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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 4:51 PM ET #51

Defense wins championship....remember 2010 SF Giants? Who the hell will pick him to win the World Series? This another SF team will follow the same path to win it all....
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Defense wins championship....remember 2010 SF Giants? Who the hell will pick him to win the World Series? This another SF team will follow the same path to win it all....
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:12 PM ET #52

Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+3 
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Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+3 
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:12 PM ET #53

Quote Originally Posted by jacobbobby:

Defense wins championship....remember 2010 SF Giants? Who the hell will pick him to win the World Series? This another SF team will follow the same path to win it all....
The 2010 Baseball Giants took advantage of their great, GREAT Pitching staff and they have an awful manager in BOTCHEDUPBALL BOCHY. The Giants D has given up in the last 4 games a total of 50 points..the Niners...79 points...Tell me about that defense of the Niners against a good offense as the Giants....This SF goes home after Sunday unlike that pitching rich 2010 Giants team....
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Defense wins championship....remember 2010 SF Giants? Who the hell will pick him to win the World Series? This another SF team will follow the same path to win it all....
The 2010 Baseball Giants took advantage of their great, GREAT Pitching staff and they have an awful manager in BOTCHEDUPBALL BOCHY. The Giants D has given up in the last 4 games a total of 50 points..the Niners...79 points...Tell me about that defense of the Niners against a good offense as the Giants....This SF goes home after Sunday unlike that pitching rich 2010 Giants team....
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:13 PM ET #54

Giants defense is not no that good especially against the pass. They are ranked at the bottom of the league: 29th overall and 27th against the pass.

They have actually won their games mainly through the arm of eli and their passing attack.

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Total Yards 376.4         27
Passing Yards 255.1    29
Rushing Yards 121.2   19
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Giants defense is not no that good especially against the pass. They are ranked at the bottom of the league: 29th overall and 27th against the pass.

They have actually won their games mainly through the arm of eli and their passing attack.

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Total Yards 376.4         27
Passing Yards 255.1    29
Rushing Yards 121.2   19
Points Allowed 25        25
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:15 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by El_Guapo:

Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+3 


except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
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Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+3 


except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:18 PM ET #56

Giants had to fight for their lives of to get into the playoff for the last 4 games. Niners was already relaxed which they were in already. Will they lose to Cardinals and played a tight game with Rams if situation was different? The numbers are not superficial as they showed

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Giants had to fight for their lives of to get into the playoff for the last 4 games. Niners was already relaxed which they were in already. Will they lose to Cardinals and played a tight game with Rams if situation was different? The numbers are not superficial as they showed

 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 5:34 PM ET #57

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except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
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i live 2 miles from where that game will be played, when it rains here its somehow warmer. 
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except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
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i live 2 miles from where that game will be played, when it rains here its somehow warmer. 
 
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except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
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i live 2 miles from where that game will be played, when it rains here its somehow warmer. 


the point is not the temperature but rather how the wetness and rain will affect the gameplay. Wet field, slick ball, etc
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except it wont be sunny in california it ill be raining cats and dogs
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i live 2 miles from where that game will be played, when it rains here its somehow warmer. 


the point is not the temperature but rather how the wetness and rain will affect the gameplay. Wet field, slick ball, etc
 
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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 8:12 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by billsneedhelp:



the point is not the temperature but rather how the wetness and rain will affect the gameplay. Wet field, slick ball, etc

you can plan a pretty picnic, but you cant predict the weather. we have "expected" rain here in the bay area for over 5 weeks, not a single drop. but we will see.
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the point is not the temperature but rather how the wetness and rain will affect the gameplay. Wet field, slick ball, etc

you can plan a pretty picnic, but you cant predict the weather. we have "expected" rain here in the bay area for over 5 weeks, not a single drop. but we will see.
 
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Posted: Jan. 17, 2012 - 2:05 AM ET #60

Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+

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No brainer that Vegas is in money making business.  Thus, the lines are set accordingly.  If you were in such business (or in any business) who would you cater to; a population of 8+ million or a population of under 1 million?  Of course, you will cater to the larger population.  That is what is going on here IMO. 

