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    begginerboy
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:27 AM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    @StayHumbl Yeah, the narcissist isn't the one giving unwanted advice to someone who is actually way more successful at what the advice giver is giving advice in. Sincerely, Not the narcissist here

    an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    @StayHumbl Yeah, the narcissist isn't the one giving unwanted advice to someone who is actually way more successful at what the advice giver is giving advice in. Sincerely, Not the narcissist here

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:30 AM ET #102

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    Thanks Vanzack for sharing your plays with us, don't let the negativity from some get to you, you have proven yourself to be a winner for many years, keep grinding, and best of luck for the remainder of this season, Happy Holidays.cool

    OO7CRUSHER.

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    @vanzack

    Thanks Vanzack for sharing your plays with us, don't let the negativity from some get to you, you have proven yourself to be a winner for many years, keep grinding, and best of luck for the remainder of this season, Happy Holidays.cool

    OO7CRUSHER.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:33 AM ET #103

    @OO7CRUSHER

    Thanks. It's all in good fun.

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    @OO7CRUSHER

    Thanks. It's all in good fun.

    peace_5

     
    begginerboy
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:38 AM ET #104

    @vanzack

     Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks. 


    peace_5

     

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    @vanzack

     Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks. 


    peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:39 AM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    And BTW.... Try to find anyone talking about BTC when it was $13. Yes thirteen dollars. If I literally went 0-500 giving out picks, I gave out BTC at $13 and that gives me a lifetime pass to dunk on losers like you who couldn't break a grape in a fruit fight.

    I must ask, why are you even here? like logging into this degenerate gambling forum? assuming you held your $13 Bitcoins, you’re in far better shape than most of the world. 

    What keeps you coming back here and posting picks? Doesn’t add up. This place is a cesspool. Is capping NFL more of a hobby and challenge you enjoy? seems like it.  Great trade btw. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    And BTW.... Try to find anyone talking about BTC when it was $13. Yes thirteen dollars. If I literally went 0-500 giving out picks, I gave out BTC at $13 and that gives me a lifetime pass to dunk on losers like you who couldn't break a grape in a fruit fight.

    I must ask, why are you even here? like logging into this degenerate gambling forum? assuming you held your $13 Bitcoins, you’re in far better shape than most of the world. 

    What keeps you coming back here and posting picks? Doesn’t add up. This place is a cesspool. Is capping NFL more of a hobby and challenge you enjoy? seems like it.  Great trade btw. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:40 AM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks.


    He literally just told you. BTC

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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks.


    He literally just told you. BTC

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:52 AM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks.

    Everyone has a different definition of safe. Truly safe by modern definition is the 4% FDIC high interest savings account that you are in.

    But if your time horizon is more than say at least five years, there has never been a historic five year period in the S&P to lose money. It averages about 12% per year. 

    I'm not a financial advisor, and this is not financial advice, but you might want to look in to an index fund with low or no MGMT fees.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks.

    Everyone has a different definition of safe. Truly safe by modern definition is the 4% FDIC high interest savings account that you are in.

    But if your time horizon is more than say at least five years, there has never been a historic five year period in the S&P to lose money. It averages about 12% per year. 

    I'm not a financial advisor, and this is not financial advice, but you might want to look in to an index fund with low or no MGMT fees.

    peace_5

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:53 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by FSerpico:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: And BTW.... Try to find anyone talking about BTC when it was $13. Yes thirteen dollars. If I literally went 0-500 giving out picks, I gave out BTC at $13 and that gives me a lifetime pass to dunk on losers like you who couldn't break a grape in a fruit fight. I must ask, why are you even here? like logging into this degenerate gambling forum? assuming you held your $13 Bitcoins, you’re in far better shape than most of the world. What keeps you coming back here and posting picks? Doesn’t add up. This place is a cesspool. Is capping NFL more of a hobby and challenge you enjoy? seems like it.  Great trade btw.

    I am here because I like it, and want to be here. Pretty simple.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSerpico:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: And BTW.... Try to find anyone talking about BTC when it was $13. Yes thirteen dollars. If I literally went 0-500 giving out picks, I gave out BTC at $13 and that gives me a lifetime pass to dunk on losers like you who couldn't break a grape in a fruit fight. I must ask, why are you even here? like logging into this degenerate gambling forum? assuming you held your $13 Bitcoins, you’re in far better shape than most of the world. What keeps you coming back here and posting picks? Doesn’t add up. This place is a cesspool. Is capping NFL more of a hobby and challenge you enjoy? seems like it.  Great trade btw.

