MJ: Fair point about Cincy. They were very solid before Hall got hurt. I will point out that while the Niners won, they also only scored 13 points. Meanwhile, the Giants offense is miles better than the Bengals'. I talked about Pitt. Cleveland is barely average and not applicable to this conversation. Seattle was decent, but they relied on big plays to be even that. Without them, they were worse than average.
And as to the previous Giants game, the Giants were pretty banged up that game, and still played 3 quarters without allowing a TD. And they only allowed TDs on drives of 50 and 17 yards.
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MJ: Fair point about Cincy. They were very solid before Hall got hurt. I will point out that while the Niners won, they also only scored 13 points. Meanwhile, the Giants offense is miles better than the Bengals'. I talked about Pitt. Cleveland is barely average and not applicable to this conversation. Seattle was decent, but they relied on big plays to be even that. Without them, they were worse than average.
And as to the previous Giants game, the Giants were pretty banged up that game, and still played 3 quarters without allowing a TD. And they only allowed TDs on drives of 50 and 17 yards.
The Giants certainly have been impressive over their last 4 games but
the Saints were riding a 9 game straight up and spread winning streak
coming into San Francisco last week and most often the teams that are
considered to be the “hot” teams are the worst bets you can make in the
playoffs. The Giants’ 37-20 victory at Green Bay last week was
impressive but any good team that could manage to be positive in
turnovers against the Packers would be expected to win given that the
Pack were out-gained for the season and lived on turnovers. San
Francisco could also easily lose this game if they’re negative in
turnovers but that’s not likely to be the case and the Giants are in a
very negative technical spot in this game.
Teams that scored 35 points or more in the divisional round of the
playoffs are just 1-10 ATS on the road in the conference championship
game and teams that won despite allowing 19 points or more are just 2-17
ATS on the road in the championship game when not getting more than 9
points. The Niners, meanwhile, apply to a 37-8 ATS playoff situation and
a 54-18-3 ATS playoff situation that combine to go 14-2 ATS when both
apply to the same game (2-0 ATS in the conference championship). San
Francisco also applies to a 13-0 ATS conference championship game angle
and the Niners are 8-0-1 ATS at home this season with the spread push
being a 3 point overtime loss as a 3 point dog (so they covered in that
game in regulation). With the technical analysis that strong I’m just
looking for the line to be fair and in this case it is.
As I mentioned last week, the Niners’ offense is much better with Adam
Snyder starting at right guard than it was in the 4 games that he didn’t
start (weeks 1 through 3 and week 12) and San Francisco averaged 6.1
yards per play last week against the Saints, so they’re certainly
capable of moving the ball when they need to. I rate San Francisco as
average offensively from a yards per play perspective but they’re
actually better than average because they run a system that protects the
ball (Alex Smith threw only 5 interceptions all season and they have
just 1 game in which they committed more than 1 turnover). The Giants’
defense is only 0.1 yards per play better than average for the season
but they are clearly better than that now. I decided to use only the 8
games in which all of their defensive linemen were healthy, as they are
now, and New York is 0.5 yppl better than average in those 8 games. My
math model projects 325 yards at 5.0 yppl for the 49ers in this game.
The Giants’ offense is very good, averaging 6.2 yppl against teams that
would combine to allow 5.6 yppl to an average attack, but San
Francisco’s defense is 0.5 yppl better than average for the season and
that unit did a good job of limiting the Saints to just 5.85 yppl in
last week’s win (an average defense would allow 6.5 yppl at home to the
Saints). My math model projects 341 yards at 5.6 yppl for the Giants in
this game.
