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    Randy Moss isn't a huge loss for New England

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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 5:37 PM ET #101

    The Patriots are now back to what they were in 2003-2004 on the offensive side of the ball.  Tight ends and possession receivers.

    The problem is that the defense has quite a ways to go to be where the defense of the past was.
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    The Patriots are now back to what they were in 2003-2004 on the offensive side of the ball.  Tight ends and possession receivers.

    The problem is that the defense has quite a ways to go to be where the defense of the past was.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 7:07 PM ET #102

    damn fellas i'm pumped..  i know I'm a homer, but you have no idea how good this team is now..  It's scary how good they're gonna be when Rice comes back after week 8....  I know a lot of ya will think that I'm overreacting but there's some things to consider for sure..

    When the Vikes played the saints they were starting there #4 & #5 corners..  w/ a sh**y game plan in the second half they lose 14-9 & while they played terrible were still in the game..

    Against the Dolphins they lose on a 4th & goal play at the one, turnovers in key places killed the Vikes, but could have won that one.

    They didn't play a complete game against the Lions & still win by 14.

    Like some posters said earlier the Pack were supposed to be the Real deal coming in..  After their past 2 weeks I don't see that same team that everyone was talking about.  Chicago isn't for real, they can't stop the pass although their run D is very very good..  Lions have some studs but they're still a work in progress & won't make any noise in the division w/ their 0-4 start...  Vikes for sure are contenders in the division--

    It doesn't get any easier in their next 4 games, but man you got Brett running things, AP doing what he does, percy can go to the slot where he is comfortable, moss getting attention deep opening things up & you got a top 3 TE in the leauge..  ohh yea when Sydney gets back you got one of the best WR tandem's in the leauge... 

    Defensiviely you got one of the best front seven's in the game & you're whole secondary is healthy w/ Ced & Cook back from injuries--  Sorry for the long post, i know i'm a homer but anyone that seriously doesn't think they can make some noise in the weak NFC is crazy..  this team is gonna go far fellas & may this next week on Monday night football be a preview of the super bowl

    GL everyone


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    damn fellas i'm pumped..  i know I'm a homer, but you have no idea how good this team is now..  It's scary how good they're gonna be when Rice comes back after week 8....  I know a lot of ya will think that I'm overreacting but there's some things to consider for sure..

    When the Vikes played the saints they were starting there #4 & #5 corners..  w/ a sh**y game plan in the second half they lose 14-9 & while they played terrible were still in the game..

    Against the Dolphins they lose on a 4th & goal play at the one, turnovers in key places killed the Vikes, but could have won that one.

    They didn't play a complete game against the Lions & still win by 14.

    Like some posters said earlier the Pack were supposed to be the Real deal coming in..  After their past 2 weeks I don't see that same team that everyone was talking about.  Chicago isn't for real, they can't stop the pass although their run D is very very good..  Lions have some studs but they're still a work in progress & won't make any noise in the division w/ their 0-4 start...  Vikes for sure are contenders in the division--

    It doesn't get any easier in their next 4 games, but man you got Brett running things, AP doing what he does, percy can go to the slot where he is comfortable, moss getting attention deep opening things up & you got a top 3 TE in the leauge..  ohh yea when Sydney gets back you got one of the best WR tandem's in the leauge... 

    Defensiviely you got one of the best front seven's in the game & you're whole secondary is healthy w/ Ced & Cook back from injuries--  Sorry for the long post, i know i'm a homer but anyone that seriously doesn't think they can make some noise in the weak NFC is crazy..  this team is gonna go far fellas & may this next week on Monday night football be a preview of the super bowl

    GL everyone


     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 8:31 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

     

    Moss is the greatest athlete to ever play in the NFL. I would not want to get him pissed, and right now hes very angry. he is scoing 15 plus td with minny and farve is going to throw him the ball every chance he has. these two have been trying to team up since 98'. he will be an issue again next year but minny is all in right now for 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

     