    I am here because I like it, and want to be here. Pretty simple.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 2:28 AM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks. Everyone has a different definition of safe. Truly safe by modern definition is the 4% FDIC high interest savings account that you are in. But if your time horizon is more than say at least five years, there has never been a historic five year period in the S&P to lose money. It averages about 12% per year.  I'm not a financial advisor, and this is not financial advice, but you might want to look in to an index fund with low or no MGMT fees.

    Thanks. Much appreciated. I’ll look into it. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: @vanzack  Serious question, at least as it relates to me and my family. I have about $110,000 in savings collecting 4% to 5% interest. I am, by nature, a risk averse person (gambling is just a hobby:), but I feel that this money is just going to be eaten up by inflation. What is a relatively safe investment option where I can I can get more than 4-5%? Thanks. Everyone has a different definition of safe. Truly safe by modern definition is the 4% FDIC high interest savings account that you are in. But if your time horizon is more than say at least five years, there has never been a historic five year period in the S&P to lose money. It averages about 12% per year.  I'm not a financial advisor, and this is not financial advice, but you might want to look in to an index fund with low or no MGMT fees.

    Thanks. Much appreciated. I’ll look into it. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:24 PM ET #110

    i have deep respect, Van. I've been following your stuff for quite a while, and you've help me change the way I look at games. I do have a question, though, and again I ask respectfully. When it became clear that this season was going in a very different direction than most seasons (ie the books were getting killed by grandma's parlays), was there a chance for you to pivot and go with the market for a while?

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    i have deep respect, Van. I've been following your stuff for quite a while, and you've help me change the way I look at games. I do have a question, though, and again I ask respectfully. When it became clear that this season was going in a very different direction than most seasons (ie the books were getting killed by grandma's parlays), was there a chance for you to pivot and go with the market for a while?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 1:48 PM ET #111

    That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man. 

    I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin

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    That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man. 

    I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 2:04 PM ET #112

    i tailed at +6 lol that extra point was nicce 

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    i tailed at +6 lol that extra point was nicce 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 2:45 PM ET #113

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    i have deep respect, Van. I've been following your stuff for quite a while, and you've help me change the way I look at games. I do have a question, though, and again I ask respectfully. When it became clear that this season was going in a very different direction than most seasons (ie the books were getting killed by grandma's parlays), was there a chance for you to pivot and go with the market for a while?

    Great question.

    I clearly have zigged when I should have zagged, and zagged when I should have zigged.  But telling the future is tough business, and one of the most difficult tasks is separating out trends with causation from variance.  I always talk about correlation with or without causation - and this is just another example.  Are we seeing favs win and cover because this is the new NFL, or is it just a blip?

    I dont know the answer, I have not been good this season at identifying the answer - but to be fair it is an answer that really only comes with time.

    The best answer might be to stop altogether - which I have done a form of by greatly reducing unit sizes - but obviously in retrospect would have been better to shut it down completely.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    i have deep respect, Van. I've been following your stuff for quite a while, and you've help me change the way I look at games. I do have a question, though, and again I ask respectfully. When it became clear that this season was going in a very different direction than most seasons (ie the books were getting killed by grandma's parlays), was there a chance for you to pivot and go with the market for a while?

    Great question.

    I clearly have zigged when I should have zagged, and zagged when I should have zigged.  But telling the future is tough business, and one of the most difficult tasks is separating out trends with causation from variance.  I always talk about correlation with or without causation - and this is just another example.  Are we seeing favs win and cover because this is the new NFL, or is it just a blip?

    I dont know the answer, I have not been good this season at identifying the answer - but to be fair it is an answer that really only comes with time.

    The best answer might be to stop altogether - which I have done a form of by greatly reducing unit sizes - but obviously in retrospect would have been better to shut it down completely.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 2:47 PM ET #114

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanasaur:

    That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man.  I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin

    It is not too late!  I realize you will be buying at 100k instead of 10 bucks - but there are fundamental reasons why it will continue to go up.  

