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    Randy Moss isn't a huge loss for New England

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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:35 AM ET #76

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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:46 AM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:

    Pats are rushing 122.3 yards a game & they are 1 of only 2 AFC teams who have not fumbled this year

    and without a deep threat there will be an 8man box  which equals no more open slants and no more space to run. this is great, i hate the patriots anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:

    Pats are rushing 122.3 yards a game & they are 1 of only 2 AFC teams who have not fumbled this year

    and without a deep threat there will be an 8man box  which equals no more open slants and no more space to run. this is great, i hate the patriots anyway.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:46 AM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by buckubad:

    moss is a cancer that will only end up hurting MN when he starts pointing fingers when things stay the same there(7-9, 8-8 at best) and favre continues to play like the 50 yr old that he is, mn deserves moss

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckubad:

    moss is a cancer that will only end up hurting MN when he starts pointing fingers when things stay the same there(7-9, 8-8 at best) and favre continues to play like the 50 yr old that he is, mn deserves moss

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 9:54 AM ET #79

    This is a huge loss for the pats. What are you talking about?
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:14 AM ET #80

    Yeah, just like MN didn't miss Sidney Rice. 

    I'm not saying it's a terrible move if he was being a pain in the ass, but to say it's not that big of a loss is a bit of a joke. 

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    Yeah, just like MN didn't miss Sidney Rice. 

    I'm not saying it's a terrible move if he was being a pain in the ass, but to say it's not that big of a loss is a bit of a joke. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:16 AM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by buckubad:

    moss is a cancer that will only end up hurting MN when he starts pointing fingers when things stay the same there(7-9, 8-8 at best) and favre continues to play like the 50 yr old that he is, mn deserves moss

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckubad:

    moss is a cancer that will only end up hurting MN when he starts pointing fingers when things stay the same there(7-9, 8-8 at best) and favre continues to play like the 50 yr old that he is, mn deserves moss

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:22 AM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    You don't understand Moss, my friend.  He's a good teammate EARLY ON.  It's when he's been around a while that he can be a malcontent.  He did it with MN at the end....he did it with Oakland at the end.  He will be fine for this year....he'll feel wanted again. 

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:41 AM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get b ack into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get b ack into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:44 AM ET #84

     when I saw this at 2 AM last night

    For New England this deal ensures they miss the playoffs. Welker is minimized as teams roll coverage on his side. Pats are going to have to use a lot of 2 TE sets and run often now, but the effective run takes a hit without the big play threat. Tate isn't ready so I believe it's actually Aaron Hernandez who will take his place schematically.

    Next year the Pats will replace Randy Moss with A.J. Green using the pick they got in the Seymour deal.

    For the Vikings this is a spectacular catastrophe waiting to happen. Moss thrived on the structure and discipline instilled in the NE Belichick system. Now he goes to the team whose players have the least regard for their coach of any team in the league. 

    The inmates run the asylum in Minnesota. When Brett Favre's career ends (I believe Monday Night but it's coming soon) and Tarvaris is the one throwing prayers to Moss, he will mentally check out. 

    Neither team really wins as both miss the playoffs 
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    For New England this deal ensures they miss the playoffs. Welker is minimized as teams roll coverage on his side. Pats are going to have to use a lot of 2 TE sets and run often now, but the effective run takes a hit without the big play threat. Tate isn't ready so I believe it's actually Aaron Hernandez who will take his place schematically.

    Next year the Pats will replace Randy Moss with A.J. Green using the pick they got in the Seymour deal.

    For the Vikings this is a spectacular catastrophe waiting to happen. Moss thrived on the structure and discipline instilled in the NE Belichick system. Now he goes to the team whose players have the least regard for their coach of any team in the league. 

    The inmates run the asylum in Minnesota. When Brett Favre's career ends (I believe Monday Night but it's coming soon) and Tarvaris is the one throwing prayers to Moss, he will mentally check out. 

