Question: honestly do you think Mahomes and the Chiefs Get Favored Treatment by the Refs

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@Digitalkarma

How quantifiable is it? Easy. When millions of viewers, talk show/radio hosts, opposing players, former players are seeing and saying the same thing.. lack of consistency, preferential treatment etc. Should this be treated as some sort of strange "phenomena" like a UFO sighting ? Shit is all on tape on the all-22 Lol

Then why do the ref reports not reflect it?

If it is on tape, then isn't it quantifiable?

I am simply asking.  

I will check somewhere.  Maybe that many have complained about it.  But it always seems like disgruntled opposing teams/fans/bettors.

People do that with stars in NBA, NFL, etc.  Is it really more than just that?

Maybe so...

See this guy looked into it a bit:

Do Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs really get all the calls? That’s been a perception for some time, aided by the fact that the Chiefs always win and that they’ve got the media favorites at quarterback, tight end, and fan girl. Individual examples of favorable calls abound.

But do the Chiefs really get more calls for things like roughing the passer and pass interference than other teams do? Let’s look at the numbers.

It might be surprising to some, but Sir Patrick Mahomes II does not in fact get more roughing the passer calls going against the defense in the regular season. According to NFLPenalties.com, referees have called roughing on defensive players tackling Mahomes 23 times in his career, which works out to 0.205 roughing calls per game. That ranks No. 18 among all active quarterbacks.

The active QB’s list includes over 40 quarterbacks, and some who are ahead of Mahomes are no longer starters—including Trevor Siemian (No. 3) and Carson Wentz (No. 2). Mahomes gets fewer roughing calls in the regular season than Josh Allen (No. 1), Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, and Russell Wilson, among other QBs. He gets the call more often than Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Justin Fields.

Nor did Mahomes benefit excessively from roughing calls in the 2023 season. Josh Allen led with seven roughing calls, while Mahomes and ten other quarterbacks, including Burrow and Geno Smith, were all tied at No. 6 with three roughing calls each.

But the Chiefs have good offensive line play, so does Mahomes get more calls relative to how often he is hit? Kind of, but not in the extreme. Mahomes has been rewarded 0.129 roughing calls per sack in his career, the sixth-highest rate. Josh Allen, again, leads all QBs with 0.167 roughing calls per sack.

But when we look at the playoffs,

Mahomes does get more roughing calls. Mahomes has already drawn two roughing calls this post-season, and they have been highly questionable.

Christian Wilkins was called for roughing the passer when he was running towards Mahomes and pushed into him after the threw the ball. He didn’t grab him or wrap him. He just continued his momentum. Mahomes, who was already running backwards and to the side, fell dramatically. The refs also missed a holding penalty the Chiefs committed against Justin Houston on the play.

Mahomes looked to the ref, as he often does.

It happened on 3rd down and 20. It is a frequent occurrence that the Chiefs get bailed out on third downs. According to NFLPenalties.com, two of Mahomes’ five post-season roughing calls occurred on third downs.

The sample size may be small for post-season penalties. Mahomes has drawn a total of five roughing calls in his 16 playoff games. Two came this season. He got no roughing calls last season. But, even if you eliminate 2023, he was still the active leader heading into this post-season; Cousins, Allen, Rodgers, and Wilson are all tied with two each.

Roughing isn’t the only call that Mahomes has benefited from. There are also a couple of oft-cited instances of Mahomes getting hit near the sidelines—even right on the field of play against the Packers this season—and drawing late hit/unnecessary roughness calls.

Unfortunately for those of you annoyed by Mahomes/Baby Mahomes/Kelce/Taylor/the Chiefs in general who (like me) were hoping to find evidence to discount the Chiefs’ success, the numbers don’t seem to support the theory that the refs are in on the fix.

In the 2023 season, the Chiefs were only slightly above average in terms of penalty advantage. Chiefs’ opponents had 40 defensive penalties called on them, which is only the 12th-most. They moved up 367 yards, the 11th-highest total. The Cowboys were No. 1 by a large margin in terms of both total penalties assessed on opponents and penalty yards gained.

Let’s compare the Chiefs to the other playoff teams:

Team - Total Def. Penalties on Opponents - Yards Gained

Chiefs - 40 penalties - 367 yards

Ravens - 40 - 362

49ers - 36 - 285

Lions - 32 - 340

Even if we look at specific penalties that are subjective like unnecessary roughness and pass interference, there has been no discernible pro-Chiefs bias this season. The Chiefs have only been the beneficiary of three unnecessary roughness penalties this season—the third-fewest—while the Giants, Cowboys, 49ers, and Bills (the top four) were all got eight or more calls.

The Chiefs got seven defensive pass interference calls going their way, which was also below the league average.

I’m as surprised as anyone, but I guess we should be relieved. We can let enjoy the games and stop worrying about referee bias. Yeah, sure. I know I didn’t change anyone’s minds. And maybe this methodology is inconclusive. Still, even if it’s not dispositive, it does at least show that there’s no evidence supporting our suspicions.

So, this fellow seemed to think the same thing before he looked into it.

Now, he does not think the evidence says that Mahomes is getting preferential treatment.

Of course, this was last year.

