Respect the Panthers, but think they are in very tough. 1st playoff game for this whole group. They've only scored 15.8 PPG against defenses in the top half in terms of points allowed. Their one NFL WR will be severely hampered if he does play at all, and they play an elite D playing at a high level. Not sure they exceed 10 points.

    SF has lost 1 road game ATS all season. They are as seasoned as they come. There's always value on the road teams in spots like this when you've got the better group and they are focused/motivated. They won't be intimated a bit and are the type of team that THRIVES in situations like this. We get the standard HFA priced in for Carolina when it doesn't really exist. This line would be SF -4.5/5 on a neutral and instead we get free points. Now that is value.

    GL.

    Agree 100%. I'm with you on the Niners. 

    Way back in april, I did my yearly futures plays where I take a dark horse AFC and NFC team and take them to win their division, the AFC/NFC, and the Super Bowl. Cincinnati just let me down majorly(not that they were a huge underdog or dark horse), but I took a shot on Carolina because I thought they could have an elite defense when finally healthy, I LOVED their 1st round draft pick who I thought was the final piece of the puzzle for them on D(solidifying their run stoppage), and I really liked how Cam played down the stretch where they went like 5-1 late to finish at 8-8. Early in 2012, the OC got a little too cute with Newton and they got away from that they did best which was power running with their two backs with a sprinkle of Cam on some options. End of the year, they really played good and I thought the odds were crazy high for a team with such promise. 

    Anyway, now its playoff time and they got a bye and I'm hoping they would get a weaker team in the 1st round. Maybe NO -3.5, or Philly/GB -4.5. That would leave me to where I could bet the dog plus the points in this round and try to get a nice middle for a couple units. And then who knows. They get to the Super Bowl and play a SD type and are -6 setting me up for a 2/3k kind of middle opportunity. Alas, they got the one truly dangerous team in the conference and are dogs in the 1st round so my hopes are pretty much shattered for both my props(huge money for me) and the opp to hedge/middle. 

    So my wager is on SF PK for 1.5 units(enough to cover my 1/2 unit CAR props plus a few extra bucks) and it is a hedge of sorts, but its a hedge I fully believe in. These are two good football teams but if there's one tougher and meaner team out there than the Panthers, its the niners. Toe to toe, their defenses are both top notch and a challenge for the opposing offenses, but I give the edge in running to SF, and I give the edge for all around playmakers for their QB to SF. You got a hobbled Steve Smith who is their only legit playmaker. I do like the Williams/Tolbert combo(Stewart too if he's playing I have no idea), but it will be tough to run on SF, and I give the edge to Gore and Hunter especially knowing the aggressive front 7 of the panthers will have to watch for Kap to possibly bring out his run option. SF I also have to give the edge to getting pressure on the QB. Panthers have a mighty front 7 of some great athletic and fast football players, but defensively, they play more of a base kind of scheme. They don't blitz as much, and use their talented guys up front to plug the run and stop the short passing game. SF is built more to really bring it and I think they have a better shot of rattling Cam than vice versa. Before I mentioned "play makers" before I got off track, but Kap has his safety blanket back in Crabtree. He has Boldin now free on the other side. Vernon will be firing up the seams and keeping those linebackers busy from keying in on other spots. 

    Idk, I'll be rooting for Carolina with every inch of my soul Sunday, but I just don't think they can get it done. When I say I took SF for 1.5 units, that's not just me prattling on about my prop chances and talking out loud about a hedge. I really think SF rocks them. 2014 might be Carolina's year though. It they can keep their core team, get ONE last productive year out of 89, spend some money to buy a good/great WR in free agency and then draft a CB or two and hopefully get a stud.....NEXT YEAR could be their year. 