    Moss is the greatest athlete to ever play in the NFL. I would not want to get him pissed, and right now hes very angry. he is scoing 15 plus td with minny and farve is going to throw him the ball every chance he has. these two have been trying to team up since 98'. he will be an issue again next year but minny is all in right now for 2010.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 8:48 PM ET #104

    Yup but this is not the game to be throwing the ball to MOSS every chance he gets this week unless he wants to turn it over 2-4 times.  If he forces it to MOSS it will be picked off a few times even if REVIS is out CROMARTIE shut him down in week 2 after REVIS left the game!  This is a bad bad bad matchup for those VIKINGS!
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    Yup but this is not the game to be throwing the ball to MOSS every chance he gets this week unless he wants to turn it over 2-4 times.  If he forces it to MOSS it will be picked off a few times even if REVIS is out CROMARTIE shut him down in week 2 after REVIS left the game!  This is a bad bad bad matchup for those VIKINGS!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:17 PM ET #105

    does it really matter if the jets lose this week. nobody in the afc east is touching them.
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    does it really matter if the jets lose this week. nobody in the afc east is touching them.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:27 PM ET #106

    home field will be important in JAN so it does matter
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:56 PM ET #107

    agreed I can see us meeting baltimore again deep in the playoffs. we will have santonio back for that game as well as pace and hopefully a healthy revis.
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    agreed I can see us meeting baltimore again deep in the playoffs. we will have santonio back for that game as well as pace and hopefully a healthy revis.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:29 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

     

    Moss is the greatest athlete to ever play in the NFL. I would not want to get him pissed, and right now hes very angry. he is scoing 15 plus td with minny and farve is going to throw him the ball every chance he has. these two have been trying to team up since 98'. he will be an issue again next year but minny is all in right now for 2010.

    Slow down there my friend.. Moss is great.. but best athlete ever to play in the NFL.. dont think so... Dont remember Moss playing in a MLB All Star game in the offsesson... ala Bo Jackson... Great but no Walter Peyton... He would be Jimmy Browns bitch...
    Be careful with the axe Eugene.
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    Moss is the greatest athlete to ever play in the NFL. I would not want to get him pissed, and right now hes very angry. he is scoing 15 plus td with minny and farve is going to throw him the ball every chance he has. these two have been trying to team up since 98'. he will be an issue again next year but minny is all in right now for 2010.

    Slow down there my friend.. Moss is great.. but best athlete ever to play in the NFL.. dont think so... Dont remember Moss playing in a MLB All Star game in the offsesson... ala Bo Jackson... Great but no Walter Peyton... He would be Jimmy Browns bitch...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 11:35 PM ET #109

    Julio Jones is going to look great in a Patriots uniform

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    First off saints fan the NFL gave you that super bowl last year.  You should thank the hurricane.  12 men out of the huddle on a time out? Farve pick he hasnt thrown all year?  Manning pick he hasnt thrown since 8th grade?  Saints bought that super bowl.  How are you gonna hate on the 2nd best WR of all time?  Best QB of all time?  Enough said just proves you are a clown!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    First off saints fan the NFL gave you that super bowl last year.  You should thank the hurricane.  12 men out of the huddle on a time out? Farve pick he hasnt thrown all year?  Manning pick he hasnt thrown since 8th grade?  Saints bought that super bowl.  How are you gonna hate on the 2nd best WR of all time?  Best QB of all time?  Enough said just proves you are a clown!

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by luxurytaxin]

    First off saints fan the NFL gave you that super bowl last year.  You should thank the hurricane.  12 men out of the huddle on a time out? Farve pick he hasnt thrown all year?  Manning pick he hasnt thrown since 8th grade?  Saints bought that super bowl.  How are you gonna hate on the 2nd best WR of all time?  Best QB of all time?  Enough said just proves you are a clown! 

    Dude that is such a lame and insensitive thing to say!  Ya im sure that winning a super bowl totally makes up for Katrina and the devistation and all the lives that were lost. YOU are the CLOWN!!