    Neither team really wins as both miss the playoffs 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:46 AM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    If you watched the games, you'd know who much S. Rice being out has affected the offense.  He has no one who can make a play on a jump ball.  No one.  It's a major problem.  We'll see how it plays out.  No guarantees, but how can you criticize a move like this? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    You still need a legitimate QB, Brett doesn't look the same since the Saints put him on his ass

    If you watched the games, you'd know who much S. Rice being out has affected the offense.  He has no one who can make a play on a jump ball.  No one.  It's a major problem.  We'll see how it plays out.  No guarantees, but how can you criticize a move like this? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 10:49 AM ET #86

     Moss thrived on the structure and discipline instilled in the NE Belichick system.

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    How is that structure doing this year? 

    Moss thrives when he feels wanted and appreciated.  He will get that at least for this year in MN.  And he plays best when he wants to show someone up (like the team that got rid of him....or didn't draft him). 

     

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     Moss thrived on the structure and discipline instilled in the NE Belichick system.

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    How is that structure doing this year? 

    Moss thrives when he feels wanted and appreciated.  He will get that at least for this year in MN.  And he plays best when he wants to show someone up (like the team that got rid of him....or didn't draft him). 

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 11:25 AM ET #87

    As I said, it's all about being wanted.  MN went out and traded for him...he is obviously wanted.  With a potential lockout coming and with all MN's FA's, he will not IMO bitch once about his contract.  He will say, "it's all about football now." 

    “When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted,” Moss said in September. “I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling—feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down.”

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    As I said, it's all about being wanted.  MN went out and traded for him...he is obviously wanted.  With a potential lockout coming and with all MN's FA's, he will not IMO bitch once about his contract.  He will say, "it's all about football now." 

    “When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted,” Moss said in September. “I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling—feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down.”

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 11:43 AM ET #88

    yes it sucks losing Moss...are the Patriots better today? No! Is Brady happy about this? No! (he and Moss have had a great relationship) Tom has a history of turning "nobodys" into solid recievers ie: Branch, Givens & Patten...I know the Pats are high on Tate, they drafted him (correct me if im wrong) in the 3rd round when he had a known knee injury....I think we are still confident here in NE that we will have a strong team going forward...NE completely controls the draft next year, they can do anything

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    yes it sucks losing Moss...are the Patriots better today? No! Is Brady happy about this? No! (he and Moss have had a great relationship) Tom has a history of turning "nobodys" into solid recievers ie: Branch, Givens & Patten...I know the Pats are high on Tate, they drafted him (correct me if im wrong) in the 3rd round when he had a known knee injury....I think we are still confident here in NE that we will have a strong team going forward...NE completely controls the draft next year, they can do anything

     
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    Are you kidding me?  He is still one of the best deep threats and route runners in the league...did you see what the Ravens D did to the Patriots in January WITH Randy Moss?

    The Ravens have the #1 ranked secondary thus far, teb Patriots sure won't be runnign the ball on the Ravens.  brandon tate is solid but no Moss.

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    Are you kidding me?  He is still one of the best deep threats and route runners in the league...did you see what the Ravens D did to the Patriots in January WITH Randy Moss?

    The Ravens have the #1 ranked secondary thus far, teb Patriots sure won't be runnign the ball on the Ravens.  brandon tate is solid but no Moss.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 12:00 PM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by fab14:

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get back into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.


    I like Brett and I hope he will do well

    How many bye weeks should the Vikes get this season to compensate for having a grandpa QB. The justification would be Brett needed more time 2 get b ck into game shape. Sounds like the only time you could back the Vikes is right at the start of the season and after every bye week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fab14:

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get back into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.


    I like Brett and I hope he will do well

    How many bye weeks should the Vikes get this season to compensate for having a grandpa QB. The justification would be Brett needed more time 2 get b ck into game shape. Sounds like the only time you could back the Vikes is right at the start of the season and after every bye week.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:

    Wouldn't like this move for the season. However, I love this move for the future.