    Andy, good to see u dude. Hope all is going well with u  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 3:39 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear:

    trust me, I've made more money on Carolina and been more spot on with them than just about anyone here. Had them vs NE, NO at home, vs tb at home, vs atl at home took no on the road etc...check my threads. This team is good but sf is better and will win. Not sure why I'm wasting my time because you will be nowhere to be found after the game unless of course Carolina pulls it out..Typical covers fasion. GL . NONETHELESS

    I will be here win or lose, I do this for a living and have been doing so for a long time, Carolina +2.5 and +120 money line bet Monday at the south point, again I want to thank jimmy vaccaro for the great line he gave me, his opinions have been terrible and it just so happens I bet against his last 3 and got the best number in the world. thank you jimmy v, sincerely you know who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear:

    trust me, I've made more money on Carolina and been more spot on with them than just about anyone here. Had them vs NE, NO at home, vs tb at home, vs atl at home took no on the road etc...check my threads. This team is good but sf is better and will win. Not sure why I'm wasting my time because you will be nowhere to be found after the game unless of course Carolina pulls it out..Typical covers fasion. GL . NONETHELESS

    I will be here win or lose, I do this for a living and have been doing so for a long time, Carolina +2.5 and +120 money line bet Monday at the south point, again I want to thank jimmy vaccaro for the great line he gave me, his opinions have been terrible and it just so happens I bet against his last 3 and got the best number in the world. thank you jimmy v, sincerely you know who.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 4:36 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Great to see so many familiar names here. Sorry I didn't get a chance to check back in.

    I laid a unit -155 on the SF ML against GB and immediately rolled it over on SF pk -108 after the line opened. Rolling with these guys all the way and hope to turn 1 unit into 12+. Have 1.65 to win 1.53 for this week.

    Respect the Panthers, but think they are in very tough. 1st playoff game for this whole group. They've only scored 15.8 PPG against defenses in the top half in terms of points allowed. Their one NFL WR will be severely hampered if he does play at all, and they play an elite D playing at a high level. Not sure they exceed 10 points.

    SF has lost 1 road game ATS all season. They are as seasoned as they come. There's always value on the road teams in spots like this when you've got the better group and they are focused/motivated. They won't be intimated a bit and are the type of team that THRIVES in situations like this. We get the standard HFA priced in for Carolina when it doesn't really exist. This line would be SF -4.5/5 on a neutral and instead we get free points. Now that is value.

    GL.

    Thank you for returning and posting such great insight!!! I've only heard espn, sports illustrated, sporting news, and every other post in here proclaiming the niners as the hot team and no way Carolina has a chance Sunday.  Truly remarkable post.  I can't believe you were gone all season, thanks so much for returning!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Great to see so many familiar names here. Sorry I didn't get a chance to check back in.

    I laid a unit -155 on the SF ML against GB and immediately rolled it over on SF pk -108 after the line opened. Rolling with these guys all the way and hope to turn 1 unit into 12+. Have 1.65 to win 1.53 for this week.

    Respect the Panthers, but think they are in very tough. 1st playoff game for this whole group. They've only scored 15.8 PPG against defenses in the top half in terms of points allowed. Their one NFL WR will be severely hampered if he does play at all, and they play an elite D playing at a high level. Not sure they exceed 10 points.

    SF has lost 1 road game ATS all season. They are as seasoned as they come. There's always value on the road teams in spots like this when you've got the better group and they are focused/motivated. They won't be intimated a bit and are the type of team that THRIVES in situations like this. We get the standard HFA priced in for Carolina when it doesn't really exist. This line would be SF -4.5/5 on a neutral and instead we get free points. Now that is value.

    GL.

    Thank you for returning and posting such great insight!!! I've only heard espn, sports illustrated, sporting news, and every other post in here proclaiming the niners as the hot team and no way Carolina has a chance Sunday.  Truly remarkable post.  I can't believe you were gone all season, thanks so much for returning!!!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2014 - 9:29 AM ET #54

    Interesting thing about the 9ers is, they have not done well ATS on the road in the playoffs unless you got the early line.

    Last week if you did not get in before going to 3 you pushed but could of won fading the 9ers as some books did go to 3.5

    Last year VS Atlanta on the road had you not got the early line under 4 you either pushed or lost at 4.5, with many here on the site grabbing Falcons +4.5.

    By fading the 9ers on the road in playoffs you'd could be 3-0 ATS getting the best line but only 2-1 backing the 9ers on the road getting the best line, including the SB road loss as a favorite as well.

    I would not call that value on a team that is so razor thin covering the spread on the road that one needed to get in early or risk pushing or losing, to me that sounds an awful like a overvalued team when the money really likes the team pushes the line  up.