NO was HOT coming in to SF.  Now, Ny is  HOT as the beat GB.  The money is pouring in on NYG and this could become a pick'em game come game time.  

Vegas is serving you another platter hype (NY convinceingly beat WORLD CHAMPION at their house by 17) by luring 8+ million people to take the NYG as underdog.

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Lets be honest, las vegas served up a platter hype on sunday, giving the niners points at home, they wanted action and america ate it up buffet style. I mean lets take a look, the saints beat the falcons, panthers and lions AT HOME in their previous three match ups. the niners plus rest & points was a no brainer. manning is on fire, in his last three games hes completing 70%, averaging 315+yards and is 9-1 TD-INT with a passer rating of 126.8. Eli picked apart green bay in the most hostile environment in the NFC in below zero weather. When you knock off the defending champs in their own damn house, then travel to sunny california with 3 points and a superbowl on their resume. its a no brainer. NY+

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No brainer that Vegas is in money making business.  Thus, the lines are set accordingly.  If you were in such business (or in any business) who would you cater to; a population of 8+ million or a population of under 1 million?  Of course, you will cater to the larger population.  That is what is going on here IMO. 

NO was HOT coming in to SF.  Now, Ny is  HOT as the beat GB.  The money is pouring in on NYG and this could become a pick'em game come game time.  

Vegas is serving you another platter hype (NY convinceingly beat WORLD CHAMPION at their house by 17) by luring 8+ million people to take the NYG as underdog.

 
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Both teams have a GREAT pass rush.. I'll take big blue's though.. Giants with a way better QB. Giants with a way better passing attack *Knicks/Cruz/Ballard/Manningham* are all unstoppable. RUN defense goes to niners. Giants WON'T be rattled on the road. Comes down to the 4th quarter.. I said a few weeks ago there is NO ONE better than ELI. Giants ML big for me 
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Both teams have a GREAT pass rush.. I'll take big blue's though.. Giants with a way better QB. Giants with a way better passing attack *Knicks/Cruz/Ballard/Manningham* are all unstoppable. RUN defense goes to niners. Giants WON'T be rattled on the road. Comes down to the 4th quarter.. I said a few weeks ago there is NO ONE better than ELI. Giants ML big for me 
 
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Both teams have a GREAT pass rush.. I'll take big blue's though.. Giants with a way better QB. Giants with a way better passing attack *Knicks/Cruz/Ballard/Manningham* are all unstoppable. RUN defense goes to niners. Giants WON'T be rattled on the road. Comes down to the 4th quarter.. I said a few weeks ago there is NO ONE better than ELI. Giants ML big for me 

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Some good points but Eli being better than Aaron Rodgers sound more like a homer comment as majority would disagree with you.  A few weeks ago I saw Eli play a pretty horrible game, at home vs Washington. 

While no one is unstoppable, as Niners did stop the Knicks/Curz/Ballard/andeveryoneelseonthegiants in their regular season game, your permise appears to be "the team with better QB" always win.  Which is not correct as NYG with a lesser QB beat the team with a better QB.   

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Both teams have a GREAT pass rush.. I'll take big blue's though.. Giants with a way better QB. Giants with a way better passing attack *Knicks/Cruz/Ballard/Manningham* are all unstoppable. RUN defense goes to niners. Giants WON'T be rattled on the road. Comes down to the 4th quarter.. I said a few weeks ago there is NO ONE better than ELI. Giants ML big for me 

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Some good points but Eli being better than Aaron Rodgers sound more like a homer comment as majority would disagree with you.  A few weeks ago I saw Eli play a pretty horrible game, at home vs Washington. 

While no one is unstoppable, as Niners did stop the Knicks/Curz/Ballard/andeveryoneelseonthegiants in their regular season game, your permise appears to be "the team with better QB" always win.  Which is not correct as NYG with a lesser QB beat the team with a better QB.   

 
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Some good points but Eli being better than Aaron Rodgers sound more like a homer comment as majority would disagree with you.  A few weeks ago I saw Eli play a pretty horrible game, at home vs Washington. 

While no one is unstoppable, as Niners did stop the Knicks/Curz/Ballard/andeveryoneelseonthegiants in their regular season game, your permise appears to be "the team with better QB" always win.  Which is not correct as NYG with a lesser QB beat the team with a better QB.   