    Agreed.  This makes Pats chances this year significantly lower... but if they do make it to the Super Bowl, they will look like a genius.  But if the Vikes are there to greet them, well maybe not so much lol

    Definitely a smooth move for the offseason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:

    Wouldn't like this move for the season. However, I love this move for the future.

    Agreed.  This makes Pats chances this year significantly lower... but if they do make it to the Super Bowl, they will look like a genius.  But if the Vikes are there to greet them, well maybe not so much lol

    Definitely a smooth move for the offseason

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2010 - 12:14 PM ET #92

    The guy that started this thread feels panicked lol... you can see it in his posts.

    He's pissed and trying to find the silver lining

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    The guy that started this thread feels panicked lol... you can see it in his posts.

    He's pissed and trying to find the silver lining

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fab14:

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get b ack into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.

    So i guess a week worth of rest will do him wonders, and the whole entire off season did nothing for him?

     

    His age is showing guys, look for a lot of interceptions this season, Brett will throw the ball up for grabs a heck of lot more now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fab14:

    Hey kiddo Brett will be fineThe best thing for the vikes was having the bye week...brett needed more time 2 get b ack into game shape.This vikes team is going to be fun to watch.

    So i guess a week worth of rest will do him wonders, and the whole entire off season did nothing for him?

     

    His age is showing guys, look for a lot of interceptions this season, Brett will throw the ball up for grabs a heck of lot more now.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    As I said, it's all about being wanted.  MN went out and traded for him...he is obviously wanted.  With a potential lockout coming and with all MN's FA's, he will not IMO bitch once about his contract.  He will say, "it's all about football now." 

    “When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted,” Moss said in September. “I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling—feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down.”

    Minnesota ans getting there hopes up, once again.

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    As I said, it's all about being wanted.  MN went out and traded for him...he is obviously wanted.  With a potential lockout coming and with all MN's FA's, he will not IMO bitch once about his contract.  He will say, "it's all about football now." 

    “When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted,” Moss said in September. “I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling—feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down.”

    Minnesota ans getting there hopes up, once again.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonStrangler:

    yes it sucks losing Moss...are the Patriots better today? No! Is Brady happy about this? No! (he and Moss have had a great relationship) Tom has a history of turning "nobodys" into solid recievers ie: Branch, Givens & Patten...I know the Pats are high on Tate, they drafted him (correct me if im wrong) in the 3rd round when he had a known knee injury....I think we are still confident here in NE that we will have a strong team going forward...NE completely controls the draft next year, they can do anything

    Yep 3rd round... 19th overall in the round.  What scares me though is that NE has an uncanny ability to get rid of players before the bottom drops out.  Hell I don't care as long as Moss finishs his career as a Viking and goes into the HOF as a Viking I will be content with the trade.  Something did not sit right with seeing Randy in any other color than purple and gold.

    One thing I cannot get though and perhaps some Pats fans can shine a light on this... how can NE make this trade now?  I know they are screwd and continue to build for their future but when do you play for the present?  Something about that doesn't make sense.  Either way BOL to both teams.  Vikes needed this deep threat so hopefully it will work out.

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    yes it sucks losing Moss...are the Patriots better today? No! Is Brady happy about this? No! (he and Moss have had a great relationship) Tom has a history of turning "nobodys" into solid recievers ie: Branch, Givens & Patten...I know the Pats are high on Tate, they drafted him (correct me if im wrong) in the 3rd round when he had a known knee injury....I think we are still confident here in NE that we will have a strong team going forward...NE completely controls the draft next year, they can do anything

    Yep 3rd round... 19th overall in the round.  What scares me though is that NE has an uncanny ability to get rid of players before the bottom drops out.  Hell I don't care as long as Moss finishs his career as a Viking and goes into the HOF as a Viking I will be content with the trade.  Something did not sit right with seeing Randy in any other color than purple and gold.