    A lot of talk about how the 9ers are hot, the hottest team coming into the playoffs does not do as well as people think, in fact no hottest team has  posted a winning spread record throughout the playoffs since I first posted this about hot teams back in 2009.

    And one could of won fading the 9ers last week or worst case pushed, we'll see if this years version of the hottest team will do better than those in the past.

     

     

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    Interesting thing about the 9ers is, they have not done well ATS on the road in the playoffs unless you got the early line.

    Last week if you did not get in before going to 3 you pushed but could of won fading the 9ers as some books did go to 3.5

    Last year VS Atlanta on the road had you not got the early line under 4 you either pushed or lost at 4.5, with many here on the site grabbing Falcons +4.5.

    By fading the 9ers on the road in playoffs you'd could be 3-0 ATS getting the best line but only 2-1 backing the 9ers on the road getting the best line, including the SB road loss as a favorite as well.

    I would not call that value on a team that is so razor thin covering the spread on the road that one needed to get in early or risk pushing or losing, to me that sounds an awful like a overvalued team when the money really likes the team pushes the line  up.

    A lot of talk about how the 9ers are hot, the hottest team coming into the playoffs does not do as well as people think, in fact no hottest team has  posted a winning spread record throughout the playoffs since I first posted this about hot teams back in 2009.

    And one could of won fading the 9ers last week or worst case pushed, we'll see if this years version of the hottest team will do better than those in the past.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2014 - 5:11 PM ET #55

    No reason to stop riding this team and rollover. Not going to wait around and fired early on the ML.

    Risking 3.18 to win 5.22


    Don't see any reason this isn't a coin flip game. These teams know each other inside and out and I expect a dogfight. Autobet here in a tight game with a great team as a dog. Hawks have an edge on D, but SF has more playmakers. Seattle's offense has struggled to finish up the season and they don't really have any pass catchers that scare you.

    Not buying SEA HFA here either. This SF team is too experienced and playing with too much confidence. I have a tough time seeing them wilt. Don't really care what happened here the last two times. Throw last year's game out. It was a horrible spot for SF and Harbaugh said they had nothing left after that NE game the week before. Everything that could have went wrong did for SF in Week 2. They are a much improved team and aren't going into a new environment. They've been in this stadium before and won't melt down because of the crowd. They'll lose because the Seahawks make more plays.

    Flip a coin. Odd feeling the Hawks feel the pressure here. SF is surging and is that crowd going to get a little antsy if the pass game struggles again? There were murmurs in the Saints game.

    Winner of this game should win the Super Bowl. These are easily the two most complete teams in the league. The remaining AFC teams have big holes and are very good matchups for SF and SEA.


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    No reason to stop riding this team and rollover. Not going to wait around and fired early on the ML.

    Risking 3.18 to win 5.22


    Don't see any reason this isn't a coin flip game. These teams know each other inside and out and I expect a dogfight. Autobet here in a tight game with a great team as a dog. Hawks have an edge on D, but SF has more playmakers. Seattle's offense has struggled to finish up the season and they don't really have any pass catchers that scare you.

    Not buying SEA HFA here either. This SF team is too experienced and playing with too much confidence. I have a tough time seeing them wilt. Don't really care what happened here the last two times. Throw last year's game out. It was a horrible spot for SF and Harbaugh said they had nothing left after that NE game the week before. Everything that could have went wrong did for SF in Week 2. They are a much improved team and aren't going into a new environment. They've been in this stadium before and won't melt down because of the crowd. They'll lose because the Seahawks make more plays.

    Flip a coin. Odd feeling the Hawks feel the pressure here. SF is surging and is that crowd going to get a little antsy if the pass game struggles again? There were murmurs in the Saints game.

    Winner of this game should win the Super Bowl. These are easily the two most complete teams in the league. The remaining AFC teams have big holes and are very good matchups for SF and SEA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    No reason to stop riding this team and rollover. Not going to wait around and fired early on the ML.

    Risking 3.18 to win 5.22


    Don't see any reason this isn't a coin flip game. These teams know each other inside and out and I expect a dogfight. Autobet here in a tight game with a great team as a dog. Hawks have an edge on D, but SF has more playmakers. Seattle's offense has struggled to finish up the season and they don't really have any pass catchers that scare you.