    I wasnt kidding when I said that it is disingenuous for me to advise anyone to sports bet when they can just buy BTC.  It is advice I wish I took myself this NFL season.  I would have doubled my bankroll instead of losing.

    peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yanasaur:

    That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man.  I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin

    It is not too late!  I realize you will be buying at 100k instead of 10 bucks - but there are fundamental reasons why it will continue to go up.  

    I wasnt kidding when I said that it is disingenuous for me to advise anyone to sports bet when they can just buy BTC.  It is advice I wish I took myself this NFL season.  I would have doubled my bankroll instead of losing.

    peace_5

     

     
    Scottyy411
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 2:55 PM ET #115

    Keep taking the dogs , road favs will not continue at this pace. The worst thing to do is flip flop. As a crypto player you should warn people after this rally hopefully 2 years you will get a massive 70% pullback if you’re long no worries but this is common in btc. We may see 500k before this who knows

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    Keep taking the dogs , road favs will not continue at this pace. The worst thing to do is flip flop. As a crypto player you should warn people after this rally hopefully 2 years you will get a massive 70% pullback if you’re long no worries but this is common in btc. We may see 500k before this who knows

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 3:51 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottyy411:

    Keep taking the dogs , road favs will not continue at this pace. The worst thing to do is flip flop. As a crypto player you should warn people after this rally hopefully 2 years you will get a massive 70% pullback if you’re long no worries but this is common in btc. We may see 500k before this who knows

    I am not a crypto player, I am a BTC hodler.

    I do not think the 4 year cycle will repeat this time around.  I think we are in new territory with business and nation state interest.  The dominoes will quickly fall in the new year - and it could skyrocket with no pullback.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottyy411:

    Keep taking the dogs , road favs will not continue at this pace. The worst thing to do is flip flop. As a crypto player you should warn people after this rally hopefully 2 years you will get a massive 70% pullback if you’re long no worries but this is common in btc. We may see 500k before this who knows

    I am not a crypto player, I am a BTC hodler.

    I do not think the 4 year cycle will repeat this time around.  I think we are in new territory with business and nation state interest.  The dominoes will quickly fall in the new year - and it could skyrocket with no pullback.

    peace_5

     
    Yanasaur
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 7:10 PM ET #117

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanasaur: That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man.  I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin It is not too late!  I realize you will be buying at 100k instead of 10 bucks - but there are fundamental reasons why it will continue to go up.   I wasnt kidding when I said that it is disingenuous for me to advise anyone to sports bet when they can just buy BTC.  It is advice I wish I took myself this NFL season.  I would have doubled my bankroll instead of losing.

    The governmental interest in owning BTC will continue to keep it moving up most likely. I play options and I'm not happy I missed the huge move in Tesla. So obvious now with Musks governmental involvement

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanasaur: That was quite a moose to not cover 5.5 last night. Rough one man.  I actually owned 10 bitcoin at around $10 a piece many years ago. I read an article about it in an online magazine and thought it sounded cool. I wish i had forgot about it, but my brain remembered when i needed drug money a couple years later. Ah what could have been. Congrats on your investment and holding all this time. Even if I had kept it a lot longer I dont see any scenario where i kept holding any longer than $10k/coin It is not too late!  I realize you will be buying at 100k instead of 10 bucks - but there are fundamental reasons why it will continue to go up.   I wasnt kidding when I said that it is disingenuous for me to advise anyone to sports bet when they can just buy BTC.  It is advice I wish I took myself this NFL season.  I would have doubled my bankroll instead of losing.

    The governmental interest in owning BTC will continue to keep it moving up most likely. I play options and I'm not happy I missed the huge move in Tesla. So obvious now with Musks governmental involvement

     
    Crusher13
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 7:36 PM ET #118

    @Yanasaur

     Extremely Evil older brother resents my hobbies Has Profited over 300k on the aforementioned Stock since Friday enabling him to interject himself into my Life that HE knows better for me..paint_help

    I just want to be left alone AND enjoy my Life and extremely small circle I've created for myself..cool

    GL OP ..only have my Broncos OVER 9' WIN wager AND, more importantly, Team Sack Crown up 4 over Texans..an_cheers

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    @Yanasaur

     Extremely Evil older brother resents my hobbies Has Profited over 300k on the aforementioned Stock since Friday enabling him to interject himself into my Life that HE knows better for me..paint_help

    I just want to be left alone AND enjoy my Life and extremely small circle I've created for myself..cool

    GL OP ..only have my Broncos OVER 9' WIN wager AND, more importantly, Team Sack Crown up 4 over Texans..an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 9:33 PM ET #119

    @vanzack

     Are we seeing favs win and cover because this is the new NFL, or is it just a blip? ... This may or may not be the new NFL but favs winning and covering is not the right question to ask, imo.