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So are you taking the Ravens? FYI Brady is 6-1 against them ravens. I'll be taking the better Qb there too. Eli is the best 4th quarter QB in the league, no questions. I like the this Giants team but Im definitely not a homer. 
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Some good points but Eli being better than Aaron Rodgers sound more like a homer comment as majority would disagree with you.  A few weeks ago I saw Eli play a pretty horrible game, at home vs Washington. 

While no one is unstoppable, as Niners did stop the Knicks/Curz/Ballard/andeveryoneelseonthegiants in their regular season game, your permise appears to be "the team with better QB" always win.  Which is not correct as NYG with a lesser QB beat the team with a better QB.   

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So are you taking the Ravens? FYI Brady is 6-1 against them ravens. I'll be taking the better Qb there too. Eli is the best 4th quarter QB in the league, no questions. I like the this Giants team but Im definitely not a homer. 
 
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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY. 

But he just kept waiting, as if everyone was blanketed.  Happened several times.  Watching TV where they focus on the pocket until the pass is thrown, it's impossible to know what's going on w/ the coverage.  But it did seem like SF was covering well. Did anyone else notice this?

 

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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY. 

But he just kept waiting, as if everyone was blanketed.  Happened several times.  Watching TV where they focus on the pocket until the pass is thrown, it's impossible to know what's going on w/ the coverage.  But it did seem like SF was covering well. Did anyone else notice this?

 

 
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So are you taking the Ravens? FYI Brady is 6-1 against them ravens. I'll be taking the better Qb there too. Eli is the best 4th quarter QB in the league, no questions. I like the this Giants team but Im definitely not a homer. 
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Have not thought much about that game yet but my early lean is on NE.   How the Ravens played against Texans has more to do with it, along with, NE having better QB than Ravens.  I also want to get updates on Ed Reed before making a decision as NE has two beast of TE's. 
Okay you're not a homer.  I was simply pointing out that saying that NO ONE is better than Eli sounds like a homer.  I need to look this up but Alex Smith may have more fourth QB comebacks in 2011 and better red zone efficiency than Eli in 2011. 
 
Albeit not by much, Alex did have better QB rating than Eli in their regular season game in November.
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So are you taking the Ravens? FYI Brady is 6-1 against them ravens. I'll be taking the better Qb there too. Eli is the best 4th quarter QB in the league, no questions. I like the this Giants team but Im definitely not a homer. 
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Have not thought much about that game yet but my early lean is on NE.   How the Ravens played against Texans has more to do with it, along with, NE having better QB than Ravens.  I also want to get updates on Ed Reed before making a decision as NE has two beast of TE's. 
Okay you're not a homer.  I was simply pointing out that saying that NO ONE is better than Eli sounds like a homer.  I need to look this up but Alex Smith may have more fourth QB comebacks in 2011 and better red zone efficiency than Eli in 2011. 
 
Albeit not by much, Alex did have better QB rating than Eli in their regular season game in November.
 
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Posted: Jan. 17, 2012 - 2:57 AM ET #67

Giant's Wr's will get open.. they are WAY more talented OVERALL than the saints Wr's... Graham being the only exception and he's a tight end that smoked them. Also, the first game these teams play Bradshaw wasn't healthy.
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Giant's Wr's will get open.. they are WAY more talented OVERALL than the saints Wr's... Graham being the only exception and he's a tight end that smoked them. Also, the first game these teams play Bradshaw wasn't healthy.
 
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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY.


Eli is making the best decisions of his career.  If Eli has all day it's over for the 9ers.  Remember they got Cruz out there to catch the bombs.  They're great at stopping the run but they're not nearly as good agains the pass.
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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY.


Eli is making the best decisions of his career.  If Eli has all day it's over for the 9ers.  Remember they got Cruz out there to catch the bombs.  They're great at stopping the run but they're not nearly as good agains the pass.
 
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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY. 

But he just kept waiting, as if everyone was blanketed.  Happened several times.  Watching TV where they focus on the pocket until the pass is thrown, it's impossible to know what's going on w/ the coverage.  But it did seem like SF was covering well. Did anyone else notice this?