    Not buying SEA HFA here either. This SF team is too experienced and playing with too much confidence. I have a tough time seeing them wilt. Don't really care what happened here the last two times. Throw last year's game out. It was a horrible spot for SF and Harbaugh said they had nothing left after that NE game the week before. Everything that could have went wrong did for SF in Week 2. They are a much improved team and aren't going into a new environment. They've been in this stadium before and won't melt down because of the crowd. They'll lose because the Seahawks make more plays.

    Flip a coin. Odd feeling the Hawks feel the pressure here. SF is surging and is that crowd going to get a little antsy if the pass game struggles again? There were murmurs in the Saints game.

    Winner of this game should win the Super Bowl. These are easily the two most complete teams in the league. The remaining AFC teams have big holes and are very good matchups for SF and SEA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    No reason to stop riding this team and rollover. Not going to wait around and fired early on the ML.

    Risking 3.18 to win 5.22


    Don't see any reason this isn't a coin flip game. These teams know each other inside and out and I expect a dogfight. Autobet here in a tight game with a great team as a dog. Hawks have an edge on D, but SF has more playmakers. Seattle's offense has struggled to finish up the season and they don't really have any pass catchers that scare you.

    Not buying SEA HFA here either. This SF team is too experienced and playing with too much confidence. I have a tough time seeing them wilt. Don't really care what happened here the last two times. Throw last year's game out. It was a horrible spot for SF and Harbaugh said they had nothing left after that NE game the week before. Everything that could have went wrong did for SF in Week 2. They are a much improved team and aren't going into a new environment. They've been in this stadium before and won't melt down because of the crowd. They'll lose because the Seahawks make more plays.

    Flip a coin. Odd feeling the Hawks feel the pressure here. SF is surging and is that crowd going to get a little antsy if the pass game struggles again? There were murmurs in the Saints game.

    Winner of this game should win the Super Bowl. These are easily the two most complete teams in the league. The remaining AFC teams have big holes and are very good matchups for SF and SEA.


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    Nice work Mac.    Where do you stand on San Fran against the Hawks and the 12th man?
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    Nice work Mac.    Where do you stand on San Fran against the Hawks and the 12th man?
     
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    Man was I off on SF, they are the team to beat in the NFC and sb, good job, I wont make this mistake again, I will be on sf and Denver,,Denver will probably win going away vs pats
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    Man was I off on SF, they are the team to beat in the NFC and sb, good job, I wont make this mistake again, I will be on sf and Denver,,Denver will probably win going away vs pats
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Man was I off on SF, they are the team to beat in the NFC and sb, good job, I wont make this mistake again, I will be on sf and Denver,,Denver will probably win going away vs pats

    win going away? hmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Man was I off on SF, they are the team to beat in the NFC and sb, good job, I wont make this mistake again, I will be on sf and Denver,,Denver will probably win going away vs pats

    win going away? hmmmmm

     
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    This is the first time one could of made money backing the team with the most straight up wins coming into the playoffs since at least 2008, I haven't looked beyond that.

    However, if 9efs lose this week one could of made money fading 9ers as well getting the best available lin in GB game of +3.5..

    Which would then be 6 straight years making money fading the team with the most consecutive wins entering the playoffs.

     

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    This is the first time one could of made money backing the team with the most straight up wins coming into the playoffs since at least 2008, I haven't looked beyond that.

    However, if 9efs lose this week one could of made money fading 9ers as well getting the best available lin in GB game of +3.5..

    Which would then be 6 straight years making money fading the team with the most consecutive wins entering the playoffs.

     

     
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    I agree ...I think SF takes Super Bowl this year ....they match up well with whoever wins between Denver and pats ....I say Denver beat pats 30-26 and niners win 19-14 and then .......niners beat Denver 27-24.....how you like dem apples?!
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    I agree ...I think SF takes Super Bowl this year ....they match up well with whoever wins between Denver and pats ....I say Denver beat pats 30-26 and niners win 19-14 and then .......niners beat Denver 27-24.....how you like dem apples?!
     
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    Andarmac, are you the guy with the ”darts”?”
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    Andarmac, are you the guy with the ”darts”?”
     
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    HAV THE FAITH,,TAKIN SAN/FRAN 1H,,AND DENVER 1H,,,

    AGREE OR DISAGREE,FOLKS ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY...