    One thing I cannot get though and perhaps some Pats fans can shine a light on this... how can NE make this trade now?  I know they are screwd and continue to build for their future but when do you play for the present?  Something about that doesn't make sense.  Either way BOL to both teams.  Vikes needed this deep threat so hopefully it will work out.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan504:

    Minnesota ans getting there hopes up, once again.

    saintsfan being a jackass again.  And his usual selective reading.

     

    I said this thing could go both ways, but you're an idiot if you think it was a bad move.  Earlier you were talking about how MN was done because they had no S. Rice.  Now you're making fun of a move to address that.  Simpleton.

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    Minnesota ans getting there hopes up, once again.

    saintsfan being a jackass again.  And his usual selective reading.

     

    I said this thing could go both ways, but you're an idiot if you think it was a bad move.  Earlier you were talking about how MN was done because they had no S. Rice.  Now you're making fun of a move to address that.  Simpleton.

     
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    This is the best move for the Vikes and Moss. Moss need a new scenery and the Vikes desperately needs help at the WR position.

    Patriots does not want to let him loose but they know Moss will be playing unmotivated without a new contract and NE is famous for not giving new contract to potentially old, decline, over the hill players ... I hate the Patriots, and Belicheat, including the his video production crews.

    Go Vikes and I am Saints's fan


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    This is the best move for the Vikes and Moss. Moss need a new scenery and the Vikes desperately needs help at the WR position.

    Patriots does not want to let him loose but they know Moss will be playing unmotivated without a new contract and NE is famous for not giving new contract to potentially old, decline, over the hill players ... I hate the Patriots, and Belicheat, including the his video production crews.

    Go Vikes and I am Saints's fan


     
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    Randy clearly wanted out...he had made up his mind already that NE wasn't going to give him a contract, so he decided to dick around, we dont know what was going on behind the scenes...but to give up Randy Moss and a 7th round pick for a 3rd round pick, something was not right
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    Randy clearly wanted out...he had made up his mind already that NE wasn't going to give him a contract, so he decided to dick around, we dont know what was going on behind the scenes...but to give up Randy Moss and a 7th round pick for a 3rd round pick, something was not right
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonStrangler:

    Randy clearly wanted out...he had made up his mind already that NE wasn't going to give him a contract, so he decided to dick around, we dont know what was going on behind the scenes...but to give up Randy Moss and a 7th round pick for a 3rd round pick, something was not right

    My thoughts exactly!

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    Randy clearly wanted out...he had made up his mind already that NE wasn't going to give him a contract, so he decided to dick around, we dont know what was going on behind the scenes...but to give up Randy Moss and a 7th round pick for a 3rd round pick, something was not right

    My thoughts exactly!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati:

    You Jets fans are laughing? I would laugh if the Vikes beat your ass on MNF because of Moss.

    and yes BB is that smart!

    I think they will be alright in the long run...they've changed their identity, no more bombs. back to dinks n dunks.

    Yeah we are laughing cause I'm pretty sure you just signed yourself up for 3 more losses this year against the JETS RAVENS AND STEELERS possibly the the COLTS.  This move will not matter for this week it is WED already he will practice TOM FRI AND SAT he will make some progress but will NOT be on the same PAGE until at least another week.  SEE ANY WR that is traded MIDSEASON takes a while to adjust but he good luck with your justification!
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    You Jets fans are laughing? I would laugh if the Vikes beat your ass on MNF because of Moss.

    and yes BB is that smart!

    I think they will be alright in the long run...they've changed their identity, no more bombs. back to dinks n dunks.

    Yeah we are laughing cause I'm pretty sure you just signed yourself up for 3 more losses this year against the JETS RAVENS AND STEELERS possibly the the COLTS.  This move will not matter for this week it is WED already he will practice TOM FRI AND SAT he will make some progress but will NOT be on the same PAGE until at least another week.  SEE ANY WR that is traded MIDSEASON takes a while to adjust but he good luck with your justification!
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