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by luxurytaxin]

    First off saints fan the NFL gave you that super bowl last year.  You should thank the hurricane.  12 men out of the huddle on a time out? Farve pick he hasnt thrown all year?  Manning pick he hasnt thrown since 8th grade?  Saints bought that super bowl.  How are you gonna hate on the 2nd best WR of all time?  Best QB of all time?  Enough said just proves you are a clown! 

    Dude that is such a lame and insensitive thing to say!  Ya im sure that winning a super bowl totally makes up for Katrina and the devistation and all the lives that were lost. YOU are the CLOWN!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Slow down there my friend.. Moss is great.. but best athlete ever to play in the NFL.. dont think so... Dont remember Moss playing in a MLB All Star game in the offsesson... ala Bo Jackson... Great but no Walter Peyton... He would be Jimmy Browns bitch...

    walter peyton????? haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Slow down there my friend.. Moss is great.. but best athlete ever to play in the NFL.. dont think so... Dont remember Moss playing in a MLB All Star game in the offsesson... ala Bo Jackson... Great but no Walter Peyton... He would be Jimmy Browns bitch...

    walter peyton????? haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

     
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    On the actual topic of the trade...

    I understand it from both sides and thinks it makes sense for what both organizations are trying to do at this point in time.  Obviously the Vikings are doing everything they can to win a title this year.  The addition of Moss should put them back in the conversation of favorites in the NFC as well as give Favre a spark personally.

    From the Patriots side they seem to be sacrificing this year, which didnt seem to be a super bowl contender anyway, to stockpile even more draft picks next year.  They now will have 6 picks in the top 90 or so and should be set up for getting much younger and deeper while they build for another run in the latter part of Bradys career.

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    On the actual topic of the trade...

    I understand it from both sides and thinks it makes sense for what both organizations are trying to do at this point in time.  Obviously the Vikings are doing everything they can to win a title this year.  The addition of Moss should put them back in the conversation of favorites in the NFC as well as give Favre a spark personally.

    From the Patriots side they seem to be sacrificing this year, which didnt seem to be a super bowl contender anyway, to stockpile even more draft picks next year.  They now will have 6 picks in the top 90 or so and should be set up for getting much younger and deeper while they build for another run in the latter part of Bradys career.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 12:56 AM ET #114

    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

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    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

    Really you are comparing touchdowns scored to Jim Brown's era? You really think Moss is 50 touchdowns better as an athlete? And why do you keep saying the Jets are going to roll through their division, wasn't this the same team that started 4-0 last year and limped into the playoffs. This year is far from over and the J-e-t-s have far from clinched a playoff spot. The trade was a good one for both sides and what they wanted to accomplish. And by the way, Moss will now have a guy who has thrown a whole lot of touchdowns and set a couple of passing records throwing to him.(since you are interested in stats)

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    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

    Really you are comparing touchdowns scored to Jim Brown's era? You really think Moss is 50 touchdowns better as an athlete? And why do you keep saying the Jets are going to roll through their division, wasn't this the same team that started 4-0 last year and limped into the playoffs. This year is far from over and the J-e-t-s have far from clinched a playoff spot. The trade was a good one for both sides and what they wanted to accomplish. And by the way, Moss will now have a guy who has thrown a whole lot of touchdowns and set a couple of passing records throwing to him.(since you are interested in stats)

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 1:13 PM ET #116

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    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

    You did not say most TD's ...You claimed the best "athlete ever" in the NFL.. Not even going back to Gayle Sayers who Randy Moss cannot even hold his jock... Bo Jackson was 2 times the athlete that Moss is our will be... ditto.. Herschel Walker.. The list goes on.. Sorry...
    Be careful with the axe Eugene.
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    check the stats and get back to me with moss. if he retired today he would have 40 more td's than peyton, 50 more than brown and 120 more then bo. he might track rice down if he stays healthy.