    WHICH TEAMS HAVE THE BEST DRAWING POWER...

    SAN/FRAN AND DENVER,,

    WATCH FOR THE REF'S RED FLAG IN EACH GAME...........

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    HAV THE FAITH,,TAKIN SAN/FRAN 1H,,AND DENVER 1H,,,

    AGREE OR DISAGREE,FOLKS ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY...

    WHICH TEAMS HAVE THE BEST DRAWING POWER...

    SAN/FRAN AND DENVER,,

    WATCH FOR THE REF'S RED FLAG IN EACH GAME...........

     
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    Have looked at this game quite a bit and have a strong case of buyer's remorse.

    Would only be a 1 unit loss if SF loses as I was playing with house money. May hedge off some with a bet on the Hawks ML.

    Seattle is the play here.

    They are simply the better team and they are the better team even when SF is healthy like they are now. The Niners had a good matchup against GB and great matchup against a bunch of rookies in Carolina last week who made many playcalling mistakes and took several dumb penalties on the field. They weren't ready for the playoffs, as expected. Newton moved the football on this secondary last week with mediocre talent at receiver. Wilson is a better QB and should do the same IMO.

    SF faces a much better QB and a much better defense this week on the road for the 4th consecutive week. Seattle is going to win this game for the same reason I liked them to win the Saints game: They have the better QB and better defense at home. Simple as that.

    I'll end up rooting for SF because they will win the Super Bowl if they win this week and I'll cash the rollover, but my thinking is Seattle is the play here.


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    Have looked at this game quite a bit and have a strong case of buyer's remorse.

    Would only be a 1 unit loss if SF loses as I was playing with house money. May hedge off some with a bet on the Hawks ML.

    Seattle is the play here.

    They are simply the better team and they are the better team even when SF is healthy like they are now. The Niners had a good matchup against GB and great matchup against a bunch of rookies in Carolina last week who made many playcalling mistakes and took several dumb penalties on the field. They weren't ready for the playoffs, as expected. Newton moved the football on this secondary last week with mediocre talent at receiver. Wilson is a better QB and should do the same IMO.

    SF faces a much better QB and a much better defense this week on the road for the 4th consecutive week. Seattle is going to win this game for the same reason I liked them to win the Saints game: They have the better QB and better defense at home. Simple as that.

    I'll end up rooting for SF because they will win the Super Bowl if they win this week and I'll cash the rollover, but my thinking is Seattle is the play here.


     
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    Andy,
    I've read alot of your NFL stuff over the last few years and consider you to have the finest opinions/writeups on this website. Respect your opinions greatly. Sucks to be seeing this last post from you, as I am already heavily invested in SF with both straight bets and futures.

    However, I do remember you also flip-flopping on last year's Superbowl as well. I think you could be making that same mistake again here. I do not think Seattle is the better team, and although they have a favorable HFA, I think Kap is finally ready to handle the hostile conditions. He is as confident a kid as they come. That Week 2 game was an eternity ago and he's finally had a full season under center, even though everyone keeps referencing the 2 losses @Seattle in regard to Kap. 

    SF has been the best overall team in football for the better part of 2 months now. Seattle's offense struggled to move the ball against the Saints D (as well as toward the end of the reg. season vs AZ and STL), so I would be wary that they move it effectively against a great San Francisco D. I feel that SF had a travel hangover in the 1H against Carolina last week, and they slowly woke up toward the end of 1H, and then poured it on Carolina in the 2H. I dont see that happeniing this week, as the game is 2500 miles closer to home, in the same time zone, and also has a later start time. It should be a classic FG game, but I still feel SF has enough offensive weaponry to overcome the tremendous Seattle defense, as well as a clutch kicker. Sticking with Frisco here. Good luck with your wagers. 
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    Andy,
    I've read alot of your NFL stuff over the last few years and consider you to have the finest opinions/writeups on this website. Respect your opinions greatly. Sucks to be seeing this last post from you, as I am already heavily invested in SF with both straight bets and futures.

    However, I do remember you also flip-flopping on last year's Superbowl as well. I think you could be making that same mistake again here. I do not think Seattle is the better team, and although they have a favorable HFA, I think Kap is finally ready to handle the hostile conditions. He is as confident a kid as they come. That Week 2 game was an eternity ago and he's finally had a full season under center, even though everyone keeps referencing the 2 losses @Seattle in regard to Kap. 