New York is clearly better from a yards per play perspective, but the
Niners have superior special teams (2 points better than the Giants) and
my math model projects a 0.9 turnover advantage for the Niners in this
game. That’s much less than their +1.9 average turnover margin but
overall the math favors San Francisco by 3 points based on the projected
statistics and special teams. A compensated points model would favor
San Francisco by 6 ½ points at home without any adjustments, but
adjustments need to be made for the difference in actual turnover
margins of the two teams (+1.33 in favor of SF) from the projected
turnover margin of +0.9 and I also have dock San Francisco for the fact
that special teams performance tends to regress towards the mean (they
still have a 2 point edge, but that’s less than the difference in season
special teams ratings for these two teams). The adjusted points model
favors the Niners by 2 ½ points, so the fair line is between 2 ½ and 3
points and that’s where the line is. With the technical analysis so
strongly in favor of the Niners,
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interesting read:
The Giants certainly have been impressive over their last 4 games but
the Saints were riding a 9 game straight up and spread winning streak
coming into San Francisco last week and most often the teams that are
considered to be the “hot” teams are the worst bets you can make in the
playoffs. The Giants’ 37-20 victory at Green Bay last week was
impressive but any good team that could manage to be positive in
turnovers against the Packers would be expected to win given that the
Pack were out-gained for the season and lived on turnovers. San
Francisco could also easily lose this game if they’re negative in
turnovers but that’s not likely to be the case and the Giants are in a
very negative technical spot in this game.
Teams that scored 35 points or more in the divisional round of the
playoffs are just 1-10 ATS on the road in the conference championship
game and teams that won despite allowing 19 points or more are just 2-17
ATS on the road in the championship game when not getting more than 9
points. The Niners, meanwhile, apply to a 37-8 ATS playoff situation and
a 54-18-3 ATS playoff situation that combine to go 14-2 ATS when both
apply to the same game (2-0 ATS in the conference championship). San
Francisco also applies to a 13-0 ATS conference championship game angle
and the Niners are 8-0-1 ATS at home this season with the spread push
being a 3 point overtime loss as a 3 point dog (so they covered in that
game in regulation). With the technical analysis that strong I’m just
looking for the line to be fair and in this case it is.
As I mentioned last week, the Niners’ offense is much better with Adam
Snyder starting at right guard than it was in the 4 games that he didn’t
start (weeks 1 through 3 and week 12) and San Francisco averaged 6.1
yards per play last week against the Saints, so they’re certainly
capable of moving the ball when they need to. I rate San Francisco as
average offensively from a yards per play perspective but they’re
actually better than average because they run a system that protects the
ball (Alex Smith threw only 5 interceptions all season and they have
just 1 game in which they committed more than 1 turnover). The Giants’
defense is only 0.1 yards per play better than average for the season
but they are clearly better than that now. I decided to use only the 8
games in which all of their defensive linemen were healthy, as they are
now, and New York is 0.5 yppl better than average in those 8 games. My
math model projects 325 yards at 5.0 yppl for the 49ers in this game.
The Giants’ offense is very good, averaging 6.2 yppl against teams that
would combine to allow 5.6 yppl to an average attack, but San
Francisco’s defense is 0.5 yppl better than average for the season and
that unit did a good job of limiting the Saints to just 5.85 yppl in
last week’s win (an average defense would allow 6.5 yppl at home to the
Saints). My math model projects 341 yards at 5.6 yppl for the Giants in
this game.
New York is clearly better from a yards per play perspective, but the
Niners have superior special teams (2 points better than the Giants) and
my math model projects a 0.9 turnover advantage for the Niners in this
game. That’s much less than their +1.9 average turnover margin but
overall the math favors San Francisco by 3 points based on the projected
statistics and special teams. A compensated points model would favor
San Francisco by 6 ½ points at home without any adjustments, but
adjustments need to be made for the difference in actual turnover
margins of the two teams (+1.33 in favor of SF) from the projected
turnover margin of +0.9 and I also have dock San Francisco for the fact
that special teams performance tends to regress towards the mean (they
still have a 2 point edge, but that’s less than the difference in season
special teams ratings for these two teams). The adjusted points model
favors the Niners by 2 ½ points, so the fair line is between 2 ½ and 3
points and that’s where the line is. With the technical analysis so
strongly in favor of the Niners,
The 49ers showed a lot of heart in their game versus the Saints. Known for their defense, they were still able to bounce back and answer 2 huge Saints TDs to win one of the best games I have seen in awhile. The biggest thing this game did was give Alex Smith all of the confidence in the world. He ran the go ahead TD in and then threw a great pass to answer the Saints last TD which would have knocked out most teams. I look for Smith to come out with confidence again this week.