    You did not say most TD's ...You claimed the best "athlete ever" in the NFL.. Not even going back to Gayle Sayers who Randy Moss cannot even hold his jock... Bo Jackson was 2 times the athlete that Moss is our will be... ditto.. Herschel Walker.. The list goes on.. Sorry...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 1:26 PM ET #117

    I was just happy to get 35-1 on Minn winning the superbowl 2 weeks ago. Took a flyer for a hundred bucks. WTH
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 1:29 PM ET #118

    Kind of pissed at myself that I went cheap and only bet half that. Too many beers that day. Damn !

     

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    Kind of pissed at myself that I went cheap and only bet half that. Too many beers that day. Damn !

     

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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 2:09 PM ET #119

    Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:

    Pats are rushing 122.3 yards a game & they are 1 of only 2 AFC teams who have not fumbled this year

    Welcome to eight in the box....no more running.

    Meanwhile Peterson will go nuts as the 8 or 9 in the box will open up.  Look at backs that played with Moss...Rober Smith, LaMont Jordan, etc...all career years with Moss and little thereafter...also look at QBs like Culpepper and Brady that had career years with Moss.

    He wasn't trying in NE as he was pissed about the contract so they won't miss much catching balls but, there is always a safety over the top or else it's six points.

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    Pats are rushing 122.3 yards a game & they are 1 of only 2 AFC teams who have not fumbled this year

    Welcome to eight in the box....no more running.

    Meanwhile Peterson will go nuts as the 8 or 9 in the box will open up.  Look at backs that played with Moss...Rober Smith, LaMont Jordan, etc...all career years with Moss and little thereafter...also look at QBs like Culpepper and Brady that had career years with Moss.

    He wasn't trying in NE as he was pissed about the contract so they won't miss much catching balls but, there is always a safety over the top or else it's six points.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 2:44 PM ET #120

    Quote Originally Posted by PocketJacks:

    If you don't think that Randy Moss opens things up in the middle for those other guys, you are just as stupid as I remember you.

     



    if you think Randy Moss is still scaring any cornerback in this league as a deep threat, then... well, you know the rest...


    getting virtually anything for Moss was a great deal for the Pats... Brandon Tate right now is a better NFL WR than Randy Moss...

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    If you don't think that Randy Moss opens things up in the middle for those other guys, you are just as stupid as I remember you.

     



    if you think Randy Moss is still scaring any cornerback in this league as a deep threat, then... well, you know the rest...


    getting virtually anything for Moss was a great deal for the Pats... Brandon Tate right now is a better NFL WR than Randy Moss...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 2:59 PM ET #121

    your right, all you did by trading him  was guarantee your not going to the superbowl. They still might have a decent season but superbowl champs? not a chance without moss.
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    your right, all you did by trading him  was guarantee your not going to the superbowl. They still might have a decent season but superbowl champs? not a chance without moss.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 3:36 PM ET #122

    UNDER in New England's next game.
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2010 - 3:54 PM ET #123

    Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:

    I'm sure Belichick is getting a good deal in return, that's what Belichick does.  That's why the Patriots have two first round picks for 2011 right now.

    Last night Brandon Tate became a star on national television.  Ranyd Moss had 0 catches.  Brady & Belichick are very close and there's not a doubt in my mind that Brady was given a heads up and maybe even told to try and win the game without Moss.  No deep balls last night.  The outburst of special teams kind of made it hard to tell if they'd have won without him but with 2 weks to plan vs the Ravens, its the perfect time to pull this off.

    Never doubt Coach Belichick my fellow Patriots fans, he knows a lot more than we do.  Goodbye Randy, you've brought me countless moments of joy cheering you on.  You're the name on the back of my current Patriots jersey.  Guess I'll buy a Welker jersey tomm.

    yeah, Im tired of hearing people say the Patriots are idiots for that trade......I learned a long time ago not to doubt any decisions they make........Because they make it work 95% of the time, with a bunch of nobodys

    I think they traded him because he doesn't fit into the offense.  He is a great receiver and all but I think his routes suck.....He's long and lanky and can only run straight.......He just does not fit into the Pats offensive playbook.....His stock is high so get rid of his ass......Its a win win situation for both teams in the trade

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    I'm sure Belichick is getting a good deal in return, that's what Belichick does.  That's why the Patriots have two first round picks for 2011 right now.