    SF has been the best overall team in football for the better part of 2 months now. Seattle's offense struggled to move the ball against the Saints D (as well as toward the end of the reg. season vs AZ and STL), so I would be wary that they move it effectively against a great San Francisco D. I feel that SF had a travel hangover in the 1H against Carolina last week, and they slowly woke up toward the end of 1H, and then poured it on Carolina in the 2H. I dont see that happeniing this week, as the game is 2500 miles closer to home, in the same time zone, and also has a later start time. It should be a classic FG game, but I still feel SF has enough offensive weaponry to overcome the tremendous Seattle defense, as well as a clutch kicker. Sticking with Frisco here. Good luck with your wagers. 
     
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    Andarmac, so you're rooting for both sides? Or if SF happens to win, then you like them to win the SB. But wouldn't be surprised if Seattle ends up taking this game? What about spread?
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    Andarmac, so you're rooting for both sides? Or if SF happens to win, then you like them to win the SB. But wouldn't be surprised if Seattle ends up taking this game? What about spread?
     
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    On the same side as you. My friends are SF fans and we've discussed in depth on how healthy SF has become which has completed their team. They are the hottest team in the NFL. Before the playoffs started they were my SB pick.

    I won't bet on the game b/c I would bet SF and I think this game is a push. 23-20 final for SEA.

    I genuinely believe SEA is in major trouble this week. SF is going to beat them up, but SEA won't break. I believe the x-factor is when I watched the SEA games in SEA, I find the refs to allow their DB to get away with a lot. I know this is just a guess, but I consider it an educated guess. Their secondary rarely get calls against them and this will factor into the game.

    You can run on SF and Lynch will be a factor. Gore will do his part, but won't dominate. SEA wins the turnover game. Boldin plays a major part in the game b/c he's a gamer. SEA walks out on Sunday wounded by victorious.

    Going to be an NFL fan and enjoy the game. SF should win, but not this year. I believe next year is SF year. They will win their division, get home field. Reminds me of years ago when the powers shifted from SF to Dallas.  Soon SF, but not yet.

    Good Luck this wknd.
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    On the same side as you. My friends are SF fans and we've discussed in depth on how healthy SF has become which has completed their team. They are the hottest team in the NFL. Before the playoffs started they were my SB pick.

    I won't bet on the game b/c I would bet SF and I think this game is a push. 23-20 final for SEA.

    I genuinely believe SEA is in major trouble this week. SF is going to beat them up, but SEA won't break. I believe the x-factor is when I watched the SEA games in SEA, I find the refs to allow their DB to get away with a lot. I know this is just a guess, but I consider it an educated guess. Their secondary rarely get calls against them and this will factor into the game.

    You can run on SF and Lynch will be a factor. Gore will do his part, but won't dominate. SEA wins the turnover game. Boldin plays a major part in the game b/c he's a gamer. SEA walks out on Sunday wounded by victorious.

    Going to be an NFL fan and enjoy the game. SF should win, but not this year. I believe next year is SF year. They will win their division, get home field. Reminds me of years ago when the powers shifted from SF to Dallas.  Soon SF, but not yet.

    Good Luck this wknd.
     
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    Thanks for posting Mac.  This board sorely misses you.    

    Agree that you can almost throw out the last 2 games in Seattle.  Long time ago, different teams under different circumstances.  And SF actually kept that last game in Seattle close until the wheels fell off.  I'd actually be more worried as an SF fan if they hadn't played in Seattle before...i think their previous failures only give more feedback for future success.  Kap's previous struggles in Seattle are just that - previous...this kid's confidence is unworldly, and after surviving -10* in GB, hostile Carolina, (not to mention winning in Foxboro, New Orleans, ATL, and Arizona over the last 2 years) this SF team truly believes it can win anywhere.    

    I got SF at +4 (-120) and ML (+150).  As these teams are evenly matched, it probably comes down to turnovers and penalties.  Which team can pick up those key first downs?  I can see at least a few SF drives ending up in punts or fg's because of blatant holds and P.I.'s not called.  SF is also good for at least 1 or 2 personal foul helmet to helmet penalties, whether warranted or not, that can extend Seattle drives and end up in points.  