The Giants beat the Packers in Lambeau which is a huge feat. Something about the Packers just seemed off. Tons of drops and very little emotion. Eli Manning looked great and I feel like he was seeing his receivers well. The reemergence of Hakeem Nicks has definitely boosted Eli the past two weeks.
Both wins were obviously impressive, but I think the 49ers game takes the cake. The Packers seemed to quit after awhile but the Saints battled back and the 49ers made huge plays to win a close one.
The weather in San Fran looks to make this a muddy game which I think favors the 49ers if the Giants WRs can't make their cuts. Given that the SF stadium is below sea level there is no chance of it drying even if the storm clears before Sunday. If the Giants struggle to get open and are forced to run then the 49ers win by double digits.
System says: 49ers 28/29 - Giants 22/20
If the weather report remains how it is...49ers -2.5 should be a very comfortable play.
Smitty, excellent effort and analysis
but, if gambling 101 gives 3 points to the home team then the favorite in this game is actually the GIANTS. Also, a muddy field favors receivers as they know where their going and the defense is actually who reacts/cuts/etc. If the Giants run go routes and get Bradshaw out of the backfield (considering the field is muddy as hell that is) it could be huge for the Giants.
Also, that game last week against the Saints was freakin amazing. If they have the energy to put forth that same effort their winning the freakin super bowl.
This game is going to rock...I think the difference is the kicking game...Lawrence Tynes will miss crucial attempts and it may cause coughlin to have to go for 4th down plays any coach would not normally do, lending favor to the Niners.
Perfect game for a teaser Niners +4 Under 48.5...GL
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Quote Originally Posted by cam2smitty:
49ers/Giants:
This game is a little less complicated.
The 49ers showed a lot of heart in their game versus the Saints. Known for their defense, they were still able to bounce back and answer 2 huge Saints TDs to win one of the best games I have seen in awhile. The biggest thing this game did was give Alex Smith all of the confidence in the world. He ran the go ahead TD in and then threw a great pass to answer the Saints last TD which would have knocked out most teams. I look for Smith to come out with confidence again this week.
The Giants beat the Packers in Lambeau which is a huge feat. Something about the Packers just seemed off. Tons of drops and very little emotion. Eli Manning looked great and I feel like he was seeing his receivers well. The reemergence of Hakeem Nicks has definitely boosted Eli the past two weeks.
Both wins were obviously impressive, but I think the 49ers game takes the cake. The Packers seemed to quit after awhile but the Saints battled back and the 49ers made huge plays to win a close one.
The weather in San Fran looks to make this a muddy game which I think favors the 49ers if the Giants WRs can't make their cuts. Given that the SF stadium is below sea level there is no chance of it drying even if the storm clears before Sunday. If the Giants struggle to get open and are forced to run then the 49ers win by double digits.
System says: 49ers 28/29 - Giants 22/20
If the weather report remains how it is...49ers -2.5 should be a very comfortable play.
Smitty, excellent effort and analysis
but, if gambling 101 gives 3 points to the home team then the favorite in this game is actually the GIANTS. Also, a muddy field favors receivers as they know where their going and the defense is actually who reacts/cuts/etc. If the Giants run go routes and get Bradshaw out of the backfield (considering the field is muddy as hell that is) it could be huge for the Giants.
Also, that game last week against the Saints was freakin amazing. If they have the energy to put forth that same effort their winning the freakin super bowl.
This game is going to rock...I think the difference is the kicking game...Lawrence Tynes will miss crucial attempts and it may cause coughlin to have to go for 4th down plays any coach would not normally do, lending favor to the Niners.
Perfect game for a teaser Niners +4 Under 48.5...GL
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