    Last night Brandon Tate became a star on national television.  Ranyd Moss had 0 catches.  Brady & Belichick are very close and there's not a doubt in my mind that Brady was given a heads up and maybe even told to try and win the game without Moss.  No deep balls last night.  The outburst of special teams kind of made it hard to tell if they'd have won without him but with 2 weks to plan vs the Ravens, its the perfect time to pull this off.

    Never doubt Coach Belichick my fellow Patriots fans, he knows a lot more than we do.  Goodbye Randy, you've brought me countless moments of joy cheering you on.  You're the name on the back of my current Patriots jersey.  Guess I'll buy a Welker jersey tomm.

    yeah, Im tired of hearing people say the Patriots are idiots for that trade......I learned a long time ago not to doubt any decisions they make........Because they make it work 95% of the time, with a bunch of nobodys

    I think they traded him because he doesn't fit into the offense.  He is a great receiver and all but I think his routes suck.....He's long and lanky and can only run straight.......He just does not fit into the Pats offensive playbook.....His stock is high so get rid of his ass......Its a win win situation for both teams in the trade

     
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    If the Patriots did not trade Moss during the season, the best return they could get for him (assuming they did not sign him) is a 5th round draft pick.  The formula the NFL uses for Compensatory Draft picks indicates a 10 year veteran returns a 5th round pick.  At last year's draft the Pats got 4 picks between the 3rd and 7th rounds from Compensatory picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruuuuce78:

    .I learned a long time ago not to doubt any decisions they make........Because they make it work 95% of the time, with a bunch of nobodys

    I think they traded him because he doesn't fit into the offense.  He is a great receiver and all but I think his routes suck.....He's long and lanky and can only run straight.......He just does not fit into the Pats offensive playbook.....His stock is high so get rid of his ass......Its a win win situation for both teams in the trade

    you know that stuff worked fine the first fews years around when no one knew how ruthless he and the team were. No one ever gave any thought that they would be treated like meat. A player, a professional, and an NFL commodity "yes". But they have gone overboard and have proved that even if you win one with them from here out. It just a win for your resume, your mantle, and something you can take later with you in life. But winning it as a Patriot means NOTHING. There is not one drop of the word "TEAM" left in that place.

     

    I dont care for the team, dont follow them much, etc. but if I were a pro looking for a team, they would be my last choice. Brady has to lead that group too. They have put him in a spot, although he seems to fit the "ME" profile. Another 5 years and the two split with a handshake and a "take care", no feelings at all.

    What a shame they have thrown away the team concept for money and a possible trophy down the road.  And if they win one, two, or even three more with this bunch. It wont mean as much as one super bowl this year by a team that plays togehter.

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    .I learned a long time ago not to doubt any decisions they make........Because they make it work 95% of the time, with a bunch of nobodys

    I think they traded him because he doesn't fit into the offense.  He is a great receiver and all but I think his routes suck.....He's long and lanky and can only run straight.......He just does not fit into the Pats offensive playbook.....His stock is high so get rid of his ass......Its a win win situation for both teams in the trade

    you know that stuff worked fine the first fews years around when no one knew how ruthless he and the team were. No one ever gave any thought that they would be treated like meat. A player, a professional, and an NFL commodity "yes". But they have gone overboard and have proved that even if you win one with them from here out. It just a win for your resume, your mantle, and something you can take later with you in life. But winning it as a Patriot means NOTHING. There is not one drop of the word "TEAM" left in that place.

     

    I dont care for the team, dont follow them much, etc. but if I were a pro looking for a team, they would be my last choice. Brady has to lead that group too. They have put him in a spot, although he seems to fit the "ME" profile. Another 5 years and the two split with a handshake and a "take care", no feelings at all.

    What a shame they have thrown away the team concept for money and a possible trophy down the road.  And if they win one, two, or even three more with this bunch. It wont mean as much as one super bowl this year by a team that plays togehter.

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