    They key for SF is protecting the ball and avoiding turnovers, because I think their D shuts down Seattle to a certain extent...bend but don't break, like they have shown throughout the last 2-3 years.  Give up the underneath stuff, make tackles, force a turnover, get a big sack, and pray Wilson doesn't extend plays with his legs, which he will.

    Kap has been rifling passes and squeezing them in really tight spots...a few could have easily been picked...Seattle's ball hawks worry me...gonna be a great game!!!
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    Thanks for posting Mac.  This board sorely misses you.    

    Agree that you can almost throw out the last 2 games in Seattle.  Long time ago, different teams under different circumstances.  And SF actually kept that last game in Seattle close until the wheels fell off.  I'd actually be more worried as an SF fan if they hadn't played in Seattle before...i think their previous failures only give more feedback for future success.  Kap's previous struggles in Seattle are just that - previous...this kid's confidence is unworldly, and after surviving -10* in GB, hostile Carolina, (not to mention winning in Foxboro, New Orleans, ATL, and Arizona over the last 2 years) this SF team truly believes it can win anywhere.    

    I got SF at +4 (-120) and ML (+150).  As these teams are evenly matched, it probably comes down to turnovers and penalties.  Which team can pick up those key first downs?  I can see at least a few SF drives ending up in punts or fg's because of blatant holds and P.I.'s not called.  SF is also good for at least 1 or 2 personal foul helmet to helmet penalties, whether warranted or not, that can extend Seattle drives and end up in points.  

    They key for SF is protecting the ball and avoiding turnovers, because I think their D shuts down Seattle to a certain extent...bend but don't break, like they have shown throughout the last 2-3 years.  Give up the underneath stuff, make tackles, force a turnover, get a big sack, and pray Wilson doesn't extend plays with his legs, which he will.

    Kap has been rifling passes and squeezing them in really tight spots...a few could have easily been picked...Seattle's ball hawks worry me...gonna be a great game!!!
     
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    Ahh, sorry to see you on SF, Andy. I hit Seattle -3.5 and think they roll. I'll come back with some more thoughts later in the week. Glad u to see u posting again.
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    Ahh, sorry to see you on SF, Andy. I hit Seattle -3.5 and think they roll. I'll come back with some more thoughts later in the week. Glad u to see u posting again.
     
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    MathGuy81 - I did flip-flop on last year's Super Bowl and have flipped on other games in the past as well at this stage of the season (a moronic flip to PIT in that Super Bowl after riding that Packer train hard that season). Maybe I over think the games at this point of the season.

    I may still let the rollover ride and hope for the best. Have a few days to decide, but upon closer examination I do think Seattle is the play. To me they are the better team and have been the best team in the league all season. Kap can be wildly inconsistent and throws 3-5 terrible passes a game. Those balls get picked off against Seattle, and I think the SF playmaker edge isn't as pronounced as I thought. Sherman will shut one of those WR completely down and Vernon Davis has never been able to do anything against this version of SEA's LB and Safeties. In 4 games against SEA in the last two seasons Davis has 6 catches for 67 yards...in 4 games!

    Raidernator76 - No clue about the spread. Not sure what to do yet about taking Seattle ML. And yes, if SF does win here I believe they win the Super Bowl. Both AFC teams are going to get beaten up by either SF or SEA. Neither team has a good D and they will be exposed. Manning can't throw downfield and SEA's corners will jam his WR so his screens won't work and SF's linebackers will run them down with their speed. New England switched to a power run team because their receivers are pathetic and Brady has regressed significantly. NE won't be able to run on SF or SEA and their backs and LB will eat those rinky-dink receivers for lunch.

    FrozenTundra - Gl bud.

    mushroomspore - Good to see you. I agree that SF can win anywhere and it helps they've played here before. They won't be intimidated. I'm just not sure they can make more plays and Kap can go a full game without turning it over against the best secondary in years.
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    MathGuy81 - I did flip-flop on last year's Super Bowl and have flipped on other games in the past as well at this stage of the season (a moronic flip to PIT in that Super Bowl after riding that Packer train hard that season). Maybe I over think the games at this point of the season.