     But telling the future is tough business, and one of the most difficult tasks is separating out trends with causation from variance.  I always talk about correlation with or without causation - and this is just another example. ... (#1) Is there a correlation with causation regarding pressure rates, sack rates, and hurry rates and picking the winner ATS? (#2) If the answer is yes, then the next question is ... can you still identify the team that should win the pressure rate battle? (#3) If the answer is yes, is the team that wins that pressure rate battle covering the spread? Obviously, if you answer no to question #3 then there's no correlation with causation regarding your highly regarded predictor (pressure rates, sack rates, and hurry rates) and winning result/picking team ATS.   

    I don't know all the important metrics that go into your process or predictor model but why not revisit the big ones first, make sure they're rock solid.  No need to wait for father time to give you the answer 3 years from now after you've been bludgeoned another 120 units.  I applaud you for reducing your units but maybe you can consider reducing even more for the time being until you get this little situation sorted out.  I recommend having some skin in the game instead of shutting it down.  I equate this to paper trading stocks ... it has its limitations ... you don't truly learn how to trade until you have money on the line.  You'll never learn from your mistakes until you make them with your hard-earned dollars.  Same concept here.  I wish you the best, I hope I don't sound like some know it all prick, just hoping you turn it around.  Good luck.

     

     

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    @vanzack

     Are we seeing favs win and cover because this is the new NFL, or is it just a blip? ... This may or may not be the new NFL but favs winning and covering is not the right question to ask, imo.

     But telling the future is tough business, and one of the most difficult tasks is separating out trends with causation from variance.  I always talk about correlation with or without causation - and this is just another example. ... (#1) Is there a correlation with causation regarding pressure rates, sack rates, and hurry rates and picking the winner ATS? (#2) If the answer is yes, then the next question is ... can you still identify the team that should win the pressure rate battle? (#3) If the answer is yes, is the team that wins that pressure rate battle covering the spread? Obviously, if you answer no to question #3 then there's no correlation with causation regarding your highly regarded predictor (pressure rates, sack rates, and hurry rates) and winning result/picking team ATS.   

    I don't know all the important metrics that go into your process or predictor model but why not revisit the big ones first, make sure they're rock solid.  No need to wait for father time to give you the answer 3 years from now after you've been bludgeoned another 120 units.  I applaud you for reducing your units but maybe you can consider reducing even more for the time being until you get this little situation sorted out.  I recommend having some skin in the game instead of shutting it down.  I equate this to paper trading stocks ... it has its limitations ... you don't truly learn how to trade until you have money on the line.  You'll never learn from your mistakes until you make them with your hard-earned dollars.  Same concept here.  I wish you the best, I hope I don't sound like some know it all prick, just hoping you turn it around.  Good luck.

     

     

     
    Chetmee
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2024 - 10:49 PM ET #120

    The guys, just need a break, regroup...stop for a week or two. Stop taking teams with no QBs...Winston vs Mahomes? Com'on now...lol

    And what the hell is starting a thread with this cr@b...I am on an extended losing streak. Just consider me a free voice on the internet - SYMPATHY?

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    The guys, just need a break, regroup...stop for a week or two. Stop taking teams with no QBs...Winston vs Mahomes? Com'on now...lol

    And what the hell is starting a thread with this cr@b...I am on an extended losing streak. Just consider me a free voice on the internet - SYMPATHY?

     
     
    glyde69
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2024 - 10:10 AM ET #121

    It’s a wacky season, Van, you ain’t the only one struggling.   Chalk is covering almost 58% this year….its usually the opposite…..

    So strange year to say the least……

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    It’s a wacky season, Van, you ain’t the only one struggling.   Chalk is covering almost 58% this year….its usually the opposite…..

    So strange year to say the least……

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