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Good observation.  They essentially gave Brees a new defensive look at every snap.  At times Brees had 6+ seconds but could not find anyone open and dumped the ball to Sproles (15 catches) or threw it out-of-bounds.  I doubt that Eli will see a same defensive look during this game.

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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY. 

But he just kept waiting, as if everyone was blanketed.  Happened several times.  Watching TV where they focus on the pocket until the pass is thrown, it's impossible to know what's going on w/ the coverage.  But it did seem like SF was covering well. Did anyone else notice this?

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Good observation.  They essentially gave Brees a new defensive look at every snap.  At times Brees had 6+ seconds but could not find anyone open and dumped the ball to Sproles (15 catches) or threw it out-of-bounds.  I doubt that Eli will see a same defensive look during this game.

 
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Also, Eli is better on the Road (arguably) taking only 12 total sacks on the road. If the O-line can contain Matthews I don't see why they can't contain Smith... although Willis is a damn monster. I'm a bills fan and knowing that WHITNER will be shadowing Knicks and Cruz makes me VERY happy. He is a straight bum lol 
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Also, Eli is better on the Road (arguably) taking only 12 total sacks on the road. If the O-line can contain Matthews I don't see why they can't contain Smith... although Willis is a damn monster. I'm a bills fan and knowing that WHITNER will be shadowing Knicks and Cruz makes me VERY happy. He is a straight bum lol 
 
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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY.



Eli is making the best decisions of his career.  If Eli has all day it's over for the 9ers.  Remember they got Cruz out there to catch the bombs.  They're great at stopping the run but they're not nearly as good agains the pass.
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Making best decsions of his career; he threw 16 int's in regular season; most among the top ten rated QB's in the league.  Only River and Newton threw more int's.  Here is the link.

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One thing about the 49ers that impressed me last week that worries me as a Giants bettor - there were numerous times when SF rushed 3 and it looked like Brees had ALL DAY.



Eli is making the best decisions of his career.  If Eli has all day it's over for the 9ers.  Remember they got Cruz out there to catch the bombs.  They're great at stopping the run but they're not nearly as good agains the pass.
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Making best decsions of his career; he threw 16 int's in regular season; most among the top ten rated QB's in the league.  Only River and Newton threw more int's.  Here is the link.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/seasontype/2

 
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10 Tds and 2 int's in the last 4 games. 1200 yards as well! he had 2 games with 3 picks and 1 game with 2 picks. 
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10 Tds and 2 int's in the last 4 games. 1200 yards as well! he had 2 games with 3 picks and 1 game with 2 picks. 
 
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Also, Eli is better on the Road (arguably) taking only 12 total sacks on the road. If the O-line can contain Matthews I don't see why they can't contain Smith... although Willis is a damn monster. I'm a bills fan and knowing that WHITNER will be shadowing Knicks and Cruz makes me VERY happy. He is a straight bum lol 

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Matthews has RUN responsibility first, then TE's before rushing the passer.

Whitner has been a blessing.  I'm not sure why it did not work out with Bills but I'm happy he is a Niner.

 

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Also, Eli is better on the Road (arguably) taking only 12 total sacks on the road. If the O-line can contain Matthews I don't see why they can't contain Smith... although Willis is a damn monster. I'm a bills fan and knowing that WHITNER will be shadowing Knicks and Cruz makes me VERY happy. He is a straight bum lol 

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Matthews has RUN responsibility first, then TE's before rushing the passer.

Whitner has been a blessing.  I'm not sure why it did not work out with Bills but I'm happy he is a Niner.

 

 
 
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Yeh... Wanna know who is unstoppable? The forty fuckin niners... Maybe you missed when Pierre Thomas got knocked the fuck out.  Smash mouth football

try putting that box hit on jacobs.  he'll run all over them.

giants by 2 td's.  book it.
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Yeh... Wanna know who is unstoppable? The forty fuckin niners... Maybe you missed when Pierre Thomas got knocked the fuck out.  Smash mouth football

try putting that box hit on jacobs.  he'll run all over them.

giants by 2 td's.  book it.
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