    I may still let the rollover ride and hope for the best. Have a few days to decide, but upon closer examination I do think Seattle is the play. To me they are the better team and have been the best team in the league all season. Kap can be wildly inconsistent and throws 3-5 terrible passes a game. Those balls get picked off against Seattle, and I think the SF playmaker edge isn't as pronounced as I thought. Sherman will shut one of those WR completely down and Vernon Davis has never been able to do anything against this version of SEA's LB and Safeties. In 4 games against SEA in the last two seasons Davis has 6 catches for 67 yards...in 4 games!

    Raidernator76 - No clue about the spread. Not sure what to do yet about taking Seattle ML. And yes, if SF does win here I believe they win the Super Bowl. Both AFC teams are going to get beaten up by either SF or SEA. Neither team has a good D and they will be exposed. Manning can't throw downfield and SEA's corners will jam his WR so his screens won't work and SF's linebackers will run them down with their speed. New England switched to a power run team because their receivers are pathetic and Brady has regressed significantly. NE won't be able to run on SF or SEA and their backs and LB will eat those rinky-dink receivers for lunch.

    FrozenTundra - Gl bud.

    mushroomspore - Good to see you. I agree that SF can win anywhere and it helps they've played here before. They won't be intimidated. I'm just not sure they can make more plays and Kap can go a full game without turning it over against the best secondary in years.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:

    Ahh, sorry to see you on SF, Andy. I hit Seattle -3.5 and think they roll. I'll come back with some more thoughts later in the week. Glad u to see u posting again.


    Having major second thoughts buddy. I think Seattle is the side.


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    Ahh, sorry to see you on SF, Andy. I hit Seattle -3.5 and think they roll. I'll come back with some more thoughts later in the week. Glad u to see u posting again.


    Having major second thoughts buddy. I think Seattle is the side.


     
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    SF will win a close one, its there time, this is a first for Seattle, like how your Carolina team that had never been there, Seattle in same position but you like Seattle now? I think your over thinking this game, anyways Denver should beat pats by 20
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    SF will win a close one, its there time, this is a first for Seattle, like how your Carolina team that had never been there, Seattle in same position but you like Seattle now? I think your over thinking this game, anyways Denver should beat pats by 20
     
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    Having major second thoughts buddy. I think Seattle is the side.




    Damnit Mac! I've been riding this train with you...for what it's worth, whenever I over-think a game or switch sides, the initial lean is right 90% of the time. Seattle could be the side but only switch if you have a damn good reason for doing so. Sadly agree with your thoughts on NE. Fully healthy they could take this thing but I'm shocked they even got this far considering the amount of elite players they are missing...3-4 among the best at their position in the league (Mayo, Gronk, Wilfork, Kelly, Vollmer)

    However, I still think they can take Denver who has a pathetic defense and the Pats have a good secondary with a coach that knows Manning inside out. Broncos don't have the run game like Seattle/SF to exploit their run D. What are your thoughts on that one?

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    Having major second thoughts buddy. I think Seattle is the side.




    Damnit Mac! I've been riding this train with you...for what it's worth, whenever I over-think a game or switch sides, the initial lean is right 90% of the time. Seattle could be the side but only switch if you have a damn good reason for doing so. Sadly agree with your thoughts on NE. Fully healthy they could take this thing but I'm shocked they even got this far considering the amount of elite players they are missing...3-4 among the best at their position in the league (Mayo, Gronk, Wilfork, Kelly, Vollmer)

    However, I still think they can take Denver who has a pathetic defense and the Pats have a good secondary with a coach that knows Manning inside out. Broncos don't have the run game like Seattle/SF to exploit their run D. What are your thoughts on that one?

     
     
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    Sucks to see flip flop again. Good luck, hope you don't regret it like the GB/PITT SB.. The mental fortitude that this team has shown is nothing short of heroic. Road win Arizona, Road win GB, Road win Carolina.. Nextup Seattle.. 

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    Sucks to see flip flop again. Good luck, hope you don't regret it like the GB/PITT SB.. The mental fortitude that this team has shown is nothing short of heroic. Road win Arizona, Road win GB, Road win Carolina.. Nextup Seattle.. 

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    20 yard plays 37  1st
    Score percentage 48% 2nd  
    (% of drives ending in FG or TD)

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