But I also saw where a former Ref explained the calls from this weekend.

So, I think we just feel this way when we see Elite QBs getting calls.  Because we see them so often and, therefore, see them get more questionable calls than an average QB we do not see as often. 

Plus, we are often rooting against them for some reason -- rooting for other team, the underdog, against this QB, or betting on the other team.

@Raiders22

 You are correct about elite QBs drawing penalties. First of all, part of what makes them great is their intelligence level. Intelligent people naturally find a way to take advantage of a favorable situation (kind of like successful gamblers!). So when Mahomes stops dead in his tracks right next to the boundary hoping to get thrown out of bounds, and gets the call, it’s not always a bad call. It’s more elite level qb play. 

You refer to Tom Brady. Him and many other greats always tried to throw the ball at the penalty. If a guy is being held, throw the ball to him. What better way to get the ref to see it? While most average QBs look for another target, maybe take a sack and then throw their hands in the air and point to the receiver being held. The great ones get the call because they are smart enough to force the referees eyes to it.

It’s just kind of the way the world works. I don’t know if you play any golf, but you’ll notice that the best golfers are always the luckiest ones. 

Regardless of all of this, there is a simple solution to the poorly called penalties. Replay review, overturn the call, and all is forgiven and forgotten. For some reason the NFL continues to punish its fans.

Jordan, Kobe.

Brady.

Tiger Woods.

Protected by the league? IDK....

but superstars get superstar treatments. For those that DO NOT like that, become a SUPERSTAR!

A poor mans kid will go to jail, or kick out of school doing the same thing an average family's kid will get suspended for and put on probation while WE ALL KNOW the RICH man's kid is going to a consoler or fuck around from the accused to the victim! 

Thats LIFE! and the REAL WORLD! 

@GMoneyGTown

 NO DOUBT --  Just like Tom Brady,  the NFL protects their stars

@brn2loslive2win

 I think you are right.  The smart ones know how to draw the penalties, then how to take advantage of them.

You are right about elite athletes creating their own 'luck'.

Yes, Federer, Woods, Djokovic are other examples of it. 

But I know a lot of folks that do not like those guys either, etc.  But in their case, it is more about taking advantage of their opponents mistakes and cracks under pressure and not ref's calls.  But the point is valid, they make their opponents pay and take advantage of it.

@SexyChoc

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No opinion on refs

But mahomes going out-of-bounds and then tip-toeing up sideline is horrible

Should be panalized just like hitting a QB improperly..or at least, give up yards

@Raiders22

 I dont with your premise

Shouldn't consistent "star calls" in the NBA be picked up too

No reason to think NFL reports are done objectively.. And it be sub-consciousvto some degree

I think they fix that and the faking going down in the off season.  At least I hope so!

@jimrockford22

I think they are.  Because they are evaluated by multiple folks, and independent sources.

Plus, anyone -- you or I -- can look at them.

There would be tremendous pushback from the fans if it were truly evident.  You see this in MLB and it is obvious.

But for sure, a lot of it may be subconsciously done, if it is.

But, many times I have rooted for an elite to get a call and they did not.  I know I was biased for the elite at that time and it did not work out.

That is why I think it is more perspective and perception.  

And I think that guy's research above supports it pretty decently.

@GMoneyGTown

When you start off the title with the word 'honestly' I am of the belief that YOU don't have clue about interpreting reality. Nice framing there...

Leaves me speechless in fact, a rarity and congrats. My God, try to be objective, easy for me as I am a Libran. 

@GMoneyGTown

 I love it ??

@GMoneyGTown

 I love it ??

@GMoneyGTown

 Absolutely… just look back at the Chiefs last 8 playoff games including Super Bowls. They are penalized less than opponents in each and every game. That’s fact! But hey just penalties not like they alter game or anything…

@Joker25

 I had no $ on the game and not a fan of either team. It was disgusting

Nice work there Raiders, you saved me some time lol 

Here are some more Josh Allen acting like Lebron highlights for the haters..... https://x.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1881422562774700437

Roughing the passer calls per 100 pass Attempts:

Patrick Mahomes .636%

Russel Wilson .710%

Baker Mayfield .730%

Kirk Cousins .743%

Desean Watson .781%

Jared Goff .781%

Josh Allen .936

@kcblitzkrieg

I also wonder how much it plays into the refs NOT making a call because they know it might be perceived as favoritism.

I still think it is very small, but amplified by one's perspective.  

I ALWAYS think my QB does NOT get the calls, but YOURS always DOES.  I dunno...

Oh yea I kinda forgot about that lol. He hasn't done it against our team yet, I think. I do remember seeing a few of those games where Allen did the flop but got no call and did the whiny wtf gesture. He did benefit from a few of those flops tho. Imagine if Bills win the SB then Allen gets more star treatment. Then we gotta deal with two primadonna in the AFC now wonderful 

If defender knows they touch Mahomes it's a near auto flag so maybe the reluctance to avoid hitting him? Josh Allen has played through some shitty O-lines so I'm not surprised it's a bit higher so the more chance of roughing the passer?

I don't really think about the quantity of how many flags are being thrown it's more about the when and where it's being thrown